Star Wars: The Thread Strikes Back

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You also said you watched that Jar-Jar parody trailer which was literally THE ENTIRE TRAILER FOR THE MOVIE just with Jar-Jar CGI'd over the scenes, so you can't say you didn't see any trailers at all, really.

[Reply #641 on:]

Here's the original working cut of a battle scene in Ep I, on-board the Federation command ship.  The starfighter pilots are attacking and getting their butts kicked, when suddenly there's a commotion inside that hanger that destroys the ship from the inside out.  This was later altered to add Jake Lord in the golden fighter, scooting aimlessly about the hanger and destroying everyone and everything through random blasts from his ship's laser canon.

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In all seriousness, I feel that it's inconsiderate and irresponsible to be lighting off fireworks with pets around, but I couldn't keep from laughing my ass off at the total karma for the asshats involved.

[Reply #642 on:]

I never said what I thought of The Force Awakens. I went to the cinema to see it back in December (but not on opening day). I thought it was brilliant. Yes there are similarities to A New Hope, but it felt fresh enough to me and it's far better than any of the prequels. I didn't see it coming either, Han Solo getting killed, that shocked me. Looking forward to the next one. Not sure what to make of the other films about the characters, will have to wait and see how they turn out.

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No one posted it yet, but you've probably heard Forest Whitaker is playing

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Saw Gerrara

from The Clone Wars TV series in Rogue One. Also, the other Rogue One characters had their names revealed.

[Reply #644 on:]

So, is Rogue One some way related to sequel trilogy? I mean, it's like a theatrical stand-alone film, but it's coming now between episodes VII and VIII.

Aparently they said it ends about 10m right before Ep IV

there is been rumors about disney execs not liking a preview pass and ordering to reshot a lot of the movie as they consider it too dark ... the reshoting is happening but thats common with most movies.. no confirmation of the "too dark" thing.. except a declaration that they wanted to light it up a bit so its more in tone with A new hope since it directly runs into it

As far as i know it wont be related to the Sequel trilogy..unless a Rogue One character shows up in episodes VIII and IX ..or some character from VII shows.. wich for now seems unlikely..as the only known faces come from the Clone Wars series

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So Disney have revealed the first image of Star Wars theme parks. Looks interesting.

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I'm so excited for this film.

[Reply #647 on:]

Looks cool

I recognise one of the locations too; 1m3s in is at Cardington Airship hangers in Bedfordshire. I've been past them a few times

[Reply #648 on:]

Trailer Rebels season 3..

MUST WATCH..


THEY DID IT!

FINALLY!

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- Now Wedge was an imperial pilot who defected (rather than a smuggler)
- Y-Wings get into the rebel fleet
- Are those shadow troopers?
- TIE Interceptors with red stripes... 181st squadron? Baron Fel?

and of course:

THRAWN

Gran Admiral Thrawn.. nearly straight from the Zhan books.. studying art and breaking havoc in the rebelion ... and of course that means Thrawn is now canon..
lets hope they use him well.. and not turn him into some short of overconfident silly admiral.. Filoni knows how much respected and beloved Thrawn is..

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Awww, foo!  Maybe I can find it elsewhere.

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Awww, foo!  Maybe I can find it elsewhere.

it works in my firefox...

anyway here is direct url:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmXp802sFgQ

[Reply #651 on:]

That works!  Thank you very much, Javier.  I'll watch it at home tonight.

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Hopefully they include the EU stuff about the development of the Death Star in the Maw cluster. I want to see Admiral Daala at some point.

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EU stuff would be pretty cool.  What's the realistic expectation of Disney wielding the power of the force canon in that manner?

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Hopefully they include the EU stuff about the development of the Death Star in the Maw cluster. I want to see Admiral Daala at some point.

really doubt it...

Actually it even seems the planet the Death Star will be over during construction wont be Despire (the one in the EU) .. tought it would be a nice throw if the empire would fire test against the planet in the movie ... as in the EU the DS superlaser was tested destroying Despire

[Reply #656 on:]

It's already confirmed that Scarif is where the Death Star was constructed in the new canon. Scarif is the new planet seen in all the Rogue One trailers that consists of beaches and lots of water.

[Reply #657 on:]

Why would you build a weapon to blow up planets?  Surely there are simpler/cheaper ways/methods to frighten/subdue/destroy your enemies/friends/family, right?

[Reply #658 on:]

Why would you build a weapon to blow up planets?  Surely there are simpler/cheaper ways/methods to frighten/subdue/destroy your enemies/friends/family, right?

But then we wouldnt get star wars would we?

[Reply #659 on:]

Wars with actual stars?  I am unsure as to why not.

Also, what company was contracted to build the death star anyways?  Probably the lowest bidder, right?

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It's already confirmed that Scarif is where the Death Star was constructed in the new canon.

So they build it in orbit around a nice, beachy, planet and presumably conduct a test-firing which disintegrates said planet. Despite Tarkin having said in the first film that he had chosen to "test [the Death Star's] destructive power" on Alderaan. This is going to destroy established and EU canon, isn't it?

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So they build it in orbit around a nice, beachy, planet and presumably conduct a test-firing which disintegrates said planet.

I doubt it, but who knows. People are already complaining about the Death Star's big round dish being installed in the trailer when it's already on the frame at the end of Revenge of the Sith.

Also, considering the Empire probably have a shit tonne of resources, buildings, ships, weapons, staff & whatnot on Scarif, I doubt they'd blow it up.

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So they build it in orbit around a nice, beachy, planet and presumably conduct a test-firing which disintegrates said planet.

I doubt it, but who knows. People are already complaining about the Death Star's big round dish being installed in the trailer when it's already on the frame at the end of Revenge of the Sith.

Revenge's Death Star is the prototype, though. It's the baby testbed built alongside the actual Death Star. Proof of Concept, etc (and that's canon according to Lucasfilm and Disney. The new canon erases the Maw Installation, sadly. Although that means Qui Xux has been deleted. Yay!

The Death Star was built alongside the prototype, and transferred to Scarif for completion according to Wookieepedia. This was done in order to use the planet Scarif as the source of raw materials. The world was transformed into a military base during this process. Geonosis had become a problematic location to ship material to, and the asteroid mining wasn't proving a rich source. The planet itself was also resource-poor.

Even if the Death Star's main focusing dish was installed in orbit around Geonosis, there's nothing to say that it wasn't taken off at Scarif to allow the Kyber crystals (giant versions of lightsaber crystals from the Unknown Regions) which formed the heart of the superlaser to be loaded in.

Also, in the new continuity, the Death Star may have been used to destroy Geonosis before being moved - the entire species of those bug things was wiped out to preserve the secrecy of the project. There may also be a connection to Jakku, since the new continuity establishes that the Empire had long had a secret base underground on Jakku. Possibly the equivalent of Wayland from the Zahn novels.

Also, considering the Empire probably have a shit tonne of resources, buildings, ships, weapons, staff & whatnot on Scarif, I doubt they'd blow it up.

Yup. They totally would. Especially if the world is depleted of natural resources and all of those personnel, weapons, ships, etc. can be taken off-planet by Star Destroyers and/or the Death Star itself.

But I think that perhaps Scarif will have been spared if only to be used as a location in future films.

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A new Imperial astromech droid that will appear in Rogue One was just revealed on The Star Wars Show, his/her/its name is C2-B5. Looks pretty badass:





And tnuc, consider myself schooled.

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That astromech looks awesome. That astromech actually looks like something that'd be awesome to try and make a replica of (as well as being a little easier than a Dalek).

I want that robot.

And tnuc, consider myself schooled.

No. No. No! Embrace your hatred! Strike me down with all of your anger, and your journey to the Dark Side will be complete! Give in to your hate; it will make you powerful!

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Revenge's Death Star is the prototype, though. It's the baby testbed built alongside the actual Death Star. Proof of Concept, etc (and that's canon according to Lucasfilm and Disney. The new canon erases the Maw Installation, sadly. Although that means Qui Xux has been deleted. Yay!

The Death Star was built alongside the prototype, and transferred to Scarif for completion according to Wookieepedia.

Where is this info?

Acording to Lucas the prototype seen allready in a very advanced state was the actual Death Star.. no prototype no baby prototype

Im reading the canon section of wookipedia and it doesnt say anything about a prototype and even shows the under construction pic that was shown in ep III

[Reply #666 on:]

Where is this info?

Wookieepedia. You might try following the link I dropped, and then reading the pages on the Death Star, the Prototype Death Star, the planets Geonosis, Scarif, and Kessel, the Maw Installation, and especially the link I've just given you to the page on the prototype. Which, if you'll read the "behind the scenes" section, will highlight that the prototype was retconned as having been built alongside the actual Death Star as a technology testbed and will point you to my original link as the canon source of this information.

Critical fail on your knowledge check there, dude.

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the link you provided its from "Legends" ... aka "non canon"

Edit, cause i replied way too fast:

"The New Essential Chronology retconned the prototype into being built alongside the main Death Star because concerns were raised. "

This says that a prototype was built alongside the death star.. not that what we see its the prototype..

Geonosis  and Kessel dont show much light save for the part that the death Star began construction over Geonosis and was moved elsewhere (Scarif) at some point

[Reply #668 on:]

the link you provided its from "Legends" ... aka "non canon"

The stuff that takes place within the timeline of the first six films is the new canon though. Only the bits bracketing the new canon are grey areas.

"The New Essential Chronology retconned the prototype into being built alongside the main Death Star because concerns were raised. "

This says that a prototype was built alongside the death star.. not that what we see its the prototype.

Just look at it. Look at it. The dish is in place, as are the reactor core and the central systems. Nothing much else is present. It corresponds almost exactly to the drawings of the Maw Installation Prototype. The dish also appears to be set slightly differently in the superstructure's lines than that of the actual Death Star.





Taking what we know, what we can see, and what we're told, putting them all together, and seeing the bigger picture... that's the prototype.

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Oh i absolute agree that what is seen in ep III totally looks like the Maw prototype.. and i so hardly wished it was...


The problem is that Lucas himself said that was the Death Star I herself .. starting construction (and in a quite advanced stage).. 19 years BEFORE it became operational..

That was Lucas ginormous screwup... among many many others

Not just that.. aparently the guys at ILM in that scene wich starts with a shot of a Venator class destroyer (repainted full grey) with V-Wing fighters zooming by .. they wanted to put an Imperial class destroyer with TIE Fighters.. to link that to the classic trilogy (incidentally the EU stated that Imperial Class destroyers were allready operational by the end of the Clone Wars, so were early variants of the TIE Fighter....so they could do that) but Lucas refused arguing that the Empire would have 20 years to build destroyers and TIEs.. not need to rush them

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IN THE VERY SAME SCENE WHERE HE FELT IT WAS NECESARY TO SEE THE DEATH STAR ALLREADY ADVANCED UNDER CONSTRUCTION 20 YEARS IT BECAME OPERATIONAL???

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The problem is that Lucas himself said...

This wouldn't be the first time that Lucas has contradicted canon material. Lucasfilm have generally just shrugged in response. Take almost everything he's said about the Millennium Falcon, and compare it to the cross-sections, novelized descriptions of how parts work, or even the speed at which it travels (both in hyperspace and in regular space). The only thing Lucas himself is consistent on with regard to the Falcon is that he wanted it to be a giant flying hamburger, because he'd been eating lunch (a hamburger) at the time he was told that the previous design (a pencil, which he'd come up with whilst looking at a pencil) wasn't usable (due to it resembling a ship from Space 1999). That's one thing he hasn't contradicted himself on.

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He recently said that he was actually eating a taco at the time and merely wished he was eating a hamburger at that moment.  He further commented that he no longer eats tacos and apparently he is racist against people of both spanish and portugese descent.

I'm also quite certain he was heavily involved with the star wars holiday special.

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I'm sure this trailer is beautiful, but why would people want to watch it?  I want to see the film when it comes out and not have any moments ruined beforehand.

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Trailers can give you an idea of what to expect tonally and thematically. It builds hype and helps you decide if you think it's worth your time.

It's annoying when they give away too many plot details, though. However, at least for me, that doesn't "ruin" a movie for me at all.

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So I'm hyped for Rogue One - some of the dialogue sounds just a little cheesy though. I'm going into it going "looks really good, please don't screw it up!" - which is what I went through this time last year. What does it tell me, that I was wrong to worry before and should do less? No, I think it just reflects that I'm always going to worry about each new Star Wars film...

Also, out of interest in discussion - there's lots of fan theories going on about Rey's origins, so I thought I'd share my favourite theory so far - it's not a head-cannon but it's something I'd like to see. Anyway, with that in mind, I believe/would like Rey to be...

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A Palpatine. Would make things delightfully Grey. Hey, if they go all Grey, maybe they'll feature Tom Baker's Bendo in there somewhere?

Hah, I originally misspelled that as Bindo till I looked it up and realised it was wrong, but then there was Jolee Bindo, a Grey Jedi... Hmm... a pattern perhaps?

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Neat theory.  I doubt Disney will make a shit movie, they're not George Lucas.  However, I don't expect any classics, such as the three Star Wars movies, to ever be produced either.  In that light, there's virtually no room to fret and plenty of room to be pleasantly entertained.

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I have booked the 15th December off of work as I'm going to a midnight screening of Rogue One the same day with a couple of friends. High hopes for this film! I'm excited to see K-2SO in action, as well as Bodhi, Krennic, and of course, Vader.

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I'm sort of getting excited. Cautiously.

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So I'll put this in spoilers, but even then keep it relatively spoiler free - just some musings I can think of after watching it:

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So even without spoilerising much, let me start by saying GO AND WATCH THIS FILM! RIGHT NOW!

You back yet?
Anyway, see whether you agree with the following points...

Does it feel like a Star Wars film? YES
Does Michael Giacchino successfully emulate John Williams? YES
Does it rank among the best? YES

Is it perfect? no...

It definitely succeeds in fleshing out the universe, making us believe that we're seeing the familiar sights from a different angle, and everything fits in okay - except perhaps certain troopers, fighters and vehicles that are everywhere in the movie and nowhere else in the saga.

If the original movie was akin to a fantasy painted over in sci-fi, this does also work as a war movie painted over in sci-fi, but probably one from the 60s or 70s.

It's even better than the trailer indicated, but some really impressive scenes from the trailer were obviously cut, which is disappointing. The dialogue was no where near as cheesy as I feared, so that was another positive.

There were a few arching cliches and at least one massive plot hole that take some of the shine off - a couple of things that link to ANH but appear jarring, although there are several things that fit very well. There are also some lovely nods to the EU. I adored some of the cameos, but some of the others just ventured into uncanny alley a bit.

Also, I'm almost convinced I saw JonTron in this movie... I think people may understand where I mean...

It compares very well to TFA, in fact in some respects it does things better. One thing I will say though, though the characters are good, well-rounded and well-acted, I don't think I ever quite found the same attachment that I did to the likes of Rey, Finn and Poe.

Also, the film was so action-packed, so suspenseful (even if you sort of know the outcome already) that it's very hard right now to see how the Han Solo film will top this, unless it's going for a highly-different take altogether.

We shall see though!