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Otis P Jivefunk
DOOP Secretary
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Seasons 2-12 (ish)? That includes the horrible Season 11, yet misses Season 1, which is much worse... not... It's much better...
Ok, you said "ish", but there's deliberate avoidance of Season 1 there... Ok, so maybe it's slower, and the animation is cruder, but you'd rather watch Season 11 (ish) episodes?...
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leelaholic
Liquid Emperor
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Yeah. I like season one, too.
I agree with Faze that seasons 2-8 (and, to a lesser extent, 9) are awesome, but I don't think that 10-12 kick ass, although they did have some good ones ("Hungry Hungry Homer", "Trilogy of Error", "Brother's Little Helper", etc.).
Overall, I'd rank the seasons as... Seasons 2-8: Awesome Seasons 13-15: Very Good Seasons 1 & 9: Good Season 10: Not Good Seasons 11 & 12: Bad*
*Keep in mind, a "Bad" Simpsons episode is still better than most TV
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SlackJawedMoron
Urban Legend
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Well, I can't say I know what 'Octuplets' is, but I have my weird standards. I wouldn't watch either. It's not a case of 'It's not as good, but it's still better than *whatever*, with me, it's 'fallen below the standard where I would actually find it acceptable', and there fore, lumped with the majority of programs. I don't really have a scale of 'bad - very bad - stomach explodingly bad' (though I do have 'so bad it's awesome'), I have a sliding scale of acceptability, and then... the shows that aren't. The Simpsons, for me, may not be the worse show in the existence of everything, but if they don't meet my standards, then they aren't getting any kind consideration from me.
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M0le
Space Pope
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Originally posted by leelaholic: Seasons 13-15: Very Good
Are you including Season 14 in that? Season 14 is the worst season of them all, IMHO. My personal worst five episodes are all in it. 'Octuplets' was the one where Apu had his eight children, right? What exactly was wrong with it? I haven't seen it for about two years, but from memory I thought it was pretty funny. "Whatever. Just give me some ice cream. (Apu pulls ice cream up) Um...how about one that's not touching your ass?"
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User_names_suck
Professor
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Season 14 was the most uneven season ever but certainetley better than s11. although Pray anything and helter shelter are possibly the worst 2 episodes ever.
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Otis P Jivefunk
DOOP Secretary
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Originally posted by DotheBartman: "Eight Misbehavin'" is the title of the Simpsons episode. Personally though I think the episode itself is somewhat lousy. Had its moments (mainly "Octopia" ), but its ultimately just another wacky Homer adventure where he helps out a side-character for some reason, and the story just isn't interesting or consistantly funny enough. You described that episode almost exactly how I felt about it. Although I felt that way about the majority of Season 11, with very few acceptations here and there.
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DotheBartman
Liquid Emperor
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Yeah, same here. What's pathetic is that "Behind the Laughter" is probably the best S11 episode, and it still isn't really a classic.
Truthfully, of all the Apu episodes made I think "Much Apu About Nothing" is the only really great one. The others range from good to bad, but "Nothing" is the only one that's really notable.
In regards to season 14, I also think that its very uneven, but I wouldn't say its bad (or good), just very very uneven. It started off pretty badly (concluding its run of terror with possibly the worst episode ever, "Pray Anything" ) and then suddenly got good towards the end, even producing a true top 50 classic, "Moe Baby Blues". Its not a good or bad season to me, just mediocre and kind of a "transition" into season 15 (season 13 is better, but it made few attempts at truly restoring emotion or deeper satire into the show. 14 seemed like they were trying to make the next step, but weren't succeeding much at first).
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User_names_suck
Professor
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Yep my sentiments exactly DTB. and Otis as well.
and not only is BTL the best episode of season 11, TOE is the best episode of season 12.
Although for me the jury is still out on season 15, I've still 10 episodes to see, and my thoughts on some episodes seem to be going up and down. Diatribe of a mad housewifes' main plot wasn't quite what I rememberd it to be, and Homer's sub plot was a lot more irritating this time. My rankings gone down half a grade to a 3/5.
So even after season 15 I still don't think the show will surpass season 9 or 1 quality judging from what I've heard of the rest of the episodes in the season.
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DotheBartman
Liquid Emperor
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Originally posted by KurtPikachu2001:
*Lisa develops behavioral problems, that cause her not to study and play vengeful pranks on her cruel classmates!*
That's basically "Seperate Vocations". Ya know, from the beloved third season. And most of those other ideas would have been silly even for Mike Scully, so I don't think you're being fair. And this is actually just an older thread that's been bumped up/continued a lot.
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Nurdbot
DOOP Secretary
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He's said what everyone has already thought.
Who is left then? The Pope?
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Nurdbot
DOOP Secretary
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Woah, that is funny but I feel guilty at the same time.
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John Pannozzi
Starship Captain
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Originally posted by Tweek: Itchy and Scratchy are the highlight of the show I agree. Too bad they were only in 2 freaking episodes in the last freaking season. Anyway, I think the Simpsons is getting bad beacause: 1)It's so surreal it's unbelievable in a bad way. 2) So little continuity that the show becomes boring and ruins good previous episodes. 3) Where's the love between the family? Why don't Bart and Lisa ever show they love each other like the good old days? But the show hasn't jumped yet because there are still good eps like "Diabitre of a mad housewife" and "The Way we weren't".
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DotheBartman
Liquid Emperor
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Originally posted by John Pannozzi 1)It's so surreal it's unbelievable in a bad way.
I think its already been established that the surreality has been going steadily down, and isn't really much different from oh, say, season six right now. 2) So little continuity that the show becomes boring and ruins good previous episodes.
If continuity is that important to you, you shouldn't be watching The Simpsons. Its just never been a continuity heavy show. Its not serialized in any way. Either you like it that way or you don't, but its hardly an example of it "getting bad" since it hasn't changed to begin with. 3) Where's the love between the family? Why don't Bart and Lisa ever show they love each other like the good old days?
"Milhouse Doesn't Live Here Anymore" (Bart and Lisa example) "My Mother the Carjacker" "The Way We Weren't" "I, D'ohBot" "Diatribe of a Madhousewife" All clear examples, and there's lots of other smaller ones like "Fraudcast News" (Homer helping out Lisa) Its not like season two anymore, but its not much different then....let's say season six again. Also as a smaller bit of news the Jean/Shearer dispute has apparently been patched up (as confirmed by Roger Myers III at NHC). As suspected, misquoted interviews played a part in the confusion.
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User_names_suck
Professor
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Yeah people's criticism's are getting fucking tiresome, will everyone please stop regurgataing these outdated arguments that don't hold water anymore. What's next is someone going to start a thread saying "has anyone noticed Homer's become too much off a jerk in the last couple of years." What's more pathetic is the people that spout these arguments will often say. "Oh well I kind off stopped watching 3 years ago" either that or don't seem to understand the show any, completley forgetting the show never had that much continuity, and that ridculously surreal moments have been happening for a while. If you wan't to criticise the show look at indvidual episodes and give a fair evalution to that episode, otherwise please just Fuck off.
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newhook_1
Urban Legend
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« Reply #196 on: 09-24-2004 18:05 »
« Last Edit on: 09-24-2004 18:05 »
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The series has been surreal since day one. I mean really, a man and his son getting lost in the woods for days, getting covered in mud, and mistaken for big foot is pretty surreal, John. The Simpsons is supposed to be a surreal exageration of an American family, just look at the old Shorts, they're more surreal than most of the Scully era and Jean era, and the shorts were Matt's original vision. Anyone who thinks that the Simpsons wasn't surreal before Scully came along is a dumbass, I'm sorry John, but there's no way around it.
And before someone rags on me, my arguments against the show were never about the show actually being bad in the Jean era, just about it getting stale. I had nothing but praise for Simple Simpson (Well, with the exception of the weird flying Monk thing), and I said they should go in more original directions like they did in that episode more often. Seems most people who reviewed it recently in the Simpson's review thread agreed.
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