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The B-plot in this week's episode was so weak, what was the point? It had no pay-off whatsoever, we don't know how Summer & Beth became normal again. All's it did was show us that Morty wants a break from sci-fi craziness but we already knew this?
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This was definitely my favorite episode since the pilot
I'd rate this one pretty highly, but I don't think I'd go that far. Even if I were some kind of Rick with infinite versions of myself whereby every possibility was explored, I don't think I'd go that far in any particular version. Hm. Actually, I wonder if I'd hate the council of tnuks as much as Rick hates the council of Ricks. It's a real shame there's no way to actually explore this.
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winna

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By whose decree is this not explorable? * winna looks into the palm of his hand Four AND 33.... yes
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Infinite universes has to mean that there's a council of Jerrys out there somewhere as well.
Does this also mean there is a council of councils?
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Infinite universes has to mean that there's a council of Jerrys out there somewhere as well.
If a Jerry got hold of Rick's portal gun and decided to form a council of Jerrys, the council would probably fall apart within an afternoon. The closest thing to a council of Jerrys is the Jerryboree asteroid. An infinite number of timelines exist in the Rick and Morty multiverse. Not every possibility is explored, but the majority of probable outcomes from the core universe are. So, there's no Rick and Mortyverse where Jerry is in control of the galaxy, even though a series of unlikely events conspiring to bring this to fruition is possible, because at no point is it probable. Remember, there's a finite (but always increasing) number of universes that contributed to the Council of Ricks, known as the Central Finite Curve (probably referring to the portion of an asymptotic curve which remains far enough from zero to be distinguishable from it). These represent probable outcomes along probability trees branching out from Rick's initial discovery of interdimensional travel. The inifinite possibilities that could have happened but remain unlikely are the ones which when plotted on an extension of the Central Finite Curve will be so "close to zero" as to be hard to distinguish. They're improbable branches of those probability trees. They might have existed, had events fallen out that way. But they didn't. We see some of the more extreme versions of possibility in the universes Rick hides in when being pursued by the council. Chairs eating phones and talking over cellpeople would seem to be a higher probability than Jerry ever being anything than a pathetic waste of the potential offered by the human spirit. "Infinite timelines" not automatically being equal to "every possibility" means that the unlikely universe where Jerry tries to put together an interdimensional council isn't necessarily a real one in the Rick and Morty multiverse. But this also means that there's very likely a way that Rick could bring any conceivable timeline into being if he had to. By manipulating events (and some form of time travel would be needed, so it's unlikely we'll see that onscreen due to the creators having said they don't want to play with it), Rick could alter the decisions and outcomes of the probability tree branching out from any one particular occurrence. He could create any reality he desires to live in from scratch. The fact that he doesn't is probably due to the lack of conflict to drive events that would result from doing this, since conflict to drive events is one of the main ingredients in an engaging television episode. Resolving conflict is a lot more satisfying than watching somebody be utterly content in their personal paradise for thirty minutes.
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That's a very well said analysis. However, I think part of its conclusion is incorrect.
Though we will most likely never see a council of jerrys, a council of jerrys definitely exists within the framework defined by the show, particularly so from the parameters the show has shared with us.
The Central Finite Curve displayed in the show is probably Rick's or Morty's Central Finite Curve, though within this framework there exists most likely numerous Central Finite Curves (perhaps infinite) depending upon which perspective one uses to view the framework. The Council of Jerrys is not pertinent or relative to the Central Finite Curve in Rick & Morty, because the show takes either Rick's perspective, Morty's perspective, both or even possibly more; predominately Rick or Morty though; most likely Rick. It may seem like the show says that I'm incorrect, and your analysis is a valid argument with evidence to support it in the show. However, Jerry is not weak in the Cronenberg universe; Jerry does not have to always be weak, this example shows that he's capable of taking and doing so successfully under the right conditions. Close Rick-Counters of the Rick Kind also shows us not all Ricks are strong.
The Council of Jerrys that also falls in one afternoon should also be a thing in the framework.
Lastly, I disagree that time travel is necessary for any given outcome under this framework. This is more my personal thinking, but time is really only another description of space; ie, when I say that, x, y, z, and ft only describe a location (or a set of locations: length, width, height, and time).
It's a difficult position to argue from, but I think it can be explained firmly, clearly, and logically. Your position appears simpler and more sufficiently defensible.
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God damn, that was one hell of an episode.
It's funny to me how it was effectively one man talking to himself for 22 minutes (not counting the narrator)
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I haven't watched me any Rick and Morty since the season opener.  ...because we are all the same person, having a single conversation with ourself that has lasted for several thousand years.
Agreed. Check my sig.
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« Reply #432 on: 09-18-2017 02:03 »
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Fuck, I need to just stop posting from Circle K. What the fusssqqwwsssck is wrong with me? I can't even read that. It defies language as a tool fo
r civil communication. It's like I got in a car crash, because I was masturbating too forcefully to pay attention to the road, and the accident gave me a lobotomy beaaaaaaaaaacause I figured lob otomy was a good trade for a pokemon card that wasn't a holo, t after that, somebody slapped me with debilitating retardation, force fed me 100 proof ethanol via my re
ctum, and then told me, "hey, you know what's a great idea right now? Rick & Morty. The entire planet Earth through out history needs to hear about Rick & Morty from you, right now." "Also, you have ADD and you just have got to taste this glue, because this glue happens to be the 10/20/25/40 most valuable, rare, luxurious glue in the galaxy." To which I replied, "yes."EDIT: you're not allowed to say those things, winna. Fuck Circle K.
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