Star Wars: Return of the Thread

[Reply #280 on:]

I don't know why Disney doesn't release the original trilogy on DVD and blu-ray.  I doubt that I'm the only person who would buy a set.  It's like they're just leaving money on the table.

An entire generation had grown up never having seen the originals now, and I think that's a real shame.

[Palpatine] <whispers> You want Harmy's Despecialized Edition!

I shan't link it, even though it's really a fan creation, but it's covered fully on wikipedia. Head on over.

And I forget the project name but some group has been restoring one of the original negatives...can you possibly imagine the tedium involved?

[Reply #281 on:]

I have the originals on VHS.  I still think that it would be nice if everyone could see them.

[Reply #282 on:]

I vaguely recall Lucasfilms did reissue the original cuts of the Trilogy on DVD sometime in the past decade or so, but they didn't utilize the original film, opting for a transfer of the Laserdisc video....

EDIT: Yup, I was right.

https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/star-wars-original-trilogy-unaltered-dvds

[Reply #283 on:]

I first saw them on LD or VHS....after the hype of OT was long dead, but long before the hype for the digital theater reasters and prequels was on the horizon.  One of my uncles just sat me down in a front room and put it on....I didn't know I was watching a masterpiece, and I got the pure completely unadulterated without any prior knowledge or previous opinion experience.I can truly die happy....and I've seen the entire Star Wars Holiday Special.

[Reply #284 on:]

A couple years ago while working a department store during Xmas season, I put the Holiday Special on a thumbdrive and showed it on all of the fancy 4K tvs in the electronics section. Got a lot of puzzled passerbys.

[Reply #285 on:]

We are now the friendship. You did better than I could ever dream....but there's a computer out there in the past that died...in the middle of SWHS....because it refused to do it anymore.  I invited strangers over....just so I could put it on.

"Hey, check this out...."
Stir whisk

Stir whisk Whisk whisk stir

AND JEfFErSON STAAAAARRRRSHHHHIIIIPPPP

[Reply #286 on:]

A couple years ago while working a department store during Xmas season, I put the Holiday Special on a thumbdrive and showed it on all of the fancy 4K tvs in the electronics section. Got a lot of puzzled passerbys.

You probably made it into George Lucas blacklist ... also probably gave him yet another attack

[Reply #287 on:]

I've still never seen that. Is it bad in a "so-bad-it's-good" way, or is it just plain bad?

[Reply #288 on:]

It's just bad. Portions of it have low entertainment value - most of it has no entertainment value.

It's mostly just educational, in a "see now, the second and third trilogies could have been as bad as this!" way.

[Reply #289 on:]

ironically parts of it made it into canon.. like Life Day (aparently Star Wars xmas day) and Chewie's family.. also it has the first appearance of Boba Fett before TESB..

How ever as good as that sounds on paper the end result is.... well....

[Reply #290 on:]

I suspect the only good thing about The Star Wars Holiday Special is the pleasure to be gained from getting other poor suckers to watch it

[Reply #291 on:]

ironically parts of it made it into canon.

Before the prequels came out, everything was canon: the holiday special, the ewok movies, the droids and ewoks cartoons, all of the comics, all of the novels, everything from the role-playing game.  All of it.

[Reply #292 on:]

ironically parts of it made it into canon.

Before the prequels came out, everything was canon: the holiday special, the ewok movies, the droids and ewoks cartoons, all of the comics, all of the novels, everything from the role-playing game.  All of it.

No they werent..  George Lucas had said repeatedly that while he encourages people to keep dreaming stories after the end in the movies.. he didnt considered any of those canons until he deemed so..  canon was only the movies, TV series and movie novels as long as they didnt contradict movie canon (wich they did.. for example ROTJ novel Obiwan said Owen Lars was his brother) ..
he could contradict anything of that in canon works .. and actually he did since the whole droids series was invalidated by the canon movies wich explained the origin of R2D2 and C3PO ..
At least there was a strong attempt at continuity in the novels ...events of most novels were referenced in later ones.. videogames often delightfully followed those (X-wing and TIE Fighter series, Jedi Knight series) tought not allways perfect.. some works had so blatant contradiction with others ..even with basic Star Wars mechanics (i renember being quite annoyed in the black fleet trilogy when Michael Kube keep repeating over and over stuff like ships needing to fly away from planetas FOR DAYS before jumping..or fleets needing days to coordinate a joint jump or being totally unable to comunicate in hyperspace.. staff not only contradicted by later canon, but allready in the existing one.. but hey this was the guy who tried to write Luke's mother only to do a massive and very predictible trolling out of it

i renember Lucasfilms doing a weird canon level system not long before Disney's take over.. i copy from wookipedia:

G-canon, T-canon, C-canon, S-canon, N-canon and D-canon

G-canon was George Lucas Canon; the six Episodes and any statements by George Lucas

T-canon,or Television Canon, referred to the canon level comprising the feature film Star Wars: The Clone Wars and the television show Star Wars: The Clone Wars.

C-canon was Continuity Canon, consisting of all recent works (and many older works) released under the name of Star Wars: books, comics, games, cartoons, non-theatrical films, and more. Games were a special case, as generally only the stories were C-canon, while things like stats and gameplay may not have been

S-canon was Secondary Canon; the materials were available to be used or ignored as needed by authors. This included mostly older works, such as much of the original Marvel Star Wars comics, that predated a consistent effort to maintain continuity;

D was Detours Canon, used for material hailing from Star Wars Detours. (lol)

N was Non-Canon. What-if stories (such as stories published under the Infinities label) and anything else directly and irreconcilably contradicted by higher canon ended up here

[Reply #293 on:]

canon was only the movies, TV series and movie novels as long as they didnt contradict movie canon (wich they did.. for example ROTJ novel Obiwan said Owen Lars was his brother) ..

Obviously if the novelization of a movie differs from the movie then the movie version is correct.  The author probably just made a mistake (perhaps he got Owen being Anakin's brother mixed up with being Obi-Wan's), or maybe Obi-Wan was just lying again.

he could contradict anything of that in canon works .. and actually he did since the whole droids series was invalidated by the canon movies wich explained the origin of R2D2 and C3PO ..

I did say, "Before the prequels came out," didn't I?  I'm pretty sure that I did.  Obviously if the prequels contradict Droids they can't both be canon.  That doesn't mean that Droids wasn't canon before the prequels were written.  It's a retcon, just like so many other things in Star Wars have been retconned since 1997.

I'll have to take your word for it when it comes to video games.  The only Star Wars video game I played was the old arcade game from 1983.

[Reply #294 on:]

ill be honest..

it was the videogames mostly and the novels (specially the first ones , like the Thrawn trilogy) wich made me fall in love with Star Wars most.. as those took the trilogy and build a universe arround it..they didnt contradict or challenged anything about the classic trilogy.. but expanded and enhanced it..

and thats one of the reasons i get so annoyed at the new treatment the disney products are doing to the classic trilogy and even prequels .. they dont expand it.. they trash it to their own gain

[Reply #295 on:]

I've never actually read any of the novels, but I've read the comic book adaptations of some of them, like Splinter of the Mind's Eye, the Thrawn trilogy, and Shadows of the Empire.

I also read the old Marvel comics as they came out, some of them before the second and third movies were made.  At the time, the Marvel comics seemed like they were just as much a part of Star Wars as the movies were.

[Reply #296 on:]

I read the Darth Vader comic set in the immediate aftermath of RotS. That was pretty good!

[Reply #297 on:]

If you like Darth Vader comics you might also enjoy Vader's Quest, from 1999.  It's a four-issue miniseries that takes place after the destruction of the first Death Star and deals with Vader attempting to find out the identity of the rebel pilot who destroyed the Death Star.

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Of course, astute Marvel comics fans may remember that Vader finally learned the name of the rebel pilot back in issue #35.

[Reply #298 on:]

Speaking of Darth Vader comics, the only SW comic I have ever read is the miniseries titled Target Vader. I recommend it! A really cool story about a group of bounty hunters who are hired to try kill Vader.

[Reply #299 on:]

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Star Wars: The Bad Batch, An All-New Animated Series, To Debut On Disney+ In 2021

[Reply #300 on:]

Not gonna lie... those characters were pretty lame. I'm not sure they could carry a show on their own. That said, I liked both Clone Wars and Rebels so I'll keep an open mind.

[Reply #301 on:]

I dont have any problem with the bad batch at all per se.. the problem is that they are an utterly obvious "take" on the bad company from battlefield summed with the quintesential stereotypical odd-squad from war movies... the nerdy guy with glasses , the reclusive sniper, the muscle guy , the smart leader.. it has all ..  so while i like the guys .. i dont see a spin-off series centered on them..

However its Filoni.. imagine if the decides to tell their story "During and AFTER order 66" and he shows us the birth of the Empire and the transition from the clone's eyes.. that could be good.

[Reply #302 on:]

Begun, Mandalorian season two has.

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First episode was solid. It felt pretty similar the the AT-ST episode from the first season as far as story structure is concerned, BUT they managed to make an episode on Tatooine that didn't feel like forced nostalgia pandering. Boba Fett showing up at the end is exciting!

[Reply #303 on:]

The first episode of the second season was pretty decent, but I do have two minor gripes.

First of all, all prior descriptions and depictions of the Krayt Dragon have included legs. It's not a fucking sandworm. Tatooine isn't some kind of discount Arrakis.

Second of all, there is an entire galaxy for the show to play in. Across the whole damn franchise, we keep coming back to Tatooine. We keep returning to the vast, desolate, sand-blown landscape of Anakin Motherfucking Skywalker's angst-ridden breakdown, and the seedy, dingy, downtrodden barscapes that seem to be Tatooine's primary commercial centers.

For a vast galaxy of possibilities, the franchise seems determined not to explore new ones unless and until it absolutely has to. This same story could (with minor changes) have been told on Mon Cala, Manaan, Naboo, Bothuwai, Bpfassh, Yavin 4, Endor, Ithor, Kashyyyk, etc. But, no.

Let's spend some more time fucking around in the sand on Tatooine instead of using any other location for this tale, just so that we can shoehorn in Boba "I'm not actually very good at my job" Fett.

[Reply #304 on:]

i agree..

It was again a bit of a sidequest and again returning to Tatooine..
tought aparently the character we meet is from the Aftermatch books and in order to introduce the character we see at the end we kinda had to go back to Tatooine

[Reply #305 on:]

The first episode of the second season was pretty decent, but I do have two minor gripes.

First of all, all prior descriptions and depictions of the Krayt Dragon have included legs. It's not a fucking sandworm. Tatooine isn't some kind of discount Arrakis.

Second of all, there is an entire galaxy for the show to play in. Across the whole damn franchise, we keep coming back to Tatooine. We keep returning to the vast, desolate, sand-blown landscape of Anakin Motherfucking Skywalker's angst-ridden breakdown, and the seedy, dingy, downtrodden barscapes that seem to be Tatooine's primary commercial centers.

For a vast galaxy of possibilities, the franchise seems determined not to explore new ones unless and until it absolutely has to. This same story could (with minor changes) have been told on Mon Cala, Manaan, Naboo, Bothuwai, Bpfassh, Yavin 4, Endor, Ithor, Kashyyyk, etc. But, no.

Let's spend some more time fucking around in the sand on Tatooine instead of using any other location for this tale, just so that we can shoehorn in Boba "I'm not actually very good at my job" Fett.

Well, given that the show is about Mandalorians, Boba Fett was bound to be involved at some point, and since Tatooine was where he "died", it's the logical next step.

That said, he is indeed the most overrated Star Wars character.

[Reply #306 on:]

Just came here to say I have been enjoying season 2 of Mando waaaaay more than season 1. Good stuff!

[Reply #307 on:]

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Future Lucasfilm Projects Revealed

Rogue Squadron, directed by Patty Jenkins, in cinemas Christmas 2023.

Hayden Christensen confirmed to be returning as Darth Vader in the Obi-Wan Kenobi Disney+ show, set 10 years after Revenge of the Sith.

Rosario Dawson to continue her role as Ahsoka Tano in her own live action Disney+ limited series, written by Dave Filoni.

Rangers of the New Republic, Lando and The Acolyte shows all confirmed.

New insight on the Cassian Andor show (2022), small update on Taika Waititi's SW movie.

Star Wars: Visions, 10 episode series of animated short films in the anime style "from several of the leading Japanese anime studios".

A Droid Story: "This epic journey will introduce us to a new hero, guided by legendary duo R2-D2 and C-3PO." Sounds to be a combination of animation and special effects work.

[Reply #308 on:]

Star Wars: Visions, 10 episode series of animated short films in the anime style "from several of the leading Japanese anime studios".

If they specified which anime studios, I could form a proper opinion about this.

It'll probably only be shown on Disney+ anyway, so I doubt that I'll ever see it.

[Reply #309 on:]

Good grief, that is an utterly overwhelming amount of new content.

The Ahsoka one sounds awesome if it involves her hunting down Thrawn. I'm not that interesting in the others for the time being, although I am curious to see if they bring Donald Glover back for Lando.

Anyway, I just want to say that Season 2 of Mandalorian is indeed really good! Way less filler than the previous season and a more interesting overall story.

[Reply #310 on:]

The Book of Boba Fett, A New Series, Coming December 2021 On Disney+

[Reply #311 on:]

The Ahsoka one sounds awesome if it involves her hunting down Thrawn.

I'm more hopeful that Thrawn will emerge from wherever he's been, and begin hunting down everyone in general.

[Reply #312 on:]

I enjoyed the new season of the Mandalorian. While I marked the fuck out for Luke, I think it's in their best interest to stay away from the movie characters as much as possible and do their own thing. I feel like that's a lot of what brought down the sequel trilogy. Something like Rogue One, though it was a bit of a mindless action movie, turned out much better doing its own thing.

[Reply #313 on:]

Yes.. but at least they were not afraid of embracing logic..

Nobody expected Luke to show up ..even after Ahsoka said "a Jedi might perceive him and come to train him if he calls for it" everyone was especualting someone else was gonna show up.. some said Ezra, others even Cal Kestis (fallen order), some even sugested Maze Windu (wth) or even some dark force user ... and i renember those who said it should be Luke since he was tecnically the only remaining Jedi as far as its known (despite Ahsoka being called that she doesnt consider herself a Jedi, a point i was expecting her to make clear in her episode but she didnt said anything when the Magistrate called her a Jedi.. even so Bo Katan seems to think about her as one) but everyonr shruged it off as "nah they cant/wont do that..even if its logical" and then they did it..

i dont think theese cameos will became a trend anyway..
but again i wasnt expecting him to remove his helmet save for very specific sitations like in season 1 finale.. and now he did twice and right in front of everyone..

Renember the "rule of cool" thing? That rule that tells if something can or cant be dont on a show/movie in the logic of when fans/audience speculate something that could or should happen and it means it wont be done "because that would be cool and because its what its expected they wont do it" ?  Well Filoni embraces that.. he has done it several times in his past works and usually he handles it very well (nobody espected first Tarkin, then Vader, in Rebels.. yet they shine there.. or Ahsoka, Rex, Bo Katan, Mon Mothma, Dodonna..  and the list goes on and on)

[Reply #314 on:]

Star Wars: The High Republic: New Trailer Revealed And More

[Reply #315 on:]

I don't know how I missed this interview from last year's Star Wars Day.

Empire at 40 | “The Most Physically Grueling of Them All”: Mark Hamill on Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back

I'm sure most hardcore SW fans know everything in the interview, but I enjoyed reading it, and it's a nice collection of photos.

[Reply #316 on:]

Well, I certainly didn't know everything in that interview, or if I did I had forgotten most of it.

Thanks for posting the link.

[Reply #317 on:]

Looks like everybody on PEEL forgot about the Book of Boba Fett. Not surprised because it was pretty shit other than the incredibly out-of-place (but awesome) Mandalorian episode that somehow got mixed in. Oh, and seeing Cad Bane in live-action was cool.

Anyway, I was just thinking about the Obi-Wan show. All this time I was thinking, "How the hell are they gonna give him a justifiable reason to leave Tatooine" but it never occurred to me that Leia being in trouble might be it. And honestly... I can get behind this. That said, the actress playing young Leia (and all of her dialogue) is so fucking bad. The action is kind of bleh as well, but hopefully some good lightsaber fights will make up for those awkward chase scenes. And what is up with the Third Sister? She seems like a bit of a joke, and is basically the only character without plot armour. She might as well be wearing a red shirt and jacket to match her lightsaber.

I didn't really dislike it though. As a Star Wars fan I'm used to mediocre content at this point.

[Reply #318 on:]

There hasn't been any good Star Wars content since 1997.  Some of it since then has been merely mediocre rather than truly awful, but none of it has actually been good.

[Reply #319 on:]

There hasn't been any good Star Wars content since 1980.

There, fixed it for you.