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Grim
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The end of the game doesnt completely clarify whether it is a matrix within a matrix, but u get the impression that the real world, is and always had been the real world...
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Grim
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I would say something similar has happened everytime, he didnt know until it was about to happen, prehaps he can extrapolate the results, prehaps Neo was just going VERY fast?
wont know all out til November
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ZombieJesus
Lost Belgian
DOOP Secretary
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I figured it all out. It ends up with Neo waking up screaming. It was all just a dream. ... That would make a crappy ending.
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SlaytanicMaggot
Professor
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« Reply #90 on: 05-30-2003 00:12 »
« Last Edit on: 05-30-2003 00:12 »
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The cake scene had you confused? Well, then you better listen closely. It wasn't that confusing at all...this is one of those things like Farscape or "Adaption,", or any anime series, where you have to pay close attention to everything that happens or you'll end up totally lost...
EDIT: Oh, and ZJ: He wakes up screaming, in the same bed he was in when he "awoke" from his interrogation in the first movie...he calms down, then there's a long silence...then the phone rings. Then, jotingly, the credits roll.
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Loki
Professor
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Very dull movie. Sorry, people, but i prefer films which have a bit of sense within.
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ZombieJesus
Lost Belgian
DOOP Secretary
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Originally posted by FishyJoe: I don't get why people are confused about the cake thing...they zoomed in right on her crotch. What do you think was happening? It looked as if I was the only one in the theatre that got it.
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Loki
Professor
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« Reply #102 on: 05-31-2003 05:53 »
« Last Edit on: 05-31-2003 05:53 »
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I'm fairly certain the movie has oodle upon oodles of meaning, coming out the wazoo even.
The only problem is that it's wrapped up in a mystery, in an enigma, in a conundrum. Maybe. The thing that bugs me can be said in one word “guns”. And fighting. And guns. Why all your world rotates around gun’s barrel? Can’t you made a film with the physiological and philosophical content? No. “American” means fighting. and guns. and fighting. Even such a good theme (Matrix has some philosophical ideas and some psychology in it, I admit) you poisoned with your gun cult. Sorry, I’m telling what I think.
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Grim
Professor
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I saw it for a second time last night, a couple of thing I never picked up on.
The architect says that Neo was created (read: programed) with the love of humanity to make him choose to save humanity, this Neo was different, specific love- how could the matrix create Neo or his personality?
Also the Mellovingian (sp?) knows about previous The Ones, and seems suprised that Neo has adequet skill. The Vampires and the twins could easily be agents from previous version of the matrix that have chosen to go exile.
When the Mellovingian says the oracles days are numbered, he means it, the game reveals that he has her deletion code.
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Gocad
Space Pope
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Originally posted by Grim: I saw it for a second time last night, a couple of thing I never picked up on.
The architect says that Neo was created (read: programed) with the love of humanity to make him choose to save humanity, this Neo was different, specific love- how could the matrix create Neo or his personality?
Also the Mellovingian (sp?) knows about previous The Ones, and seems suprised that Neo has adequet skill. The Vampires and the twins could easily be agents from previous version of the matrix that have chosen to go exile.
When the Mellovingian says the oracles days are numbered, he means it, the game reveals that he has her deletion code. Well Neo is the sixth version, so he is upgraded, therefore he is better than the previous ones. Also, remember what Smith said at the begining. Agent Smith: that went as expected Agent Smith Clone: yes, everything is just like before. [they look at each other] Agent Smith: well, not everything. copied without regret from the IMDb .
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SlaytanicMaggot
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Originally posted by Loki: Maybe. The thing that bugs me can be said in one word ?guns?. And fighting. And guns. Why all your world rotates around gun?s barrel? Can?t you made a film with the physiological and philosophical content? No. ?American? means fighting. and guns. and fighting. Even such a good theme (Matrix has some philosophical ideas and some psychology in it, I admit) you poisoned with your gun cult. Sorry, I?m telling what I think. Look, if you had the 2nd admendment in your Constitustion, and the NRA in europe, or whereever you are, paying off politicans, you wouldn't have a ban on guns. and besides, the "gun culture" ain't just in the USA, sweetie. (THAT IS STRICTLY BEING USED FOR SARCASTIC EFFECT, NOT TO INSULT.) It's everywhere. Hell, I'll bet there's a movie from India where guns are used. And besides, violence is a part of life. violence happens every day, just about everywhere. and really, how would your opinion be on the movie if they had swordfighting instead of gunfighting? Like, say, Lord Of The Rings, which is five times more violent than The Matrix?
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Action Jacktion
Professor
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Originally posted by Gocad: Actually I have begun to think that both Zion and the Matrix are part of another program, also there is something that Agent Smith said:
"Now here I stand because of you, Mr. Anderson, because of you I am no longer an Agent of the system. Because of you I am changed, unplugged. A new man, so to speak, like you, apparently free." That might have been a reference to the fact that Neo thought he was acting on his own but was really just doing what the Architect intended him to do. Originally posted by mikey: Im a bit confused, the architech gave neo a choice at the end, basically zion or trinity. Did Neo choose trinity or did he defy the rules of the matrix and choose both. And how did neo stop those sentinels at the end? He chose Trinity, which apparently doomed everyone in the Matrix and in Zion. If he had gone the other way, the Matrix would have remained as it is, while Zion would have been destroyed but Neo would have been able to repopulate it. Apparently all of the other Ones made the second choice, but Neo didn't because he's different. As for how he stopped the Sentinels, I don't know. Maybe since he's such an integral part of the system, he can influence it even when he's outside the Matrix.
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LAN.gnome
Urban Legend
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Originally posted by Nixorbo: ::Beats gnome over the head with a Lord of the Rings box set::
Yo! Yo! No need for hostility; each LOTR installment has a very satifying beginning, middle, and end. This would be becasue the books were written to be that way, and were released that way when published. I own that LOTR box set. Complete with Pillars of Argonath bookends. All I'm saying is, Matrix Reloaded leaves us hanging too much; there's hardly any resolution by the stories end -- little has changed since the movie began. Sure, Neo knows more about the Matrix and Zion is gone, but there weren't that many plot developments in this installment. In my opinion.
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LAN.gnome
Urban Legend
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Originally posted by Gocad: I think the end or Reloaded is a good cliffhanger, at least I have seen worse ones.
Neo is in a coma, Morpheus has lost his ship and everthing else he believed in, Zion is on the verge of being destroyed, and not to forget, next to Neo lies Bane/Smith.
I would have to agree that there have been worse ones. That doens't make this one better, but still, the point is valid. One thing that bugged me... ...was that right at the end, when they pan to the Bane/Smith guy, they cut a split second too soon -- I had to see it twice before I recognized the face as the guy who Smith took over and who tried to kill Neo.
I may have stated this before, but I still think it would have been really cool to end the movie with the Keymaker's description of what needs to be done to access the 65th floor of that one building. The way they edited could have been virtually the same -- everyone getting into position and such. Morpheus says something like "let's go," fade to black, roll credits.
Then, by the time Revolutions rolls around, you could play out the whole power plant/building bits in real time, which would be excessively cool. And you'd still have time for the Architect and whatever revelations follow. Just my thoughts. I admit that the movie does grow on you with repeated viewings, I guess I just wish it had been a slam dunk for me the first time.
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Gocad
Space Pope
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« Reply #115 on: 06-01-2003 07:56 »
« Last Edit on: 06-01-2003 07:56 »
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Originally posted by mikey: Was bane the guy who tried to kill tank in the first matrix? and where was tank? he was an awesome controller, link was pretty good though in all fairness. First, Bane wasn't in the first part. Cypher was the one who tried to kill Tank and Dozer. Second, the reason why Tank wasn't in Reloaded is that Tank is probably dead. Remember, Tank had suffered some serious injuries from Cypher's attack. Dozer and Tank had a sister, Zee, said to Link: "I've lost two brothers to that ship..." The real reason why Tank isn't in Reloaded is that the actor who played Tank had caused so much trouble, that it was decided not to cast him again for Reloaded and Revolutions.
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Nixorbo
UberMod
DOOP Secretary
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Zee and Link? Ya think the makers played much Legend of Zelda?
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SlaytanicMaggot
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with all the hidden crap in there, I wouldn't be suprised.
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