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This'll probably be another episode which people mistake for being racist even though it's clearly not.

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[Reply #202 on:]

Eh, it's pretty much impossible to gauge the quality of a South Park episode from the previews. I often wind up disliking episodes I was looking forward to, and vice-versa. I stopped judging the promotional material for that very reason.

[Reply #203 on:]

I agree.

Like I've said before, it just seems like they throw random clips out based on which bits of animation they finish first, rather than giving any real thought to what makes for a decent, self-contained joke or an interesting plot-teaser.

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Extended version of the previous preview:

[Reply #205 on:]

This South Park was great. Better than anything from Season 16, and easily the best of Season 17.

I'll give it a 9/10 rating for now. This is what I like seeing from South Park. Of course, I'm not fond of cartman dressed up as bruce willis or whatever he's dressed up as. A bit stupid.

And I think I've had enough Cartman plots altogether. This would be a good one to send the cartman plots out on for a long time. I mean I like some of them, but they really are getting out of hand. There's way too many anymore.

But anyways, this was a near-perfect parody of George Zimmerman and I really enjoyed this episode!

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Bruce Willis? Really? Even though he kept mentioning Brad Pitt and the episode was almost entirely a parody of World War Z, starring Brad Pitt?

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Wasn't familiar with the Zimmerman case and haven't seen World War Z, but I got the gist of it. Either way, I still really, really enjoyed this. At first it seemed like it was just going to be another basic "Cartman acts racist for an entire episode" affair, and while that did prove true, it was escalated WELL beyond the point of sheer absurdity, to a level of gleeful anarchy that the show hasn't reached in years. Easily the best episode of season 17 so far.

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Yeah, it was definitely the best of the season so far. Pretty much everything from Zimmerman walking into his kitchen to the end of the episode had me in stitches.

Also the laws listed on the map in the gun shop made me laugh and I liked how everyone in Cartman's dream had his voice.

[Reply #209 on:]

I loved all the plane crashes, too.

[Reply #210 on:]

Best episode in a while but it still succumbed to a lot of problems plaguing modern South Park and I couldn't help but feel like they were retreading a huge amount of the joke that "Night of the Living Homeless" played off of.

I was also a bit let down at how easy they let World War Z get off. I know they basically said that it sucked, but that film was utterly appalling. I wanted more digs against it and how it ruined an amazing book.

7/10
Probably the best episode since "The Poor Kid".

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I give it an 8.9 for absolute funniness, especially the scenes in the auditorium, guidance office, and every scene with Zinmerman.

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It was okay. Definitely a lot better than the last 2 crappy episodes of the Season and had a lot better focus on the plot, but still pretty mediocre.

One of the things that really pulled the episode down for me was how dated the Zimmerman stuff felt. I know it's more recent than some stuff they've done in the past, but it still just felt like a really weak topical event to use and something that'll really hurt this episode in the future.

Along with that, most of the stuff in this episode just felt like stuff they've already done in previous episodes. Nothing new was done with the Token black racism, the Cartman plot was done very similar to previous ''Cartman Freaks Out Over Something Stupid'' episodes, and it just felt like they were just retreading what they've already done.

Still, I think the episode had it's good moments. Cartman's dream with everyone having his voice was kind of funny, along with the pilots reaction to the black virus and Zimmermans execution. Plus, I got a big laugh out of Mr. Garrison teaching about Les Miserables. Also, the plot actually flowed well this time, actually being a bit engaging without too much awkwardness or repeated jokes inserted into it, so that's good (was honestly shocked when it seemed like Token was actually killed off).

Overall, it had a few solid laughs in it and tried to do an interesting plot, but in the end, it was just an awkward episode with dated material and mostly stuff I've already gotten before and better in past episodes.

Overall: a low 3/5.

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8.5/10

I was kind of dreading this episode, but it actually ended up exceeding my expectations. I haven't seen World War Z, so I didn't get all of the references to that film. However, I am far too familiar with the Zimmerman trial, having been hearing about it for the past year and a half. This episode contained some very funny bits, and had a good storyline. This is definitely my favorite Season 17 episode thus far.

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I can agree that season 17 is defidently starting out as a great season.

[Reply #215 on:]

I think so too, except for "Let Go, Let Gov".

[Reply #216 on:]

That makes sense, some people really overrate it.

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Who does? Everyone I've met seems to hate it.

[Reply #218 on:]

Really? Lots of people at my school seemed to like it, must just be in different areas. Weird.

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Lots of people at your school are fucking weirdoes.

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Lots of people at your school are fucking weirdoes.

They really are, I had to move where the rednecks live. They don't know shit unless you talk about frickin' Duck Dynasty, or how ever the hell you spell it.

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Duck Dynasty? I've never been able to comprehend why people think that show is so great. It's always pretty high in the cable ratings on Wednesday nights.

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I don't understand it either.

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I wouldn't say season 17 is even close to starting out as a great season.

It's an improvement over season 16, but that's pretty much the nicest thing I can say about it, so far.


If I rank them, I'd say that it's one of the worst seasons to date, so far.
8 > 7 > 6 > 10 > 9 > 11 > 14 > 5 > 4 > 15 > 3 > 1 > 13 > 2 > 12 > 17 (so far) >>> 16

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Really? You hate season 16 THAT much? Strange... It didn't seem all that off in tone to me compared to seasons 14 and 15, and I most certainly wouldn't rank it lower than season 12.

I'd go:

6 > 8 > 7 > 13 > 15 > 14 > 16 > 11 > 10 > 9 > 3 > 1 > 4 > 2 > 5 > 12
(I'm not going to put 17 on there after just 3 episodes)

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Last episode was very good. I liked that the plot was cleverly done and it advanced nicely.

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Really? You hate season 16 THAT much? Strange... It didn't seem all that off in tone to me compared to seasons 14 and 15, and I most certainly wouldn't rank it lower than season 12.

16 didn't have a single great episode. It had a handful of decent episodes, and a really high proportion of sucky episodes including some contenders for worst episode ever.

Season 14 had some poor episodes, but it also had some great ones. The "200"/"201" saga was the best thing that the show had done since the "Imaginationland" trilogy. "Medicinal Fried Chicken" was also great, and whilst most people seem to hate it, I thought the Coon trilogy was brilliant. More plot heavy than gag heavy, but that's fine with me so long as they're telling a decent story.

Season 15 had a lot of poor episodes, but it also had "Broadway Bro Down", "Bass to Mouth", "You're Getting Old", "T.M.I.", "A History Channel Thanksgiving" and "The Poor Kid" which were great.

16 just... "A Nightmare on Facetime" was good. Good, not great. A few episodes were decent, here and there. So many sucked so hard. 12 wasn't a great season, either, but at least it had "Over Logging" which was almost great.

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The only two episodes of 12 that I really love are Tonsil Trouble and Breast Cancer Show Ever. I thought the rest were all mediocre to fucking atrocious (though, to be fair, it's been a while since I re-watched a lot of them, since I hated them so much the first time around). I agree with you completely on season 14's standouts, though I'd scrap Broadway Bro Down from my list of season 15 stand-outs and add Royal Pudding, City Sushi and Ass Burgers.

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Season 12 was the first time that I felt disappointed with a season of the show, but most of the episodes are decent. The season just sort of sucks because there aren't any stand-out episodes. I think that "Over Logging" is the best one of the bunch, and even that takes a premise that would have made for an all-time-classic episode had it been made in season 6-10 and turns it into an episode that I'd only say is "pretty good".

Season 16 just sort of continued what I didn't like about season 12, but I was expecting it to suck a lot more, whereas I went into season 12 eagerly anticipating new South Park, because back then, the show was still absolute gold.

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Looking back, I'd agree with cyber_turnip on Season 8 being the overall best Season of South Park. The only episode I didn't like in it that much was Goobacks, but otherwise I'd say it probably has the most 10/10 episodes for the series (or 9/10 at the very least).

Season 12 was a pretty bad season without a doubt. It had like three "Worst Episode Ever" episodes (Britney's New Look, The China Probrem and Pandemic 2: The Startling) and only one that hit the 9/10 mark for me (Breast Cancer Show Ever). The rest were mostly 7/10. Season 16 was similar to Season 12 for me, with Raising the Bar being the only 9/10 rated episode.

Season 15 was actually a pretty good modern season. It's the last season of the show I've given any episode a 10/10 rating to (You're Getting Old), but almost all of its episodes for me were either an 8/10 or 9/10 rating, with maybe only the first three being weak-ish episodes.

Season 17 looks to be treading the Season 16 route, meaning it will probably be mostly average episodes at best, but will have a really good standout episode somewhere. I could be completely wrong, though. South Park's first two seasons had mostly average episodes too.

EDIT - I'd probably rank the seasons below as...
8 > 7 > 5 > 6 > 11 > 3 > 4 > 10 > 15 > 9 > 14 > 13 > 1 > 2 > 17(?) > 16 >>> 12

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Ehh, I still don't get the hate for season 16. It started out shaky (the only episodes from the first half that I really enjoyed were Cash for Gold - which I felt was surprisingly compassionate for such scathing satire - and Ziplining, because the live action segment made me laugh harder than the show has in ages), but the back half was pretty damn consistent for me. A Scause for Applause was my favourite episode of season 16; it had a real bite in its satire that South Park lost long ago. Not to mention how brilliant the Dr. Suess stuff was.

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I think "I Should Never Have Gone Ziplining" is the worst episode of the show ever made and "A Scause for Applause" is something like the 4th worst episode ever made.

"I Should Never Have Gone Ziplining" was one joke stretched out for the first two acts, repeated over and over and over, and it wasn't particularly funny to begin with. Plus, it represented yet another South Park parody of some reality TV crap that Trey Parker is obsessed with, but nobody else cares about. I get what they were going for with the live-action stuff, but I thought it was really poorly done. Not remotely funny or clever or good.

"A Scause for Applause" had some decent ideas in there, but it was just a complete mess. Another flavour of the week topic being satirised that won't be relevant a few years on, a complete mess of a storyline and the Dr. Seuss stuff was so badly done, I'm almost leaning towards saying that the recent Simpsons Halloween special pulled it off better. Something about the limited animation and Trey Parker's voice just didn't let it work.

"Jewpacabra", "Cartman Finds Love" and "Butterballs" sucked, too.

"Faith Hilling" started well, but soon dissolved into a complete and utter mess and "Going Native" and "Obama Wins!" were completely mediocre.

"Reverse Cowgirl", "Cash for Gold", "Sarcastaball", "Raising the Bar", "Insecurity" and "A Nightmare on Facetime" were all good, but they weren't very good. They were good, but had they been included in seasons 5-9, they'd represent the weakest episode of the season.

Nothing in season 16 was great.

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I disagree.

[Reply #233 on:]

I disagree.

I disagree with I Should Have Never Gone Ziplining. I thought it was hilarious and it's probably my second favourite episode of Season 16. Around half of Season 16 for me were 7/10 episodes, but nothing godawful compared to Season 12.

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So much of season 12 felt so much like Matt and Trey just had absolutely nothing, so they went with "Oh, the internet fans will like THIS" for every damn episode. Canada on Strike is a prime example - just referencing well-known YouTube videos without changing a single joke or making a valid point on the subject. After so viciously attacking Family Guy (which I felt was well-deserved, and done in an utterly brilliant manner) just two years earlier for doing pretty much the same shit, it just felt like they were stooping to their level...

No matter what people may think of season 16, I still consider 12 the lowest point of the show.

[Reply #235 on:]

DO-DO-DO-DO

[Reply #236 on:]

I disagree.

[Reply #237 on:]

No matter what people may think of season 16, I still consider 12 the lowest point of the show.

I think another problem was that Season 12 came after the excellent Season 11, making it hard to top something like the Imaginationland trilogy. Most people such as myself noticed when it first aired in 2008 that the episodes seemed much lazier compared to most episodes before it. I can confidently say Season 12 marked the start of decline for South Park, or perhaps in a better term say it's a whole different era from South Park's golden years.

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The Imaginationland trilogy is indeed excellent, though I've stopped associating it as a part of season 11 since the separate DVD release... Which I really shouldn't do, but it's not exactly conscious on my part.

As for the end of the golden years, what about season 13? That was pretty damn great... The Coon, Margaritaville, Fishsticks, Fatbeard, Butters' Bottom Bitch, WTF, Whale Whores and Dances With Smurfs, to name a few. That is a pretty solid selection right there.

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As for the end of the golden years, what about season 13? That was pretty damn great... The Coon, Margaritaville, Fishsticks, Fatbeard, Butters' Bottom Bitch, WTF, Whale Whores and Dances With Smurfs, to name a few. That is a pretty solid selection right there.

South Park is still quite a bit unpredictable with its later seasons, I have to admit. For me, Season 13 has two 10/10 episodes (The Coon and Fishsticks) and quite a few 9/10 ones (Margaritaville, Fatbeard and Dead Celebrities) so on second thought I'll have to re-evaluate my season rankings again. It does have that godawful Eat, Pray, Queef episode though, so that hurts the season somewhat, but the remaining episodes are 7/10 and above easily.