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Tweek
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DOOP Secretary
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I haven't seen the programme but I never doubted the moon landings were real, had they been faked somebody involved would have talked in the last forty years.
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winna
Avatar Czar
DOOP Ubersecretary
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I think you're wrong if you're serious about us not having landed on the moon chay... just for the record....
The best argument that it was fake is your first sentence. The US government did have motive to do such a thing.... but I'm pretty sure they didn't really have the means to fake what being on the moon is actually like. Also, the discrepencies pointed out by conspiracy theorists can easily be explained in a reasonable manner for the debate that we did actually land on the moon.
The Bush thing was an example. As other people have stated, the government isn't very good at keeping secrets... especially ones of the magnitude that we faked landing on the moon... especially since most of those people are NASA... NASA is very leaky.
I don't mind getting your back though chay, and I think "because it's science!" isn't a very good argument most of the time. If you can't personally validate and understand the evidence on your own, how is that any better than taking somebody else's word for it? However, we can't evaluate every scientific study ever, so we take in what seems most reasonable to us... which is what evidence is for, to back up a reasonable argument/hypothesis.
Chay, your "that's too convenient" was actually a bad tactic, and espon called you out on it. Would the US government really pay Mythbusters money to prove we landed on the moon? In doing so, they would validate the fact that we didn't to several more people... which is how leaks get started in the first place. The US govt doesn't have a good reason to pay off a show to prove we actually landed on the moon anyways (other than to waste taxpayers money). They've got most of the population thinking we landed on the moon.... it's also not something that really matters anymore anyways, for all intensive purposes, the history books say we landed on the moon.... How many people were the Mythbusters supposed to convince? I haven't seen the episode in question, and I doubt everybody but me watches Mythbusters... and as I said earlier... people who believe we didn't land on the moon will probably always believe we didn't land on the moon... regardless if it's true or false.... and they're entitled to that. It's not like they're going to ruin the USA by pointing out what they believe to be discrepencies in the landing video... are they?
I'm just saying...
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Archonix
Space Pope
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« Reply #53 on: 08-28-2008 10:30 »
« Last Edit on: 08-28-2008 10:32 »
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Ralph Snart
Agent Provocateur
Near Death Star Inhabitant
DOOP Secretary
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I think mythbusters was paid by the US govt to do that episode and to make stuff up...
While we were watching it, I asked Kelly, "How much money do you think NASA gave Discovery and MythBusters to paint such a glowing picture?" Note: I believe we've been to the moon, but that episode was just way too slick.
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hobbitboy
Sir Rank-a-Lot
Urban Legend
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^ Joking < Posting v Quibbling it's also not something that really matters anymore anyways, for all intensive purposes, the history books say we landed on the moon...
Ah, but what about the not-so-intensive ones? Or were you refering to everyone who goes camping with Phocoenidae (i.e. "all in tents with porpoises")?
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~FazeShift~
Moderator
DOOP Ubersecretary
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you're clinging to your conspiricy like a drowning man clings to a peice of drift wood. Well, wouldn't you? Poor metaphor, also I agree with DogDoo, wtf cares now, not me. Just call me when they open Luna Park.
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Nixorbo
UberMod
DOOP Secretary
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And besides, everybody knows that the moon is made out of cheese. Blue cheese. I notice that the Mythbusters didn't address that with their precious science.
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winna
Avatar Czar
DOOP Ubersecretary
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Lol... it's alright, we all have our moments.
Also, after years of arguing with people.. I can say that a single point (or group of points) stated once (or even a couple of times), no matter how reasonable, will probably not change someone's mind.... dependant upon how entrenched they are in that particular idea. What you do get, however, is the chance to plant new seeds and ideas into a person's mind and let them cultivate it for themselves... Depending how such arguments go, you can also be more reassured in your belief because you're being forced to think about it from different angles.... or if you're the one that's wrong, you get the opportunity to change out the old belief for something better, since you're being forced to think about it.
You made a good point about why conspiracy theories are a problem. They detract from people's accomplishment, or they paint people in an unfair way, or they detract from the tragedies that befall someone's life.
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Anarchy_Balsac
Bending Unit
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Back on topic, I agree with what winna said about the show, it's not good science. They recall their myths sometimes, but their retestings often fuck it up just as bad. I've even seen the occasional copout(not testing stealth fighter paint on cars against radar guns for instance). The problem is the 2 guys running the show:
Jamie - Moderately intelligent, could possibly do well with more attention to detail, but he'd have to know more, a lot more, about science before that could be the case. Even then there's probably better choices.
Adam - Not intelligent, wannabe Johny Knoxville, immature, frequently impulsive during experiments, frequently impulsive while analyzing experiments. Once called using a lack of evidence being "scientific about it"
Neither of them are well versed in science, they're special effects guys. Using special effects guys to conduct scientific experiments is like using a cake baker to construct a building. Sure both the cake and the building have materials and a structure to them, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.
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Smarty
Professor
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Yeah, but that's what gets people watching it. It is the explosions and interesting experiments. If it was any more scientific it would be boring-y. I love science but I love how they come up with their experiments.
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SonicPanther
Professor
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Damn, way to suck the fun out of an entertaining show.
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Smarty
Professor
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I agree with winna. I love their personalities, and it makes the show great. And they do use science to explain it better, but not really to do the experiments well. As they said themselves, "We're not scientists," so you can't expect too much from them.
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