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ZombieJesus
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"It's alive." "Let's kill it and get out of here."
"We're in a dangerous situation. Let me just pull this unhandy communication device from under my sweater, open it and" ZAP! *silence*
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ZombieJesus
Lost Belgian
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Wesley Crusher and Will Riker are warcrimes.
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Nixorbo
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Enterprise.
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ZombieJesus
Lost Belgian
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Where's Spiff?
I think Janeway would have made an excellent second choice for Doctor Quinn, Medicine Woman. I can picture her in such a role. But why did they have to make her a starship captain?
I also hated the kitchen rat called Neelix, and cow turd head, Torres.
T'Pal from ENT couldn't act her way out of a wet paper bag.
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Smitty
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Brannon Braga Presents: The Seven of Nine Show
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Lurrr
Professor
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Good in the way that they decided to forget everything that made Star Trek a cult sci-fi programme and turn it into a blast-fest. Oh, and the begining of the end for the borg.
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Coop
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Originally posted by Nixorbo: Enterprise. My god, I agree. I hate this show.
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CyberKnight
Urban Legend
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Originally posted by Teral: Hmm, maybe a DS9 movie is exactly what the franchise needs. Send Picard and co on retirement and bring Garak, Bashir, O'brien and the rest of the Terok Nor missfits onto the silver screen. But didn't the writers technically commit movie suicide? Because DS9 (admirably) had such a convoluted plot with a lot of recurring characters, it would be difficult to produce a DS9 movie which would do credit to all said characters? Or maybe not. What the franchise needs now is rest, and maybe for people who are actually fans of the franchise to be the ones helping to write and produce the show (it's not as if there's a total lack of them ). The almost continuous run of TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT has saturated the fans and diluted the material. It's noticeable that Voyager and Enterprise, while having some good episodes (be quiet, there in the back ) have a considerably higher filler/decent ep ratio than TNG and DS9. So, to answer the question, I would say the worst thing done in Trek was to have almost 15 years of non-stop series (note this also applies to The Simpsons).
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Grim
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Enterprise is a pretty big injustice, that and DS9 (quiet Teral! I dont wanna hear it!)
I think instead of enterprise they should have done a series based on the Enterprise B or C
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Teral
Helpy McHelphelp
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Well, you're gonna. Nah, it's late, I'll postpone the ranting 'till tomorrow. Originally posted by CyberKnight: But didn't the writers technically commit movie suicide? Because DS9 (admirably) had such a convoluted plot with a lot of recurring characters, it would be difficult to produce a DS9 movie which would do credit to all said characters? Probably. It would involve a lot of introductions and explanations for the casual audience, put the setting is rife for good stories. What will happene with Cardassia, the Klingons, the Breen, the Dominion, etc. Add to that a completely gutted Starfleet, a freeroaming Section 31 and probably widespread dissent among the Federation population that boneheaded Starfleet admirals dragged the Federation into such a terrible conflict. It would be cool to watch, but I guess you're right. The fans are overfed and the rescent blunders by the feature films will mean no DS9 movie this side of 2010 or something. And that, right there, is the biggest injustice of them all.
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CyberKnight
Urban Legend
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« Reply #23 on: 08-23-2003 20:18 »
« Last Edit on: 08-23-2003 20:18 »
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The problem, as I see it, with a DS9 movie (or a VOY movie, for that matter), is that neither has a large enough audience to support a movie. TNG pretty much picked up a proportion of the original series' audience, plus a new slew of fans when during the 80's/early 90's there was very little sci-fi on TV, so it survived the transition to the big screen (although not for very long - and First Contact (which I liked) was actually less a ST film and more an action movie).
DS9 has a lot of backstory, and the basic premise of Voyager ended (in an utter disaster) with "Endgame". To be honest, I think the franchise has written itself into a corner.
It strikes me, also, from what I've read of the DS9 plot, that it leaves a pretty grim and bleary picture at the end of it's run. Many ST fans who've complained about DS9 have (I've noticed) focused on this destruction of the "idyllic" Federation as one of their main reasons for disliking the show, and perhaps this might be another reason why a movie franchise based on the latter series would fail.
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Teral
Helpy McHelphelp
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« Reply #24 on: 08-23-2003 20:26 »
« Last Edit on: 08-23-2003 20:26 »
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Originally posted by CyberKnight: To be honest, I think the franchise has written itself into a corner.
What can you expect when let the Killer B's guard the honey pot? I know a lot of Voyager fans (online) who where angry about the way "Endgame" ended that show, and I'm not just talking about the cheating, lets-give-the-temporal-directive-the-finger, paradoxes-be-damned timetravel plot. Janeway: "We made it." roll creditsWhat no final minutes of reuniting the characters with their families, no touching farewell pans, letting the issue of Maquis members facing court martials/trials fly by, etc. I'm not a big fan of Voyager (don't look so surprised ), but that's just low! At least give the show a fitting farewell. Originally posted by CyberKnight: It strikes me, also, from what I've read of the DS9 plot, that it leaves a pretty grim and bleary picture at the end of it's run. Many ST fans who've complained about DS9 have (I've noticed) focused on this destruction of the "idyllic" Federation as one of their main reasons for disliking the show, and perhaps this might be another reason why a movie franchise based on the latter series would fail. Yeah, it's pretty much what seperates DS9 and the rest of the Trek shows. While TOS, TNG and VOY paint a picture of the perfect Federation that always does the right thing, never do underhanded tricks, have a utopian society, etc. DS9 say, wait a minute, hold on! That's not how reality is. TNG/VOY/TOS is black and white, it's us against them, the good guys against the evil aliens. DS9 is basically a collection of shades of grey. It show Starfleet officers conspiring to draw other people into war, covering up murder, alien societies to actually be vibrant and alive opposite the bland and boring UFP. On top of that, Starfleet (mostly through it's own stubborness) gets dragged into a war of attrition against an equal enemy, a war it might as well have lost. All in all it showed the weakness that still live inside the Federation, and for many ST fans (Roddenberry purists?) it was an insult to the perfect society Roddenberry had created. I think it strengtened the vision, by showing that for all it's weakness, for all it's corruption, the Federation was still made up of individual people who believed in and was willing to die for it's ideals. Uhh, yeah, after that little rant, back to the actual topic of this thread.
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Nixorbo
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Originally posted by starone: If you ask me the no contact kiss between Uhura and Kirk was the worst ever because it was a obvious show of racism plain and simple Wait, WHAT? Care to explain how a white man kissing a black woman was/is racist?
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Wonderbee31
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« Reply #29 on: 08-24-2003 08:38 »
« Last Edit on: 08-24-2003 08:38 »
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For Teral, I will accept that the last 4 seasons of DS9 was some good TV, not just Star Trek, but good overall. I do disagree that TOS started the perfect society. Characters on that show did disagree with one another, there was bigoty(Balance of Terror) and emotions were freely given and exchanged, with the exception of Mr. Spock. The thing about TOS, in my opinion, was the sense of fun, throughout the series, something that DS9 touched upon occasionally, while TNG, VOY, and ENT seem to be sorely lacking. Oh and while it would be a close fight between Sisko and Kirk, if they were in a 3 on 2 match against Picard, Janeway, and Archer, it'd be Kirk and Sisko doing the beatdown on those three losers. <Kirk and Sisko:The Eliminators>
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MuscaDomestica
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wow arguing which Star Trek captin can beat who up this is now a quantum singluarity of geekness right now.
and 20 quatlues on Sisko!
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Teral
Helpy McHelphelp
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Since Sisko was able to knock down an omnipotent being, my money go with him.
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Action Jacktion
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I guess I think DS9 is better than Voyager or Enterprise, but in the same way that being hit in the head with a baseball bat is better than being hit in the head with a sledgehammer.
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