JJ Abrams is a (visionary/disgrace) who must be (commended/stopped): Star Trek

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I just finally finished watching Deep Space Nine.
All well and good. I liked the serial format that the show took on, especially in the last season. Everything was nice and epic.
One nitpick though:

Show spoiler

Sisko's grand destiny, the thing he was created by the Prophets and guided his whole life to do.... was to crash-tackle Dukat into a pit of fire? That's it? Really?

That felt a bit rushed and tacked-on. Needed to be more dramatic, not something that anybody else could have done just as easily.

Will be proceeding on to Voyager next.

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I watched TNG, DS9 and VOY together at cronological order using Memory Alpha as a guide , it made it more entertainment..

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Star Wars prequels review guy reviews latest Star Trek:
http://redlettermedia.blip.tv/file/4069271/
http://redlettermedia.blip.tv/file/4069458/

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And nails it.

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Just finished part one.  Biggest laugh?

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they just took TNG off weeknights where i live. And they got rid of TOS on another channel. Damn You KTLA and KOCE!!! I have TOS on dvd....but i like watching it on tv. Is that weird?

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Quoted from [ahem] another thread:

   DS9 - I thought this would devolve into a 'alien through the wormhole' every week type thing, but this is one of the strongest series, if not the most. Avery Brookes was an inspired piece of casting, with those eyes and that voice. Andrew Robinson (Garrick) was a surprise character which turn out to be a lynchpin, and Mark Alaimo bought another of the best villains, Dukat, to life. Strong stories, not too much time travel (bleh), and a great finale.

DS9 was my favourite ST series and Garrick was my favourite DS9 character. (Wanna hazard a guess what my favourite DS9 episode is?)

Speaking of DS9, does anyone know the name of the episode where Quark rescues Kira and co. by out gunning the two Jem'Hadar guards who were guarding them in a showdown, much to everyone's astonishment.

   Voyager - nice idea, but flawed from the start. Still, they did their best within the story limitations. Series saved by the Doctor and Seven, Jeri Ryan not just looking incredibly hot, but turning her character back into a human being with real emotion. Series finale was the biggest letdown in the franchise, not only more damned time travel but emotionally unsatisfying as well. Oh look, they got home. I was just wanting it to be over by the end, so big whoop.

Actually I thought the episode where they were first able to contact home had more emotional impact than the finale did. (Still, at least it wasn't as bad as the ending to Blake's 7!)

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Okay, I'm going to say that Voyager was and is the best "Star Trek"-series ever made, with TNG coming in a close 2nd place.

Voyager had the best captain, better-than-average characters, and okay writers.
DS9 was for me in the wrong format, these 6-ish long story arcs and puttin' it all on a space station. I never liked Quark. I'm more a fan of the starship-format-esque shows.
Call me an idiot, but I didn't like DS9 that much.

Quoted from [ahem] another thread:

   DS9 - I thought this would devolve into a 'alien through the wormhole' every week type thing, but this is one of the strongest series, if not the most. Avery Brookes was an inspired piece of casting, with those eyes and that voice. Andrew Robinson (Garrick) was a surprise character which turn out to be a lynchpin, and Mark Alaimo bought another of the best villains, Dukat, to life. Strong stories, not too much time travel (bleh), and a great finale.

   Voyager - nice idea, but flawed from the start. Still, they did their best within the story limitations. Series saved by the Doctor and Seven, Jeri Ryan not just looking incredibly hot, but turning her character back into a human being with real emotion. Series finale was the biggest letdown in the franchise, not only more damned time travel but emotionally unsatisfying as well. Oh look, they got home. I was just wanting it to be over by the end, so big whoop.

Actually I thought the episode where they were first able to contact home had more emotional impact than the finale did. (Still, at least it wasn't as bad as the ending to Blake's 7!)

To mention what El-Man said, "Endgame" was for me a good episode, but it did not quite have that feel of a series finale. But it was good. Would have liked to see just 5 minutes or so with crew reactions of getting home, like the theme of "Family".

hobbitboy, are you thinking of "Pathfinder" or...

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Okay, I'm going to say that Voyager was and is the best "Star Trek"-series ever made...

DS9 was my favourite ST series...

Both of you please kill yourselves immediately.  The Original Series is the best of all the Star Trek programs, period. 

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I don't think TOS was as clever as TNG.  Personally.  TNG was a pretty bright television show (of course, entirely ruined by its four films that were made later).

DS9 was an interesting take on Star Trek and it allowed for the long and multiple story arcs, but maybe it was too unlike Star Trek for some's liking.

VOG was fun for its more brutal captain, but not as clever as TNG was.  And while ENT was actually a nice call back to the original style of TOS, it got very bad by season 4 and am I glad it got canned.

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Okay, I'm going to say that Voyager was and is the best "Star Trek"-series ever made...

DS9 was my favourite ST series...

Both of you please kill yourselves immediately.  The Original Series is the best of all the Star Trek programs, period.  

I'm sorry, but I just can't appreciate TOS for the amazingly written show it perhaps was. The  bad "Special Effects" and all that just distracts me. I guess I'm too "shallow" in that matter.

About TNG being clever. How do you mean that it was more "clever"?

I just finally finished watching Deep Space Nine.
All well and good. I liked the serial format that the show took on, especially in the last season. Everything was nice and epic.
One nitpick though:

Show spoiler

Sisko's grand destiny, the thing he was created by the Prophets and guided his whole life to do.... was to crash-tackle Dukat into a pit of fire? That's it? Really?

That felt a bit rushed and tacked-on. Needed to be more dramatic, not something that anybody else could have done just as easily.

Will be proceeding on to Voyager next.

I suggest that you start your "ST: Voyager"-experience by watching "Threshold", "Ex Post Facto", "Elogium", "Twisted" and all those fantastic and truly amazing episodes. You should avoid "Scorpion", "Caretaker", "Year of Hell", and all those. They're crap.

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Voyager pussified the Borg and for that I will *never* forgive it.

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"Oh Myyyyy"

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Voyager pussified the Borg and for that I will *never* forgive it.

It did a bit at that, but don't forget that colony of whiney liberated Borg in TNG who were pussy enough to be ordered about by Lore. They were hard to take seriously after that.

Peh. Well I watched all of Voyager. Is Enterprise worth getting into?

We need a new Trek TV show.

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You know, we keep hearing about how the estates of Elvis and Jimi Hendrix are making multi millions off of their stuff after they've been dead for decades.  I wonder how much the estate of Gene Roddenberry is making, with all the Star Trek series in syndication.  There's not an hour that goes by that a Star Trek episode isn't playing somewhere iin the world.

they just took TNG off weeknights where i live. And they got rid of TOS on another channel. Damn You KTLA and KOCE!!! I have TOS on dvd....but i like watching it on tv. Is that weird?

No, it's not wierd.  It's like watching it again for the first time.  What about KDOC?  They play a lot of reruns...

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Voyager pussified the Borg

Hell yeah.

and for that I will *never* forgive it.

Oh, you meant the bad kind of pussify.

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they just took TNG off weeknights where i live. And they got rid of TOS on another channel. Damn You KTLA and KOCE!!! I have TOS on dvd....but i like watching it on tv. Is that weird?

No, it's not wierd.  It's like watching it again for the first time.  What about KDOC?  They play a lot of reruns...

Yes that was a while ago. On KDOC they have TNG at 10 pm followed by TOS at 11 pm which is the best order imo. TOS is so cheesy it's like ther comic relief for TNG

The borg weren't pussified by Lore I thought it was because of how that one Borg was friends with Reading Rainbow (sorry can't spell his name) remembered what had happened and helped lay the groundwork? i unno

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      Actually I thought the episode where they were first able to contact home had more emotional impact than the finale did. (Still, at least it wasn't as bad as the ending to Blake's 7!)

   To mention what El-Man said, "Endgame" was for me a good episode, but it did not quite have that feel of a series finale. But it was good. Would have liked to see just 5 minutes or so with crew reactions of getting home, like the theme of "Family".

   hobbitboy, are you thinking of "Pathfinder" or...

Yes, (after looking it up on the internet I can now say that) Pathfinder was the episode to which I was referring.

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Hell yeah.

What's lame about Voyager is that the planned Seven/Janeway lesbian romance was never done because the shithead homophobe producers thought it would be too controversial. *That* is what should never be forgiven.

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TOS is so cheesy it's like ther comic relief for TNG

My favorite part of TOS is when they cut to the stunt double for Shatner (with that iconic TOS music that they played in the Clawplaw scene of "Why Must I Be a Crustacean in Love?"); some guy who's 6" taller than him, with totally different hair & body.  That's what happens when you have $25 and a six pack of beer in your episode's stunt budget...

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www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&client=mv-google&hl=en&v=aXcP4Pjgvuc

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What's lame about Voyager is that the planned Seven/Janeway lesbian romance was never done because the shithead homophobe producers thought it would be too controversial. *That* is what should never be forgiven.

...

Too controversial? Too dumb, more like it.

And what they did to Q was much worse than what they did to the borg.

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I think that VOY was my favorite.

My least favorite character IMO has to be Seven of Nine. I liked Kes more. Seven was a nice addition to the cast at first... Then, the producers turned VOY into the "SevenOfNineWithTheAtFirstSeriousThenRogueCaptain… ager"  

I'm still calling it my favorite, but Seven became the star of everything. And Janeway… She went "Rambo" in the later seasons. But still... Voyager had some great stories. The "reset button" wasn't anything that I thought 'bout. Though some more continuity could've been better.

Well, I'd better stop whinin' and do somethin' else. 

Others have said it: "You could cut the sexual tension on Voyager with a knife". That's pretty much how it was.

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www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&client=mv-google&hl=en&v=aXcP4Pjgvuc

Wow.  Wesley Crusher grew up...

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Do you watch "The big bang theory"?

Weathon appears sometimes there as a villain version of Himself and that shirt came from there

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Nope; never seen it.

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Then maybe you should.

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Wow.  Wesley Crusher grew up...

Or old... and weird. Who cares about his shirt?

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Wow.  Wesley Crusher grew up...

He made a YouTube vid about a shirt... Wow.
TNG got a lot better without him.
Or old... and weird. Who cares about his shirt?

He made a vid about his shirt... Wow.

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Was Star Trek prop makers just lazier?

More than a decade earlier, and made for television.
Eat my arse, Lucas-lover.

Awesome vid, Ralph.

Star Destroyers are indeed armed with shields,

I'm going to assume their invisibility means they're weaker.

And they have, like, 20 or 40 turbolaser cannons. Which are big.

Big and gay. Phaser beats laser and turbobeats turbolaser. Lasers just burn things. Phasers.... phase things.

And it will win the battle because Star Trek ships look silly.

You look silly.
There would be a lengthy battle with both vessels severely damaged until Enterprise ejects her critical warp core into the Destroyer's path and fucks off while the thing goes nova. The Destroyer wouldn't back off from the exploding core because they'd all be like "Retreat? At our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances!" And Kirk would be fucking Leia.
NERDGASM!

I completely agree.

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Do you watch "The big bang theory"?

Weathon appears sometimes there as a villain version of Himself and that shirt came from there

WHEATON!!!!!!!!!

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Just watched the whole night Star Trek, to be detailed Star Trek VI in the evening.  A
Saw it the first time (shame on me, it cabled+sattelited last year too and I missed it) .
Now I can be happy because I also have this great milestone of science-fiction on video!
And through the night I watched Star Trek Voyager, but I don't think it's that great. TOS entertains me a lot more.

The only good thing about Voyager is Seven of Nine. Umm... Nothing.

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Just watched the whole night Star Trek, to be detailed Star Trek VI in the evening.  A
Saw it the first time (shame on me, it cabled+sattelited last year too and I missed it) .
Now I can be happy because I also have this great milestone of science-fiction on video!
And through the night I watched Star Trek Voyager, but I don't think it's that great. TOS entertains me a lot more.

The only good thing about Voyager is Seven of Nine. Umm... Nothing.

Actually... I guess the best part about Voyager is that it's the closest star trek to Enterprise.  In terms of when they were created/aired I mean.  It's not nearly as good as Enterprise and really can't be compared in any way.  Also, even in the future, females cannot be captains... Voyager was doing it wrong.

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You're right winna (about the term that it's the closest to TOS), but I like TNG still more than Voyager because it is ... (at least) ... uhmm ... succesfull. Saw the first few  pisodes of Voyager and was confused, because it wasn't a classical start for a science-fiction series. Actually it bores me relatively much for science fiction. I even slept in front of the TV that night, and the volume wasn't low (had it on the stereo!).

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Here's a challenge for you. Find two episodes in which Janeway has the same characterization.

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Uhmm... oh a really hard question, Xanfor!
Those space wierdos always get in trouble with the holodeck or are hypnotized by aliens...
Noo, for real? it's been more than one year since I saw the 1st episode, that was the first one of the two, right?

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I actually was looking for this, Thank you Bend-err.

Star Trek Rules! (Sometimes, like now, for example.)

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I think that VOY was my favorite.

My least favorite character IMO has to be Seven of Nine. I liked Kes more. Seven was a nice addition to the cast at first... Then, the producers turned VOY into the "SevenOfNineWithTheAtFirstSeriousThenRogueCaptain… ager" 

I'm still calling it my favorite, but Seven became the star of everything. And Janeway… She went "Rambo" in the later seasons. But still... Voyager had some great stories. The "reset button" wasn't anything that I thought 'bout. Though some more continuity could've been better.

Well, I'd better stop whinin' and do somethin' else. 

Others have said it: "You could cut the sexual tension on Voyager with a knife". That's pretty much how it was.

I'm the complete opposite. I think Voyager was the worst series but Seven was the best character in it. The show lacked interesting characters imo, the only other good characters in it were the doctor and to a lesser extent Tuvok. Neelix has got to be one of the most pointless, annoying characters of all time.

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DS9 and Voyager are my personal favourites.

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I did not fucking vote for Deep Space 9 in this poll.  This is bullshit.

Anyways, my roommate recently got interested in watching all of TNG, so we've been going through episodes in season 1 and reading reviews on AV club along with the episodes. 

Strangely enough.... despite many of the plots and characterizations in the earlier seasons being completely fucking retarded, I still find myself rather able to completely suspend disbelief and just zone out with the episode.  This is much how I've ever watched any Star Trek series.... except Enterprise... which is clearly the best.