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MuscaDomestica
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Neither both are good series that have had a bunch of much worse modern incarnations. Both have their weakness and strengths.
I don't like Trek that much but I see why people like it.
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Wonderbee31
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« Reply #2 on: 07-23-2003 13:42 »
« Last Edit on: 07-23-2003 13:42 »
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I am an older Trekkie,(growing up in the 60's and 70's, and have always enjoyed the original series and cartoon show. That said, I also like Star Wars as well, and saw it several times when it came out in '77. I think that both series are done well, with a lot of thought behind them. However, I have grown to dislike the later incarnations, for Trek, the 22nd and 24th century shows, and Wars, the prequels, and sequels(books). Guess I'm just becoming an old fogey.
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~FazeShift~
Moderator
DOOP Ubersecretary
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"Talk abooouut Staaaar Waaaarrrsss!!" Definately a better Universe, I think. And I'm a Gater myself, Trek isn't my 1st sci fi series preference. But respect to it.
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M Jackson
Professor
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Star Wars of course! Words can not describe how much I love Star Wars (although I'm not one of those sad hardcore fans who knows the name of every ewok) I've watched each film many times and I love them all. Pure magic, and pure cinema!
Now, Star Trek, to be honest I've never watched it that much, but this alone shows that I don't like it alot. I'm not in a positon to criticise it on a technical or artistic level. But in my opinion its not in the same league as Star Wars. I like to watch the odd episode of the original series on occasions, but from what i've seen of the later series, it's all a bit dull. I appreciate that Star Trek is loved by people all over the world and is part of pop-culture, but I'm just not in to it. Although I did enjoy the Futurama Star Trek episode mainly to see the cast bitching, it's so funny.
Star Wars: The force is strong with this one!
Star Trek: (Don't) beam us up Scotty!
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M Jackson
Professor
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Sure it does, the out come...Star Wars is better!
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PCC Fred
Space Pope
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Originally posted by Hulkbuster: A Trekkie is someone who watches the show and loves the entertainment of it i.e. they are trekked.
A Trekker dresses up, goes to conventions, roleplays etc... they trek or try to forcefully insert themselves into the trek universe.
I am a Trekkie.... I feel the alure of the costumes and the shiny doodads but have a firm hold on reality and friends who would beat me if I did it. Put more simply, Trekkers are Trekkies who get uptight about being called Trekkies, so they call themselves Trekkers in order to pretend that they're superior to Trekkies. Okay, maybe it wasn't that simple. But you get my point.This is a tough one. It's easy to say that Voyager and Enterprise have damaged the reputation of Star Trek, but The Phantom Menace didn't exactly do Star Wars any huge favours either. Put it this way - I await Attack of the Clones and Star Trek : Nemesis with equal apathy.
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M Jackson
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Await them? Are you living in the past, they're already out on DVD. As you can guess I've got Attack of the Clones, great film (so is The Phantom Menace!).
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M Jackson
Professor
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Give Attack of the Clones a try, it's great! And if you're not a big Star Wars fan, just skip to the arena battle and Yoda fight, I fail to see how anybody can't be entertained by that!
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DrThunder88
DOOP Secretary
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Originally posted by Gocad: Comparing Star Trek with Star Wars is the same thing like comparing LotR with Harry Potter. It just doesn't work. I was going to say something similar that I feel works better. Here's an SAT analogy for you...Star Wars is to Lord of the Rings as Star Trek is to James Bond. In the sense that Star Wars has the same sort of mythological, "Once upon a time..." feeling that I get from Lord of the Rings. Much of what is seen and heard is merely accepted (e.g. only the archnerds out there know how a lightsaber is supposed to work). In Star Trek there is a greater effort to explain things and how they apply to the world as it could be. Both Bond and Star Trek also have more of a serial mindset to them. There is no major conflict between two stable sides (Empire versus Rebellion, Light versus Dark), as certain conflicts are resolved new conflicts can be added by adding new antagonists. Even though Voyager was bickering with the Borg most of the way through the Delta Quadrant, that was not the major conflict of the show. In short, there is no clear cut way to determine a victor in this debate. I would tend to classify the Star Wars series as "Science Fiction" and Star Trek as " Science Fiction", and both are good examples.
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Nurdbot
DOOP Secretary
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Nurdy break's the tie. Go Star Wars.
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M Jackson
Professor
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I think that Star Wars is the league of other epic movie sagas like The Lord of the Rings. And Star Trek is just another of those Sci-fi shows you get on Sky One, like Farscape, Stargate, and all those other almost identical shows. Sure Star Trek started it, but it's still all the same.
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CyberKnight
Urban Legend
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Star Wars probably has broader appeal. The original trilogy for me beats, hands down, TOS. But then, I'm of the opinion that the actors in the original trilogy made those films (not just literally ). Lucas' overreliance on CGI in the prequels (and most of it doesn't even look that good) at the expense of basic fundamentals makes them less enjoyable, IMHO. TNG, OTOH, is probably my favourite sci-fi series of all time (though SG-1 is starting to catch my attention ). I would put it like this : whenever each series sticks to it's strengths, they're both great. Star Wars works best as a lighter-hearted, not so meticulous sci-fi series, and Trek works in the exact opposite. Most attempts at venturing into the other's territory fail (although there are exceptions).
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Grim
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TNG and Voyager beat star wars... but star wars beats TOS and DS9
As for enterprise, I dont know where I rate it, Its not as good as TNG, but its still ok. hmm forget enterprise I wont compare it.
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FishyJoe
Honorary German
Urban Legend
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By duckarse: p.s. how anyone can say farscape is good is beyond me....ive seen one ok episode, the rest bored me...but thats just my opinion, im sure i like some rubbish programs. Well, at least it aint babylon 5. You son of a! I've always been a Star Wars fan, and Farscape gets me closest to that "Star Wars" feeling. It's different, but it seems to affect me on the same level. While Star Trek and all those other shows take turns trying to out-bore each other, Farscape is more adventurous and weird. But I guess it's not for everyone. But to get back on topic: even if you people hate the prequels, at least when it's all over, it'll just be six movies, telling one story. It's not going to go on until everybody hates it, like Star Trek.
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Nixorbo
UberMod
DOOP Secretary
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Originally posted by OC_James: I feel Leia and Amidala are more arousing than most of the Star Trek women combined (This includes the green women). Having said that, I hate Leia's hair and I hate the way Amidala wore her hair through most of The Phantom Menace. I hated the way Amidala acted like she has the personality and emotions of balsa wood.
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Nixorbo
UberMod
DOOP Secretary
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Originally posted by Atticus: Did anyone else think that the guy who played Anakin in episode 2 was one horrible actor? You mean you didn't like the way he looked like a date rapist the entire movie?
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