The family that doesn't know the meaning of the word "cancelled" - The Simpsons!

[Reply #40 on:]

If you're not a troll, then perhaps you'd like to name one way that The Simpsons has ripped off Family Guy?

The only one I could think of at the top of my head is The Simpsons' The Strong Arms of the Ma, which might be ripping off Family Guy's Lethal Weapons in parts, but it all depends what came first as they aired pretty close together if I recall. Reaper Madness from The Simpsons in one of the Treehouse of Horror episodes also might be ripping off Family Guy, obviously.

Also, Moe Baby Blues is really overrated and Thirty Minutes Over Tokyo is too low on that list.

[Reply #41 on:]

If you're not a troll, then perhaps you'd like to name one way that The Simpsons has ripped off Family Guy?

Reaper Madness from The Simpsons in one of the Treehouse of Horror episodes that might be ripping off Family Guy, obviously.

Ironically, there's a joke in that segment (the "Run like the wind"/"I've only read it in books" joke) that Family Guy reused seven years later in the episode "Welcome Back, Carter".

[Reply #42 on:]

The sad thing about that is that it was already a terrible joke to begin with.

[Reply #43 on:]

I thought it was quite funny at first, but yeah, it's pretty bad.

[Reply #44 on:]

I doubt you're the only person who hates it, however it was voted the 19th best post-classic episode on NHC.

Why don't you just marry No Homers Club, Stum?


As for that list:

1. Trilogy of Error - good
2. Moe Baby Blues - sucks
3. Holidays of Future Passed - good
4. Eternal Moonshine of the Simpson Mind - sucks (but less than most)
5. Lisa Gets an "A" - good
6. The Wizard of Evergreen Terrace - good
7. Treehouse of Horror IX - great
8. The Seemingly Never-Ending Story - sucks (but less than most)
9. Hungry, Hungry Homer - good
10. Behind the Laughter - decent
11. 24 Minutes - sucks
12. Wild Barts Can't Be Broken - decent
13. Mayored to the Mob - good
14. Mom and Pop Art - good
15. Poppa's Got a Brand New Badge - sucks
16. Skinner's Sense of Snow - good
17. The Dad Who Knew Too Little - sucks
18. HOMR - good
19. I, D'oh-bot - sucks (but less than most)
20. Thirty Minutes Over Tokyo - good
21. I Am Furious (Yellow) - sucks
22. Special Edna - sucks
23. Little Girl in the Big Ten - sucks
24. 'Tis the Fifteenth Season - one of the worst episodes
25. Half-Decent Proposal - sucks

They do the cutaway thing now and Family Guy started that first.

I'm pretty sure you are a troll, but for the record, The Simpsons did cut-aways relatively often from about season 3, onwards. They were less obviously not part of the plot than on Family Guy, but that's because The Simpsons is (was) a much better written show. Family Guy was famous for taking those little bits that The Simpsons did and making a whole show out of it.

The early example of a Simpsons cut-away gag that springs to mind is Homer's fantasy about the land of chocolate in season 3, but there were loads.

[Reply #45 on:]

I don't think Wild Barts Can't Be Broken, Thirty Minutes Over Tokyo, I Am Furious (Yellow), Special Edna, 'Tis the Fifteenth Season or Half-Decent Proposal deserve to be on that list. None of them were particularly terrible, but they were hardly stand-outs.

[Reply #46 on:]

Not surprising that Viclace is from New Jersey.

[Reply #47 on:]

I doubt you're the only person who hates it, however it was voted the 19th best post-classic episode on NHC.

Why don't you just marry No Homers Club, Stum?


As for that list:

1. Trilogy of Error - good
2. Moe Baby Blues - sucks
3. Holidays of Future Passed - good
4. Eternal Moonshine of the Simpson Mind - sucks (but less than most)
5. Lisa Gets an "A" - good
6. The Wizard of Evergreen Terrace - good
7. Treehouse of Horror IX - great
8. The Seemingly Never-Ending Story - sucks (but less than most)
9. Hungry, Hungry Homer - good
10. Behind the Laughter - decent
11. 24 Minutes - sucks
12. Wild Barts Can't Be Broken - decent
13. Mayored to the Mob - good
14. Mom and Pop Art - good
15. Poppa's Got a Brand New Badge - sucks
16. Skinner's Sense of Snow - good
17. The Dad Who Knew Too Little - sucks
18. HOMR - good
19. I, D'oh-bot - sucks (but less than most)
20. Thirty Minutes Over Tokyo - good
21. I Am Furious (Yellow) - sucks
22. Special Edna - sucks
23. Little Girl in the Big Ten - sucks
24. 'Tis the Fifteenth Season - one of the worst episodes
25. Half-Decent Proposal - sucks

Yeah, your list pretty much concludes the series should have been cancelled at around Season 12 (In Behind the Laughter, Homer says something like "Next season will be our last!" and that line makes me sadder than ever now). Such a shame, as the show is already much less funnier in Season 13-14 for me than anything before. The Blunder Years I thought was great, though.

EDIT - Here's my current Simpsons Season rankings up to 14 -
6 > 8 > 5 > 7 > 3 > 10 > 4 > 9 > 2 > 12 > 1 > 11 > 13 > 14

[Reply #48 on:]

I luv the simpsons, its a lot like Futurama but not the same. It rips of Family Guy a bit but I dont mind because I luv Family Guy to! Simpsons is awesum!

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[Reply #49 on:]

Not surprising that Viclace is from New Jersey.

Shut up with your putrid stereotypes!

[Reply #50 on:]

Not surprising that Viclace is from New Jersey.

Shut up with your putrid stereotypes!

Stum, I don't think he was seriously offending her.

[Reply #51 on:]

Not surprising that Viclace is from New Jersey.

Shut up with your putrid stereotypes!

Stum, I don't think he was seriously offending her.

It's a joke, cartoonlover27. "Putrid" is my word of the day.

Homer last became a soccer referee in Season 18's putrid "Marge Gamer". I imagine this one will be just as putrid.

[Reply #52 on:]

Not surprising that Viclace is from New Jersey.

Shut up with your putrid stereotypes!

Stum, I don't think he was seriously offending her.

He should be. Victoria Lacey's eleven-year-old sister promised to post pictures of herself, and while I don't think that most of us are actually disappointed, Freako definitely will be.

Anyway, I recently finished rewatching Season 9, so I guess I might as well rate each episode.

The City of New York vs. Homer Simpson - 9/10
The Principal and the Pauper - 5/10
Lisa's Sax - 8/10
Treehouse of Horror VIII - 7/10
The Cartridge Family - 8.5/10
Bart Star - 8/10
The Two Mrs. Nahasapeemapetilons - 6/10
Lisa the Skeptic - 7.5/10
Realty Bites - 8/10
Miracle on Evergreen Terrace - 7.5/10
All Singing, All Dancing - 3/10
Bart Carny - 6.5/10
The Joy of Sect - 8/10
Das Bus - 7.5/10
The Last Temptation of Krust - 8/10
Dumbbell Indemnity - 8.5/10
Lisa the Simpson - 9/10
This Little Wiggy - 8.5/10
Simpson Tide - 6.5/10
The Trouble with Trillions - 7/10
Girly Edition - 9/10
Trash of the Titans - 8/10
King of the Hill - 7.5/10
Lost Our Lisa - 8.5/10
Natural Born Kissers - 8.5/10

[Reply #53 on:]

I like to rate things, so I'm going to be insufferable and do that to with all of the seasons I've recently rewatched.

Starting with season 3 (I'm afraid I don't have 1 or 2 on DVD, so I skipped over them, this time).


Stark Raving Dad - 8/10
Mr. Lisa Goes to Washington - 8/10
When Flanders Failed - 8/10
Bart the Murderer - 8/10
Homer Defined - 8/10
Like Father, Like Clown - 7.5/10
Treehouse of Horror II - 8/10
Lisa's Pony - 8.5/10
Saturdays of Thunder - 8/10  
Flaming Moe's - 8.5/10
Burns Verkaufen der Kraftwerk - 8.5/10
I Married Marge - 8.5/10
Radio Bart - 9/10
Lisa the Greek - 8/10
Homer Alone - 7.5/10 (worst)
Bart the Lover - 8/10
Homer at the Bat - 9/10 (best)
Separate Vocations - 9/10
Dog of Death - 8/10
Colonel Homer - 7.5/10
Black Widower - 8.5/10
The Otto Show - 8/10
Bart's Friend Falls in Love - 8.5/10
Brother, Can You Spare Two Dimes? - 8.5/10



Season 4:

Kamp Krusty - 9/10
A Streetcar Named Marge - 8/10
Homer the Heretic - 9.5/10
Lisa the Beauty Queen - 8/10
Treehouse of Horror III - 8.5/10
Itchy & Scratchy: The Movie - 8.5/10
Marge Gets a Job - 8/10
New Kid on the Block - 8/10
Mr. Plow - 8.5/10
Lisa's First Word - 9/10
Homer's Triple Bypass - 8.5/10
Marge vs. the Monorail - 10/10 (best)
Selma's Choice - 8.5/10
Brother from the Same Planet - 9/10
I Love Lisa - 8.5/10
Duffless - 8/10
Last Exit to Springfield - 10/10
So It's Come to This: A Simpsons Clip Show - 6/10 (worst)
The Front - 8.5/10
Whacking Day - 8/10
Marge in Chains - 8/10
Krusty Gets Kancelled - 8/10



Season 5:

Homer's Barbershop Quartet - 8/10
Cape Feare - 10/10
Homer Goes to College - 8/10
Rosebud - 8.5/10
Treehouse of Horror IV - 10/10 (best)
Marge on the Lam - 9/10
Bart's Inner Child - 8/10
Boy Scoutz 'n the Hood - 9/10
The Last Temptation of Homer - 8/10
$pringfield (or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Legalized Gambling) - 9/10
Homer the Vigilante - 8/10 (worst)
Bart Gets Famous - 8.5/10
Homer and Apu - 9/10
Lisa vs. Malibu Stacy - 8/10
Deep Space Homer - 9/10
Homer Loves Flanders - 8/10
Bart Gets an Elephant - 9/10
Burns' Heir - 8.5/10
Sweet Seymour Skinner's Baadasssss Song - 9/10
The Boy Who Knew Too Much - 9/10
Lady Bouvier's Lover - 8/10
Secrets of a Successful Marriage - 8.5/10



Season 6:

Bart of Darkness - 10/10
Lisa's Rival - 8/10
Another Simpsons Clip Show - 5/10 (worst)
Itchy & Scratchy Land - 9/10
Sideshow Bob Roberts - 9/10
Treehouse of Horror V - 10/10
Bart's Girlfriend - 8.5/10
Lisa on Ice - 8/10
Homer Badman - 9.5/10
Grampa vs. Sexual Inadequacy - 8/10
Fear of Flying - 7.5/10
Homer the Great - 10/10
And Maggie Makes Three - 9/10
Bart's Comet - 9.5/10
Homie the Clown - 10/10
Bart vs. Australia - 10/10
Homer vs. Patty and Selma - 8.5/10
A Star is Burns - 8/10
Lisa's Wedding - 9/10
Two Dozen and One Greyhounds - 9/10
The PTA Disbands - 8/10
'Round Springfield - 7.5/10
The Springfield Connection - 8.5/10
Lemon of Troy - 10/10
Who Shot Mr. Burns?: Part 1 - 10/10 (best)



Season 7:

Who Shot Mr. Burns?: Part 2 - 10/10 (best)
Radioactive Man - 8.5/10
Home Sweet Home-Diddily-Dum-Doodily - 9/10
Bart Sells His Soul - 9.5/10
Lisa the Vegetarian - 7/10
Treehouse of Horror VI - 9/10
King Size Homer - 8.5/10
Mother Simpson - 8/10
Sideshow Bob's Last Gleaming - 9/10
The Simpsons 138th Episode Spectacular - 7/10 (worst)
Marge Be Not Proud - 9/10
Team Homer - 8.5/10
Two Bad Neighbors - 9/10
Scenes from the Class Struggle in Springfield - 8/10
Bart the Fink - 7.5/10
Lisa the Iconoclast - 9/10
Homer the Smithers - 9/10
The Day the Violence Died - 8/10
A Fish Called Selma - 8/10
Bart on the Road - 10/10
22 Short Films About Springfield - 9/10
Raging Abe Simpson and His Grumbling Grandson in 'The Curse of the Flying Hellfish' - 9/10
Much Apu About Nothing - 8.5/10
Homerpalooza - 8/10
Summer of 4 Ft. 2 - 8/10



Season 8:

Treehouse of Horror VII - 8/10
You Only Move Twice - 10/10 (best)
The Homer They Fall - 8.5/10
Burns, Baby Burns - 7.5/10
Bart After Dark - 8/10
A Milhouse Divided - 7.5/10
Lisa's Date with Density - 8/10
Hurricane Neddy - 7.5/10
El Viaje Misterioso de Nuestro Homer - 8/10
The Springfield Files - 8/10
The Twisted World of Marge Simpson - 8/10
Mountain of Madness - 9/10
Simpsoncalifragilisticexpiala-Annoyed-Grunt-cious - 8/10
The Itchy & Scratchy & Poochie Show - 8/10
Homer's Phobia - 8/10
Brother from Another Series - 10/10
My Sister, My Sitter - 8/10
Homer vs. the 18th Amendment - 8/10
Grade School Confidential - 8/10
The Canine Mutiny - 8/10
The Old Man and the Lisa - 8/10
In Marge We Trust - 10/10
Homer's Enemy - 8/10
The Simpsons Spin-Off Showcase - 7/10 (worst)
The Secret War of Lisa Simpson - 8/10



Season 9:

The City of New York vs. Homer Simpson - 7.5/10
The Principal and the Pauper - 7.5/10
Lisa's Sax - 8/10
Treehouse of Horror VIII - 8/10
The Cartridge Family - 8.5/10
Bart Star - 7.5/10
The Two Mrs. Nahasapeemapetilons - 7.5/10
Lisa the Skeptic - 8/10
Realty Bites - 8/10
Miracle on Evergreen Terrace - 8/10
All Singing, All Dancing - 6/10
Bart Carny - 8/10
The Joy of Sect - 8/10
Das Bus - 7.5/10
The Last Temptation of Krust - 7.5/10
Dumbbell Indemnity - 7.5/10
Lisa the Simpson - 8/10
This Little Wiggy - 8/10
Simpson Tide - 6.5/10 (worst)
The Trouble with Trillions - 7/10
Girly Edition - 7.5/10
Trash of the Titans - 8/10
King of the Hill - 8/10
Lost Our Lisa - 8/10
Natural Born Kissers - 8.5/10 (best)



Season 10:

Lard of the Dance - 8/10
The Wizard of Evergreen Terrace - 8/10
Bart the Mother - 8/10
Treehouse of Horror IX - 9/10 (best)
When You Dish Upon a Star - 8/10
D'oh-in' in the Wind - 7.5/10
Lisa Gets an 'A' - 7.5/10
Homer Simpson in: 'Kidney Trouble' - 7.5/10
Mayored to the Mob - 8/10
Viva Ned Flanders - 8/10
Wild Barts Can't Be Broken - 8/10
Sunday, Cruddy Sunday - 7/10
Homer to the Max - 8/10
I'm with Cupid - 8/10
Marge Simpson in 'Screaming Yellow Honkers' - 7.5/10
Make Room for Lisa - 8/10
Maximum Homerdrive - 8/10
Simpsons Bible Stories - 7/10
Mom and Pop Art - 8/10
The Old Man and the 'C' Student - 7.5/10
Monty Can't Buy My Love - 7/10 (worst)
They Saved Lisa's Brain - 8/10
Thirty Minutes Over Tokyo - 8/10



Season 11:

Beyond Blunderdome - 7/10
Brother's Little Helper - 6.5/10
Guess Who's Comign to Criticize Dinner? - 6.5/10
Treehouse of Horror X - 7/10
E-I-E-I-(Annoyed Grunt) - 7/10 (best)
Hello Gutter, Hello Fadder - 7/10
Eight Misbehavin' - 6.5/10
Take My Wife, Sleaze - 7/10
Grift of the Magi - 7/10
Little Big Mom - 6.5/10
Faith Off - 6.5/10
The Mansion Family - 7/10
Saddlesore Galactica - 5/10 (worst)
Alone Again, Natura-Diddly - 6.5/10
Missionary: Impossible - 6/10
Pygmoelian - 7/10
Bart to the Future - 7/10
Days of Wine and D'oh'ses - 7/10
Kill the Alligator and Run - 7/10
Last Tap Dance in Springfield - 7/10
It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad Marge - 7/10
Behind the Laughter - 7/10


Season 12 to follow, once I've watched it all, again.

[Reply #54 on:]

I wonder cyber_turnip, are those ratings by Simpsons' or general standards? I feel there are a lot worse episodes coming up, and you have already given out a 5.

[Reply #55 on:]

Why do you hate Simpson Tide but love Marge vs. the Monorail, when that episode could easily be described as "trying too hard to be funny"?

[Reply #56 on:]

I wonder cyber_turnip, are those ratings by Simpsons' or general standards? I feel there are a lot worse episodes coming up, and you have already given out a 5.

They're by general standards. I completely agree that the show gets a lot worse. I think it goes far beyond a 5/10 rating. I've given a few episodes of the show 2/10.

Why do you hate Simpson Tide but love Marge vs. the Monorail, when that episode could easily be described as "trying too hard to be funny"?

6.5/10 doesn't mean that I hate it. It's just crap compared to everything else that the show had done up until that point.

I don't hate "Marge vs. the Monorail" because it's an excellent, excellent episode. What a silly question. I don't think you could say it's trying too hard, at all. Everything about the episode feels effortless.

[Reply #57 on:]

What's the difference, though? How do you know that "Tide" is trying too hard, while "MVM" is effortless.

[Reply #58 on:]

What's the difference, though? How do you know that "Tide" is trying too hard, while "MVM" is effortless.

It's not that he knows. It's not written in stone, it's just his opinion. IMO, " Tide" was pretty good, but I wouldn't say it's great.

[Reply #59 on:]

What's the difference, though?

It's not that it tries too hard (necessarily), but it's just stupid with some aspects and not so well-written as a whole, whereas "Monorail" simply works and is funny at the same time without feeling like a crazy adventure.

[Reply #60 on:]

I don't see how MVTM was trying too hard to be funny. It has a good storyline and some very funny jokes. Lyle Landley is one of my favorite one-time Simpsons characters.

Also, I'm going to Movie Stop and buying some of the classic seasons on DVD after work. So far, I have Seasons 1, 2, 6, 8, 9, and 10 on DVD. For some reason I never bought 3, 4, 5, or 7. I'm definitely looking forward to rewatching those seasons, as I haven't seen some of them in years.

[Reply #61 on:]

The show's first major casualty

https://twitter.com/frankdecaroshow/status/393987742763585536

[Reply #62 on:]

I like to rate things, so I'm going to be insufferable and do that to with all of the seasons I've recently rewatched.

Season 11:

Beyond Blunderdome - 7/10
Brother's Little Helper - 6.5/10
Guess Who's Comign to Criticize Dinner? - 6.5/10
Treehouse of Horror X - 7/10
E-I-E-I-(Annoyed Grunt) - 7/10 (best)
Hello Gutter, Hello Fadder - 7/10
Eight Misbehavin' - 6.5/10
Take My Wife, Sleaze - 7/10
Grift of the Magi - 7/10
Little Big Mom - 6.5/10
Faith Off - 6.5/10
The Mansion Family - 7/10
Saddlesore Galactica - 5/10 (worst)
Alone Again, Natura-Diddly - 6.5/10
Missionary: Impossible - 6/10
Pygmoelian - 7/10
Bart to the Future - 7/10
Days of Wine and D'oh'ses - 7/10
Kill the Alligator and Run - 7/10
Last Tap Dance in Springfield - 7/10
It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad Marge - 7/10
Behind the Laughter - 7/10

I guess we can all agree that Season 11 is the worst season of Old Simpsons (1-12) then.

[Reply #63 on:]

The show's first major casualty

https://twitter.com/frankdecaroshow/status/393987742763585536

Wow, I'm surprised. I wonder if the producers will retire Mrs. Krabappel (like they did with Troy McClure and Lionel Hutz when Phil Hartman died), or if they'll just replace her with another voice actress.

[Reply #64 on:]

Well, one character is going to be killed off... and she has won an Emmy.

[Reply #65 on:]

The show's first major casualty

https://twitter.com/frankdecaroshow/status/393987742763585536

Second. Phil Hartman was first.


But yeah... this is going to be really odd if Edna was the character they were planning to kill off.

Either, they already recorded the episode and it'll end up being a really strange episode dedicated to her passing.

Or, they haven't recorded it yet and, ironically, her death, will prevent them from doing the episode.


As for Edna in the show, I imagine they'll just retire the character, like they did with Troy McClure and Lionel Hutz - but that might be problematic because they're bound to want to do scenes with Bart in class.

Maybe they'll age Bart up the the next grade so that he can have a new teacher.

I can't see them replacing the voice of Edna. They did it with Lunchlady Doris (eventually, after retiring her for a long while), but she was always a much more minor character with a much less distinctive voice, so it's not really the same.

[Reply #66 on:]

The show's first major casualty

https://twitter.com/frankdecaroshow/status/393987742763585536

What I guess might have happened is Marcia got really ill and told the producers a year or more ago she wanted her character Edna to be killed off. Just a theory, in case I'm wrong.

[Reply #67 on:]

I don't see what you could do with Edna being killed off.

[Reply #68 on:]

I'd be going with that theory if Al Jean hadn't have said that the actor that voices the character didn't even know about their death, yet.

That doesn't sound like something they were planning with her due to ill health.


As for what the show could get out of Edna dying - well, it depends on the context of her death really. You'd get another episode about Ned Flanders losing his wife. That could be brilliant if they handled it properly - which they, obviously, won't.

You could also get an episode out of Bart being genuinely upset by losing his teacher despite, you know, never being on the best of terms with her.

[Reply #69 on:]

I forgot Edna was Ned's wife, but that just sounds like "Alone Again Natura-Diddly 2" to me.

[Reply #70 on:]

Yeah, but they could really play on the dark humour of life dealing Ned such a shit hand. They could get a lot of stuff out of it all happening again, if they handled it properly, which, as I said, they obviously won't.

Or, they could do something interesting and have Ned denounce god and become an atheist.

Has that happened in the show, yet? It feels like something they would have made an episode about.

[Reply #71 on:]

Not surprising that Viclace is from New Jersey.

Shut up with your putrid stereotypes!

"Putrid"

This is why I like you, stum.  

(Since New Jersey is known for all their landfills.)

[Reply #72 on:]

Edna was not the character that was to be killed off.

Source https://www.facebook.com/TheSimpsons (latest post)

Statement from executive producer Al Jean, on behalf of The Simpsons:

I was tremendously saddened to learn this morning of the passing of the brilliant and gracious Marcia Wallace. She was beloved by all at "The Simpsons" and we intend to retire her irreplaceable character.

Earlier we had discussed a potential storyline in which a character passed away. This was not Marcia's Edna Krabappel. Marcia's passing is unrelated and again, a terrible loss for all who had the pleasure of knowing her.

[Reply #73 on:]

This presumably means that we'll never see Bart in class again, though, which is a bit strange - that's going to make things harder for the writers, surely?

Unless they bring a new teacher in or finally put him into the next grade, like I suggested - though, that would also require Lisa being moved forwards and getting a new teacher.

[Reply #74 on:]

This presumably means that we'll never see Bart in class again, though, which is a bit strange - that's going to make things harder for the writers, surely?

Unless they bring a new teacher in or finally put him into the next grade, like I suggested - though, that would also require Lisa being moved forwards and getting a new teacher.

It does make me wonder what they'll exactly do to 'retire' her.

Bart moving up to the next grade is a good idea, but I don't think they'll do that because Edna is married to Ned, so even if they did that we'd still most likely see Edna (unless they retire Ned too, which is obviously doubtful).

I think they'll just have her leave Springfield or something.

The only other option I can think of would be to have her present but never speak (like Lionel Hutz), but that would feel quite awkward IMO.

[Reply #75 on:]

I'm thinking that she'll become a nonspeaking character, like Milhouse's mom did after Maggie Roswell left the show. It's also possible that she'll be replaced with another teacher, but I think the former is more likely.

It's also possible that another female voice actress (like Maggie Roswell) will do the voice, but I don't know if anyone can sound enough like Marcia Wallace.

[Reply #76 on:]

Lionel Hutz's appearances after Season 9:

A Tale of Two Springfields
Moe Baby Blues
My Big Fat Geek Wedding
See Homer Run
The Simpsons Movie

Troy McClure's appearances after Season 9:

Gump Roast
Moe Baby Blues

[Reply #77 on:]

Actually, Troy McClure's final speaking appearance was in Season 10 (although that episode was part of the 9th production season, if that's what you mean).

[Reply #78 on:]

I meant to put "after Phil Hartman's death", but I thought that'd seem clumsy.

I think Troy McClure might have another non-speaking appearance in "Steal This Episode". What does everyone think?

*waits for it*

[Reply #79 on:]

This presumably means that we'll never see Bart in class again, though, which is a bit strange - that's going to make things harder for the writers, surely?

Unless they bring a new teacher in or finally put him into the next grade, like I suggested - though, that would also require Lisa being moved forwards and getting a new teacher.

That might not be such a bad idea, Ms Hoover's always been a pretty useless character