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CyberKnight
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« Reply #3 on: 02-13-2004 16:10 »
« Last Edit on: 02-13-2004 16:10 »
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I've recently watched the whole of SG-1 up to and including Avenger 2.0 (as well as both parts of "Heroes" ), and I've really enjoyed it. It's so refreshing to watch a sci-fi series that doesn't take itself too seriously. And I still enjoy it in Season 7 almost as much as Season 1. And I rewatched the film and found I enjoyed it much more (largely because I understood it better ). Quick question for Faze, who seems knowledgeable about the gate and the coordinate system; When the SGC dials an outgoing wormhole, they're essentially dialing the gate manually using electromagnets, right? However, as I understand it, each glyph is rotated until it falls under the uppermost chevron (the one that "locks" ) and the appropriate light lights up. What we also know is that a symbol cannot be repeated in a gate address. So my query is this; in a few episodes, the Earth symbol is shown locking but not as the final chevron. Is this just a production error? And let's not get into the fact that between "Nemesis" and "Redemption" the SGC is using the Antarctic gate, but the point of origin symbol is the "sun above pyramid". Although to be honest, they've been fairly consistent in how they deal with the gate system (or at the very least more consistent than Star Trek's science). I'm still slightly hazy on how they compensate for stellar drift, though.
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CyberKnight
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Originally posted by wu_konguk: Oh and Cyberknight. I believe they only have one gate made so it is used for all shots of the gate. I don't know if that helps at all. I know what the technical reason is, I'm just one of those annoying people who demands a "canon" explanation for any discrepancies. Apparently the gate in the SGC fully moves and rotates as in the show (the main difference being that when all 7 chevrons are locked, no wormhole is established. ). The one on Abydos is a static prop (in fact, I thought this was another continuity error that the Abydos gate doesn't rotate like the SGC one, but then I found out that the DHD has the capability to "fast-dial" the gate).
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~FazeShift~
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« Reply #8 on: 02-13-2004 19:21 »
« Last Edit on: 02-13-2004 19:21 »
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Originally posted by CyberKnight: What we also know is that a symbol cannot be repeated in a gate address. So my query is this; in a few episodes, the Earth symbol is shown locking but not as the final chevron. Is this just a production error? I never noticed, can you remember which episodes? I know there's one episode when the gate is used to travel to a different galaxy and 8 symbols are dialled, that's the only one I can think of that the Earth symbol wasn't locked last. Edit: Nope, it was locked last. Answer: Stupid error. And I read that the beta gate had a different point of origin, which would make sense if it's a lot older than the gate found in Giza (stellar drift). I like the way they poke fun at other sci-fi storylines like in the 100th episode: "If I'm 'out of phase' and can walk through walls, how come I don't fall through the floor?" A rule which they had already broken of course. Everybody, next time you watch, try to see how many Wizard of Oz references you can count, especially from O'Neill.
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CyberKnight
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Settle in, this could be a long one...... Ok, first, regarding the point of origin on the Beta gate: The beta gate is first seen in "Solitudes". We get a clear look at the point of origin symbol, which is a single sun with a pillar beside it (which, ironically, looks a lot like the Delphi symbol - proof that the gate-builders programmed in Pascal! ). We all know the Alpha gate's point-of-origin is the sun-above-pyramid. In "Nemesis", SG-1 beams the Alpha gate to the crashing Asgard ship to escape the replicators. It then crashes into the sea and is picked up by the Russians. As a replacement, the SGC operates using the Beta gate until Redemption, when that gate is destroyed by Anubis' gate-destroying-weapon.
This means that for the majority of Seasons 4 and 5 the SGC is operating using the Beta gate, so when dialling, the point-of-origin symbol should be the Beta gate's pillar-beside-sun, not the Alpha gate's sun-above-pyramid. However, the symbol is clearly shown to be the latter.
Now obviously, the producers didn't want to muck around with their prop, so the glyph wasn't replaced. The only thing I can think of is that the SGC sanded off the Beta glyph and replaced it with the Alpha glyph so the dialling computer would still work. This isn't ever contradicted, so that's probably how they'd explain it.
However, it doesn't explain the first episode of the second season (can't remember it's name), where Daniel dials from the Goa'uld ship using Earth as the point of origin (when that gate wouldn't have the Earth glyph on it).
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Col. Klink
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Originally posted by Stuart B: It still makes me cross that:
They killed off Doctor Fraiser in the latest ep! Dammit she was hot you fiends!!!! Yes despite that was in a spoiler. I feel I have to say. Thanks for spoiling it. She IS hot. I agree
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Tweek
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Nagrub, did you watch the film before the any of the TV series? If you had I doubt you'd have disliked it as much.
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~FazeShift~
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Yeah nagrub, the film came before the series, so you should think RDA isn't suited to the part of O'Neill. They dealt with the whole "O'Neill being suicidal" storyline in the 1st series (Cold Lazarus, episode 6). I actually couldn't tell it was a different Daniel Jackson earlier on in the series, Mickie Shanks is a great replacement, and I'm glad they got him back for the final few series. Yay! They're making a season 8! I thought they were gonna stop after 7!! w00t!
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CyberKnight
Urban Legend
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Tonight's episode: I rather liked this one. There seems to be less of SG-1 this year and more of the surrounding characters (it's become very noticeable that Anderson/O'Neill isn't around as much as he used to be). In a way, I think that SG-1 has already been reassigned from frontline duty (like Woolsey suggested) anyway. I think making Woolsey a different kind of NID character than Maybourne or Simmons is a good move as well. (By the way, TNG's "Chain of Command" was on earlier, and Ronny Cox plays an unpopular character in that episode as well! ). I know they tried to reduce the amount of clips in this clip-show (and were desperately trying not to make it too much like "Disclosure" ) but to be honest I think the show could have done without them altogether. The clips were really too short and random (and only used for every other quote (not that I'm complaining)) to be of any use. The politics-around-the-stargate episodes are probably my favourite (next to episodes dealing with the Stargate technology itself, like "Solitudes" or "Avenger 2.0" (Apparently the DHD is programmed in C, by the way )), but this one was clearly a setup for the last two episodes of the season. Nice to see a President who didn't jump to conclusions or let himself be manipulated (for once ). By the way, is it just me or was Thor's dialogue re-recorded from "Disclosure"?
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~FazeShift~
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I thought Woolsey (heh heh... Woolsey!) sounded like he was making the same points over and over to the president (well played by William Devane) I like that Kinsey's still trying to gain some control and power, very true to character. And Robert Picardo (Doc!) had a nice little change of heart at the end. Pity I hadn't seen those episodes with Anubis' super soldiers, they looked awesome! By re-recorded you mean: they did his voice again for that episode? I didn't notice, but maybe it was to make it sound better, and if I'm not mistaken, Micheal Shanks does Thor's voice anyway so it would have been easy.
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CyberKnight
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Yeah, that was pretty much my question - since Shanks wasn't around for the 6th Season (actually, it seems like he was there most of the time anyway in some shape or form! ) might Thor have been voiced by someone else in "Disclosure"? Or is my mind just playing audio tricks on me? (It wouldn't be the first time. )
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~FazeShift~
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The Tollan episode was on today, the one where they get attacked by ze Goa'uld and apparently wiped out (although I'd like to see if some of them survived). So, what are the poorest episodes guys? Personally, I hated Entity, where Carter gets taken over by an AI thingy, it just wasn't up to standard, like they just nicked it from another show. And that episode with the Alien spaceship race was sooo ripped off from Voyager! Booo!
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CyberKnight
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You mean "Space Race"? Yeah, that was rather obviously similar to "Drive". I'd also like to see whether any Tollan have survived the events of "Between Two Fires" (if only so the Tau'ri can say I told you so ). Despite the fact that it's an NID episode, "Shades of Grey" slightly annoys me. Firstly, it's very similar in plot to the mini-arc Voyager had in Season 2 which culminated in "Investigations" (Paris pretends to be bad, leaves the ship, really secret plan, blah blah blah), which I also didn't like (but that's because they were screwing with my favourite character). Here, it just feels out of place for Jack to be acting like that. Especially from the very start of the episode, which adds to the feeling of "Hang on, something else is going on here". We know that O'Neill thinks that Earth's allies (apart from the Asgard) are being one-sided in their alliances, but we also know that he'd never actively steal technology from them - he's too smart for that. So the episode is already on a very shaky foundation. Another think which Stargate suffers extensively from is the phenomenon known as YAATE (Yet Another Abrupt Trek Ending) - although I suppose it would be YAASE, here. Too often they cut to black before the team have even gone back through the gate, in my opinion. It's a minor quibble, but it's always nice to get some aftermath to the episode (admittedly, they're a heck of a lot better at following through with threads in subsequent episodes than Voyager ever was).
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~FazeShift~
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"Between Two Fires" also introduced Anubis, wooo! *waves pants* The 100th episode "Wormhole X-treme!" is gonna be shown on Tuesday (if Sky are showing Season 5 in order!) And I can't wait to see those cool Matix-style fighting bits again in "The Warrior" episode, being shown shortly.
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CyberKnight
Urban Legend
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Well, The Lost City (Part One) aired here tonight. Not bad, although I really hate having it broken up by the advert breaks. I think this is probably the longest single arc Stargate's ever done. From "Heroes, Part One" to the end of the second part of next season's opener it'll be a full seven episodes. Lots of back references in this one (Simpsons, "The Fifth Race", "A Matter of Time" ) and nice to see SG-1 as a unit again (something that I feel has been fleeting during Season 7). Sad to see Hammond being reassigned and the whole SGC being reformed, but it's a good story point. I just want to see next week's episode, now . By the way, anyone else seen SG : Atlantis' casting sheet? McKay's back!
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CyberKnight
Urban Legend
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The Lost City, Part 2: I want to be careful because I don't want to sound too negative, because I did enjoy the episode. However, I certainly think elements of it could have been done better, to add more urgency to the show. Anyway, The Good:- Teal'c's little scene with O'Neill. (Like in "Meridian" with Daniel, I found Christopher Judge's scene to be the most moving, possibly because Teal'c doesn't often express his emotions).
- The destruction of the fleet. :D
The OK But Could Have Been Better: (Now this is all IMHO, and as I say, I did enjoy the episode). - I thought Anubis' death was a little unconvincing. It would have been much more effective to have him stand there and just watch the destruction - plus it would have left him open for character resurrection later on.
- I still can't believe they've only got one BC-303. I just feel it might have been neater to have a whole fleet engaging Anubis (and getting whomped, mind you ;)) to add to the sense of desperation.
- For that matter, it would have helped to have the Go'auld attacking civilians as well, making themselves known. I can understand why they've held back with this in previous seasons (to try and minimise the difference between that universe and our own), but they've already taken the step of naming a Stargate president, so....
- The betrayal - I mean, who didn't see that coming a mile away?
- I think there should have been more super soldiers in the scene under the ice, again, to add to the sense of desperation and of SG-1 fighting a losing battle (also, it still seems to hold true that the accuracy of these guys is inversely proportional to the importance of the character they're shooting at).
The Best Parts: ;)- Kinsey "resigning". :D Of course, what I'd have like to have seen is the unstable vortex engulfing him before the iris is closed. ;)
- The President standing up to Anubis. I especially liked his re-use of the "Never going to happen" line.
- The scene where the F-302s engage the death gliders, on par with the scene in Independence Day where the F-16s start penetrating the enemy shields.
I wonder how many System Lords Anubis actually eliminated before himself being eliminated - will Season 8 largely be a Tau'ri-bound struggle (between Kinsey and the SGC)? Obviously, there's still the question of Jack's future in the balance, as well as where the heck the Asgard have gone to. And of course, there's the Lost City to find (still!) - but I wonder how much of that will occur in the SG-1 Season Eight premiere and how much in the SG-A premiere. I think I've come off sounding a little negative in this review, though, but I definitely enjoyed the episode. It's solid, but it doesn't (yet, often these things will grow on me) rank with "Window of Opportunity" or "There But For The Grace of God" for me.
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~FazeShift~
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I think that's the biggest spoiler I've ever seen, treat yourself to a cookie! Anyhooo... That Ancient super weapon was awesome, I like the way it looked like a hand grabbing Anubis' Uber-mothership and just punching holes in it like wet tissue paper! The Prometheus survived, huzzah!
CK: let's not forget Anubis is half ascended, so he could have survived anyway!
And yes, that betraying Jaffa was kinda obvious, especially with a name like Ronin, or whatever it was!! But Bra'tac whomped his ass! Great episode!
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Nasty Pasty
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*BIG Bump*
Was wondering if anyone saw that great Season Premier of SG1 last nite on SciFi. It was a great episode and a great opener to Season 8.
And just a reminder: Next week on Friday nite, the new series, StarGate: Atlantis debuts on SciFi.
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Nasty Pasty
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the new enemy is called the Wraiths. They are actually the ones that destroyed the Ancients. They do look pretty frickin weird though. I dunno if they can take the place of the Goa'uld but I'm keeping an open mind.
I think this new series could be very good if we give it some time and wait ofr it to develop. Spinoff shows need time to flourish in the shadow of their huge predecessors (i.e. StarTrek: TNG and DS9).
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Nasty Pasty
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well... from what I've heard, Hammond will be appearing every once in a while on the show but he will be taking A MUCH more backseat role on the show with O'Neil in charge of the SGC.
For that matter, Richard Dean Anderson who plays O'Neil will also be seen alot less due to outside activities and he might not even appear in some episodes. He will be accompanying SG-1 on some missions but not on the majority of them (i wonder who fills in the gap in the group this time...)
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CyberKnight
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Originally posted by bankrupt: On the new season of SG-1, did they just boot the guy who played General Hammond off the show? I know they said he got transfered, but I wonder if he will be on again. I liked his character, I hope they didn't just totally get rid of him. Don S. Davis (the actor who plays Hammond) independently decided that he didn't want to do another year of SG-1, not for any problems, but simply wanting to move on. Hammond is however scheduled to reappear, as Pasty said - at least one episode in Season 8. Personally, I'm glad they didn't kill him off. I think it's not too much of a stretch for him to be transferred to a related project to the Stargate (even if I really don't like the design of the Prometheus )
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Nasty Pasty
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*bump* I just saw the 1st episode of the new Stargate TV show, Atlantis. And i think it was great. It has a very interesting plot and this series has ALOT of potential. The new villains look freaky as hell, and could be as bad as the Goa'uld. The new set is breathtaking as are the special effects. Can't wait til next week.
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