M Jackson
Professor
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Gollum is truely amazing, but just look at Yoda too!
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ShineFusion
Professor
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Yoda is'nt that great he looked kinda stupid and different to the rubber yoda.
Btw there is such a thing as overdoing it, Ep 2 is an example.
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fryfanSpyOrama
Urban Legend
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« Reply #42 on: 06-29-2004 02:09 »
« Last Edit on: 06-29-2004 02:09 »
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First off good Best of poll, but I would've had Superman 1 and 2 as one choice same for X-men and Batman, since they are parts of a fanchise. I would also would've added Blade and Spawn.
Also, my friend and I have talked about this topic before. Comics fans hate the movies, because they don't live up to the comics, while people who've never read the comics like the movies, because of the action and story.
We started to wonder, why don't the writers of the comics simply write the screenplay of the movies? Typically, they get regular screen writers to write the scripts of the movies, and the result is what we get on the screen. Batman, Spiderman, both are movies, that writers tried to directly base from the comics. However, why can't hollywood simply hire the comic writers to produce them a script?
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Jamesbondcja
Professor
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I would say either X-2, Spidey or Daredevil. Though future releases such as Elektra, Spidey 2 or the Fantastic 4 may be able to take the title.
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Lurrr
Professor
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We started to wonder, why don't the writers of the comics simply write the screenplay of the movies? Typically, they get regular screen writers to write the scripts of the movies, and the result is what we get on the screen. Batman, Spiderman, both are movies, that writers tried to directly base from the comics. However, why can't hollywood simply hire the comic writers to produce them a script? Because writing a script for a film is not the same as writing a comic script. Especially since a production company is usually paying a very large sum of money to make these films, and would rather have someone with a good track record with screenplays to do the writing rather than risk that money on someone with no screenwriting experience. I'm really fed up of all these fans complaining that movie adaptions don't 'live up' to the original comics. Personally I'd rather see an entertaining movie rather than a flawless interpretation of the source material that turns out to be crap.
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Lurrr
Professor
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However, don't you think it would please comic fans if studios had the comic writers more involved in making the movies? I don't mean write the script, but review the script before it becomes official. A lot of the time they are involved (all the Marvel adaptations list Stan Lee and Avi Arad as executive producers). But even so, I think comic fans would still moan even if the original comics writers were on board. The fan community can't stand any changes to the source material (I mean, what difference does it make as to how Spiderman spins his webs?!?) and with an adaptation that is inevitable. Not all fans are like this of course, but there are a few who I think will never be satisfied, and it's pointless to try. If all the rest of us are enjoying ourselves, screw them! Also, X-Men 2 is the best!
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SlaytanicMaggot
Professor
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Hm...I forgot to mention "The Shadow," or "Dick Tracy." or "Nick Fury." I liked those. They weren't perfect - maybe "The Shadow" was about 98% - but I liked them.
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Lurrr
Professor
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The movies simply can not be like the comics simply because they have to be dumbed down. I wouldn't say that the movies are 'dumbed down'. There's just things that comics do well and things that films do well. You can't have yellow spandex in films because it would look stupid, for example. And what a comic could do over twelve issues a film has to fit into 2 hours, so some things have to be cut even if it's because they add nothing to the plot. Maybe the fans with moan if the producers change something, but their concern is telling the story. No-one wants to watch a boring film full of pointless backstory.
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EvilLunch
Professor
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I wasn't sure where I ought to tell this story.. Seeing as the topic of the second is Spiderman 2, I think here would be appropriate. After my Dad and I went to go see it today, this is what he told me.
When my Dad and his friend Rich were in high school, they took a trip up to the Manhattan area. Instead of hanging out at Rockefeller Center, Rich insisted that they take the Mad magazine tour. Rich was a huge comic/scifi/Mad/etc fan, and was so enthusiastic about it that Dad had to agree. He knew very little about comics.. Enjoyed reading them, but wasn't too obsessive. After the tour, they got a few souveneirs and got in the elevator to go downstairs and out. It stopped a floor below, and a bespectacled man got on. Now, that day, Rich was wearing a Howard The Duck T-Shirt. The man said, to Rich.. "Nice shirt." With a smile. Dad sort of smiled at him, noncommitally. Rich was dead silent. They went down another floor, and the man got off. Rich was stunned, and stammered something to my Dad. He said, "Come again?" "Th.. That was Stan Lee..!!" Rich managed. All that said.. I say Howard the Duck. ...Heheh, or not.. Spiderman 2 definitely trounces the rest. It was beautiful.
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EvilLunch
Professor
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My Dad has a lot of celebrity stories. He's lucky ;-; It's case he works at radio stations. You'd be surprised how many people drop by... Yeah, tom, that struck me too.. I mean.. I wish his aunt were one of them. When she walked out on Petey I felt so bad for him..!
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Shaucker
Professor
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(looks up to see Daredevil actually made the list)
MUAHAHAHAHAHA
that stupid thing shouldn't count as either a comic or a movie...such a horrible idea
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Shaucker
Professor
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Well, people give these superheroes handicaps so there will BE superheroes with handicaps. I hate that, it seems like tampering with creativity. Although I do love Jean-Paul(NorthStar) in Xmen...probably one of the first openly gay comic characters.
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David A
Space Pope
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Originally posted by Shaucker: Well, people give these superheroes handicaps so there will BE superheroes with handicaps. I hate that, it seems like tampering with creativity. Although I do love Jean-Paul(NorthStar) in Xmen...probably one of the first openly gay comic characters. Being gay isn't a handicap. (Then again, he's also Canadian. Maybe that counts. ) As far as superheroes with handicaps, how about Professor X, or Cyclops? (Cyclops isn't blind, but without his ruby quartz visor, he might as well be.) Even those guys have it easy compared to Rogue, though. At least they can touch people.
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Shaucker
Professor
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Hey, after the whole Miss Marvel thing, she had it easier...plus the most recent stuff in Xtreme Xmen where she was inactive.
No, I'm not saying being gay is a handicap...I'm just saying that stuff like being gay, or handicapped or blind has the habit of feeling forced in the character just for the message.
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David A
Space Pope
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Originally posted by Shaucker: Hey, after the whole Miss Marvel thing, she had it easier...plus the most recent stuff in Xtreme Xmen where she was inactive. I wouldn't know, I haven't read any X-Men comics in years. Rogue has always been one of my favorite characters, but as much as I like her, I've always felt that the fact that she has Ms. Marvel's powers is a bit of a cop out. Why bother with her actual mutant abilities when she can just fly around and chuck cars at people? One of the things that I liked about both the movie and X-Men: Evolution was that we got to see Rogue without any permanent extra powers. No, I'm not saying being gay is a handicap...I'm just saying that stuff like being gay, or handicapped or blind has the habit of feeling forced in the character just for the message. I knew what you meant. I was just teasing. I agree with you that that sort of thing is often unnecessary. There are more subtle ways to send a message. With the X-Men, the whole mutant thing is a metaphor for being different. You can relate to that whether you're gay, or handicapped, or just a weird kid who likes to read comic books.
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Mr. Potter
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I voted Batman but it is in close competition with X2.
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