See You In Another Thread, Brothah [Lost]

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Real-time Across The Sea Reactions by Maz

Ignore the itallics, those were just reactions to commercials..

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Hello lady, who are you? Jacob and MIB's mum?
Yes, you're heavily preggo..
DRINK!
Yes, reflections of people are pretty scary.
Gracias.
Om nom nom. Hi Claudia.
English, you say?
She looks familiar.
Ow, stitches >: (
Is she going to die?
Wow she yells louder than Claire did..ROAR
BUT THERE'S MORE
Hi Jacob.
MUSIC and then another boy.
Heh. Only picked one name.
Oh snap crackle and pop. She is going to die. Through murder..

Commercials! Ginger ninja. Goggles. Goliath. Mayor of shine town. ....Rob. All for soup.
Prince of Persia? Hrm. Jake fancypants looks weird like that. HOBOFACE.
Everything auto and much much more.
Sa-ka-ta...
Dove body lotion? I'd prefer Dove chocolate...
Chokito? Ooohhh...that looks nice. They listened to my chocolate request.
And now they want me to buy pharmaceutical products.
Now dog food. From Coles. Oh, K-Mart? Hahaha..my friend works there.

Back to Lost. Wassat? Box? Kid. Mr Black. Hi Jacob. It's a game, idiot.
I just know. "We just knew" Heh, Eves.. (go watch X Files!)
Hullo mother.
Do you love me? Kinda.
Turdle.
That kid is not a natural brunette..
What am I like? "Special"
The island is all there is...
Hmm, why won't he have to worry about dead?
OTHERS
Nummy bore guts.
So was old MIB seeing young Jacob all this time? Or who was that?
People are people. What's that stuff coming out of kitty's ears?
The heck is that...a shiny hole :|
You can look but don't touch.
Jacob kind of looks like old Jacob..
One of you. Uh ohhh.

Bones. Hot blooded! Got a fever of 103..
What the, animals playing soccer? Yesssss..

Hmm, how do you play the game?
My own game?! :O
Hello real mother.
Heyyy, Jacob doesn't see her?
Hello Clarice..
So..MIB has the same ability as Hurley. And kind of Miles..
Come vith me if you vant to live
Hahaha that's so fake...punch properly Jacob!
Hrmm.
Ohmg, she told the truth..
Why are they bad people?
What's her definition of 'good'?
So what happens to her? I guess she dies..

lololol J. Lo movie. I'm pregnant! Of course you are sweetheart.
Lotto? Yes. I would love $20 million, thank you.
HAHAHA "You won't get me in a salad bowl..I don't even like salad!"
Puppy! Harry. What ever happened to Talk to the Animals? Oh yeah, he started Harry's Practice...
Now there's a teddy bear talking about bank accounts. I geddit... :|
Mars bars? Yes please.
More lotto. Another $20 million? Oh..I don't know..okay, if you insist
Galaxy Quest! Woop. Sunday? Ok. I have it on dvd anyway.

Hi Bart, I'm weaving on a loom.
Aww..they miss each other.
A means to an end. Weee...electromagnetism you say? Why certainly.
Dig and dig and diggety dig..
Everything dies.
It's not my home :'(
Haha..I thought she was shaving her leg..actually I'm not sure what she WAS doing.
What's she plotting?
Hello 'mother' dear
Ooohh, was she the stepmum in Juno? I bet she is. Because Juno is on another channel right now
Yeah mother, you're supposed to tell him everything..do you even know?
A wheel? :O
Water and light...how did they figure that? Or you can ask him..he's special. Yes. That explains it.
I don't belong here. I'm a creep. I'm a weirdooooo what the hell is he doing here..
Cuddles!
Goodbye mother...for what? OW, my head.

Yeah, because I really want to see ads about football
lololol J. Lo movie
Mmm chippies..salt and vinegar or cheese and onion pls
...car shoes? hahaha those look like the Gyro from South Park
A talking fish and teddy bear and again. They know everything about banks. Happy wanking. Er, banking.
Mm, BLT. Except for the chicken that sounds good. BLT shouldn't even include chicken. Stupid KFC.
More drug advertising. I don't want to talk to Chemmart!
CHIPPIES AGAIN
Dynamo. Aww, you could have eaten those meat pies
Purdy mountain..oh amazing race. Meh.

Jacob...it is time. Is she a walrus?
The heart of the island. Worse than dying? Like living forever?
So where did she come from anyway? How does she know what she thinks she knows?
I don't wanna! You don't love me! Wah wah wah! Never thought of Jacob as such a whinger. Mm, tasty drink.
The same? He grew breasts and a vagina?
Stirring music...oh noes, the well is caved in. Smoke? A prediction of things to come..
RUN
Oh darn. Bye village.
But Jacob left the island a few times? How was that protecting it?

Stargate Atlantis? Looks lame. Who the hell are al those people? I miss the old days when things didn't have so many spin offs. Maybe it worked for Star Trek, I don't know. Doesn't mean everyone should do it!
That's not a proper BLT. Don't make me slap you!
I really don't get that ad..
That's why I trust the STRENGTH of Advil. Okay lady I love you buh bye.
Mmm, cereal...aunty who?
Wow that's a smashied car..
Mmm, cannelloni...I want some. Soft and supple

Heh, inside joke. Ouch...
Aww. Stabby stabby. Thank you. Thank you? Okey dokey.
MOTHER :'(
That's slightly more realistic punching...
So now he'll throw him in the light.
Weeeeee...
Uh oh. Now he's smokey. Smoking mad!
Aww cuddles.
Ahh, so the skeletons in the water place were him and..mummy? Yes..and stones..
Heh, Adam and Eve..
Wait..that's the end? Peh.

<Amy> I WAS IN THE SHOWER
<Amy> AND THINKING THE SAME THING
<Amy> ABOUT HURLEY

Teehee...I just wanted to see that out of context.

So. Hm. Yes. I think I will wait for the next episode(s).

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Let's clear this up...

SMOKEY IS MIB.

Done. Good? Good. The cave of light released Man in Black's soul (light, as C.J. Cregg called it) from his body. The black smoke is his light. Since light isn't exactly something you can touch, this explains why Man in Black doesn't get hurt by conventional weapons and why bullets go right through him. (And, on a side note, it's interesting that his light is black. I don't believe it's because he's bad, it may be just because everything related to the Man in Black is, well, black.)

Additionally, this supports Jacob's explanation that the Island is the cork of evil. Think about it: Man in Black's light (read: soul) has been now released from his body and has been doomed to "walk" on the earth for eternity. And there are a lot of dead people's spirits who so happen to be on the Island. Kind of sounds like purgatory to me. Additionally, what language are the speaking at this time before suddenly the producers felt like speaking in English would cut down subtitle costs? Latin. What is Jacob's duty? To protect the light. Now let's look at a Latin term associated with purgatory and souls and protecting light: Lucifer, from the Latin "lucem ferre" meaning "light-bearer". Jacob is Lucifer. But a "good" Lucifer. He's protecting the gate of Hell and doesn't want the evil of Hell to escape. This explains why during Season 5 he was trying to get the Oceanic survivors back on the Island, whether by himself or by another (Ben and Locke). This also explains why Kate's off the list: he told young Kate to promise to never steal again, she stole again, she's obviously bad and can't be trusted to protect the light.

This just makes Man in Black some sort of demigod. He's not evil incarnate, he's just a tortured soul trying to "go home". He's a demigod in the sense that Jacob (the god of the Island) couldn't hurt him (which obviously is false, but I'm guessing Mother meant kill by hurt). But, in every other way, he's just like the rest of cast but he's been released from his body and been on the Island for a much longer time. If anything this episode creates sympathy for the Man in Black and disdain for Jacob. Man in Black never broke the rules: he never directly hurt Jacob ever. And he's never left the Island thus far. Jacob, however, has directly hurt MiB multiple times and has left the Island multiple times despite Mother telling him he can't.

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I agree...  Smokey isn't MIB. Smokey is a completely independant entity and took over MIB's body after he died in the light hole. So, who/what is Smokey? How far back do we go!

What makes you think that MIB isn't Smokey? The woman said that going into the light hole resulted in a fate worse than death, so I would think that Smokey is the manifestation of MIB's ghost. We've heard MIB in the present say things like "I want to go home" and such, and also the fact that he wasn't able to kill Jacob were still because his "mother" made it that way. If Smokey was an independent entity separate from MIB, there'd be no reason why Smokey couldn't just kill Jacob.

Edit, ohai weiner.

This explains why during Season 5 he was trying to get the Oceanic survivors back on the Island, whether by himself or by another (Ben and Locke).

Locke leaving the island to die and come back wasn't Jacob's idea, it was MIB's remember?

So here are some questions I am wondering now after that episode:

1) I still don't AT ALL understand the rules behind how Smokey/MIB is able to take over people's bodies. At first I thought "Oh, I get it, he was able to take over his own body for a while, but then his own body decomposed and now he has to find other bodies to take over, like Christian's or Locke's" But then I thought about it, he's not actually taking over their bodies, right? He's actually taking over a duplicate of their bodies, or possibly their souls. So then why wouldn't he be able to continue assuming his own identity, even after the actual body has rotted? I feel like maybe this is something the writers don't want the viewer to think too much about.

2) I want to know more about why MIB is special. Why could he see dead people and others couldn't (and since Hurley is the same way, what's the connection there)? How did he know to build the donkey wheel?

3) Why can Smokey scan people's memories?

4) What the heck is the connection to Egyptian mythology?

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Your third question also puzzles me. They came during Roman times, right? Then when was the statue built? We didn't see it at all this episode, and we have in past flashbacks. Had it not been built at the time of "Across the Sea" or did we just not see it?

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I assume you meant my fourth question...I must have edited while you were typing. :P

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Weiner, I think she only told MIB he couldn't leave the island.  During one of their "I love you more than him" talks. 

And how can you say that MIB hasnt hurt jacob directly?  He LEFT Jacob, and then killed his mom.  You can say "well he didnt kill jacob" but dude, I'd rather die then see my mom getting killed.  That would hurt so much more and be a much larger direct hit on my heart.

Plus, the ep didnt make Jacob look bad.  Every god has to do some bad stuff, its all with good intentions (hello, Noah and the ark).  Jacob left the island because he HAD to.  MIB WANTED to leave.  There is a big difference there.

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New facebook picture ^^

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I demand "I'm with Man in Black" ... "Blackie" ... "Brother" ... "Cerebus" ... "Adam"?

Actually, this guy really needs a name before I can fully support him.


Also, a funny little clip from Jimmy Kimmel Live. Features Pellegrino and Welliver.

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Ya, what happened to the name Cerberus? I remember after the episode Lockdown that was a big thing.

Haven't heard Adam though...where'd that come from?

In any case, I love the actor's name, Titus. Cool name.

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Adam, cuz he is adam from the adam and eve

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Actually, this guy really needs a name before I can fully support him.

Esau!

Another thing that still confuses me. When MIB is in Lockes form, and he's questioned about why, and he says that he is now "Stuck" in that form. Yet when Ben is judged, and after all the smoke disappears, Alex appears and gives him the whole "Follow Locke!" thing, i just then assumed later that "Oh! That was Flocke/Smokey tricking him!" But after the being "Stuck" in Lockes form, i'm unsure.

Or perhaps the LOST writers are just not taking as much care as they should...

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When did he ever say he was stuck as Locke?

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I can't remember, but he definitely does. Somewhere towards the beginning of the season.

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Perhaps he became locled as Locke because Jacob is dead, which occured after the Ben's judgement.

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I move that MIB in Locke form be renamed "Man In Blocke".

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Chay, I demand you find where MIB said he was STUCK in Locke's form, because I have absolutely no meory of that. DO IT NAO.

I don't doubt that it happened, I just need a memory jog.

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I remember that Ilana said that Locke was the only human form he could take. However, I can't remember in which episode she said that.

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Well that helps...not...

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Ilana indeed said that MIB was now stuck in Locke form because everyone had saw Locke's corpse

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BUT WHEN? WHAT EPISODE?

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BUT WHEN? WHAT EPISODE?

6X03 "The Substitute"

"Meanwhile, at the remains of the statue, Ilana and Ben discuss what happened to her companions; Ben tells her that the Man in Black killed them all, including Jacob. Ilana, who is visibly upset, takes some of the ashes of Jacob's body and informs Ben that the Man in Black is now "stuck" in the form of Locke"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Substitute_%28Lost%29

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Thanks, Javier!

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What remains still unsolved is who or what killed all remaining Ajira survivors... unless the MIB or Widmore did it and they tell it it was a pretty cheap and lame way of getting them out , its this series writen by a death-cult gothic emo or what?

Evidence suggest it was more probably MIB or even Ilana rather than Widmore

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uh, I thought it was known it was widmore

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uh, I thought it was known it was widmore

It may look like that, but Widmore said he wasnt and while he is utterly evil, he has no reason to lie and usually as far as i renember he doesnt lie , and even Sawyer said he didnt knew who killed them even after talkin with Widmore.. and also as some people pointed, the corpses where allreadt decomposing, Widmore just got there that very day.

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Maybe they were already dead before they got on the plane

Probably not..

I just want to see the last couple of episodes so I can watch it all in succession without weekly breaks. I keep forgetting what's happened from weeks ago.

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Good episode.

Just a reminder, the season finale is THIS SUNDAY

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That was an excellent episode.

"This is what I'm supposed to do."
"Is that a question?"
"No."

That got to me BIG TIME.

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When Jacob said that, I said, "Gotcha bitch!" I didn't want Jack to be it...

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Is it just me or is the Alternate Timeline now more interesting? You got Desmond running around being all crazy, you got Sawyer questioning whether or not he should be a cop, you got rich Hurley following Desmond, you got Ben seeming to be on the path to getting frisky with Danielle, and you got Locke finally getting surgery. I'm interested in seeing how that timeline ties in with the real one and what Alt Desmond is up to.

And, speaking of Desmond, WHERE THE FUCK IS HE?!?!

And, speaking of where the fuck characters, did they really just kill Richard off with no remorse? Why the fuck would they do that?! Richard's a fucking fan-favorite badass!!! He's the original gangsta!!! Dammit, J. J. Abrams... And I didn't actually see what happened to Miles, but did the same happen to him?

And why the fuck would Ben suddenly turn sides? "Oh, I'll give you the Island." Well that's just nice, what has MiB ever done for you? What's that? Nothing? Yeah, that's what I thought. Ben had no reason to believe MiB or to follow him. One moment he's talking down about MiB. "Little did I know, I wasn't summoning him, he was summoning me." That doesn't mean you have to follow the guy off an empty promise. You're just gonna follow the guy who killed Richard, the closest thing you had to a friend, and could've but didn't save Alex, the closest thing you had to a daughter? Really?

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Stop using spoilers in this thread. Completely unnecessary.

And stop implying J.J. Abrams works on the show. He did the pilot. That's it.

Also, I agree about Ben...I really thought he had redeemed himself but now he's following Locke again. I understand why he killed Widmore, but I really hope he's only following Locke out of fear of getting killed by him. Although we did see that flash of Desmond beating up Ben, which is something that hasn't happened yet (as far as I remember) so .

Also, are you still on Team MIB, weiner? Because apparently he wants everyone to die, everywhere.

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BEN STILL HAS TIME DAMNIT, HE WILL BE GOOD.

I loved when Hurley was like "Oh hi Anna" and she was all wtf.  Seems Hurley remembers A LOT more.

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ZOMG J. J. Abrams isn't involved with Lost anymore?!?!

Also, I agree about Ben...I really thought he had redeemed himself but now he's following Locke again. I understand why he killed Widmore, but I really hope he's only following Locke out of fear of getting killed by him.

That's what I got from it. He seemed to said yes to helping MiB as if he were really rhetorically asking, "Do I have a choice?"

Although we did see that flash of Desmond beating up Ben, which is something that hasn't happened yet (as far as I remember) so .

That was from Season 5's Dead Is Dead. It's when Ben went to the marina to kill Penny. Desmond had just arrived from the market and proceeds to beat the shit out of Ben.

Also, are you still on Team MIB, weiner? Because apparently he wants everyone to die, everywhere.

He didn't say that. He said that if he can't get off the Island that he's just going to destroy it. He doesn't believe the Source really is related to some light in all life, given by the fact that he says Jacob's protecting it from nothing etc. The audience is assumed and supposed to believe Mother and Jacob, that the Source is related to life everywhere. MIB doesn't seem to believe that. MIB is not necessarily evil and trying to hatch a diabolical plan to end life everywhere. It's more tragic irony than evil, I think. The audience is "knows" his actions will end the world, something which he denies will happen.

I tend to be on the side of caution and feel that destroying the Island will cause some cataclysmic event, whether it be ending life or releasing the demons of Hell. I still think the Island is the cork of Hell per what Jacob said in Ab Aeterno. However, this doesn't necessarily mean MIB is evil and wants to end life everywhere. At the moment, I'm not exactly on a "team". Jacob hasn't done anything to redeem himself in my eyes yet, I'm waiting to see what he says / what he/Jack do in the finale.

BEN STILL HAS TIME DAMNIT, HE WILL BE GOOD.

I loved when Hurley was like "Oh hi Anna" and she was all wtf.  Seems Hurley remembers A LOT more.

I hope Ben will be good. But, then again, I have a sneaking feeling like they'll do what they just did for Richard and throw him away. Although I still hope Richard isn't really dead, just maimed a little. He's survived worse.

And that was hilarious! I think Hurley being in continued contact with Libby, another survivor who he has memories with from the original universe, is accelerating his ability to remember. Or Hurley's just special and the writers wanted a gag.

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Who said Richard is dead? MIB knows well Richard's role .. if he could he would had killed him well before.. this looked more like getting Richard out of the way

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LOOL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUKcs3z1Y4g&feature=player_embedded

LMAO

(screwed up this in Chucks thread)

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ZOMG J. J. Abrams isn't involved with Lost anymore?!?!

You being sarcastic? Or are you really that surprised to find that out?

That's what I got from it. He seemed to said yes to helping MiB as if he were really rhetorically asking, "Do I have a choice?"

Indeed. When he said "You said something about other people you needed to kill" or whatever, it's possible he's just trying to appear as useful as possible to MIB, because he's just seen that when somebody isn't useful to him anymore, he kills them.

That was from Season 5's Dead Is Dead. It's when Ben went to the marina to kill Penny. Desmond had just arrived from the market and proceeds to beat the shit out of Ben.

Ah yes of course. How did I forget that?

He didn't say that. He said that if he can't get off the Island that he's just going to destroy it.

He didn't actually technically say that either. He simply said "I'm going to destroy the island." He didn't say that he would only do that if he couldn't get off. It's very possible he wants to do both.

He doesn't believe the Source really is related to some light in all life, given by the fact that he says Jacob's protecting it from nothing etc. The audience is assumed and supposed to believe Mother and Jacob, that the Source is related to life everywhere. MIB doesn't seem to believe that. MIB is not necessarily evil and trying to hatch a diabolical plan to end life everywhere. It's more tragic irony than evil, I think. The audience is "knows" his actions will end the world, something which he denies will happen.

The writers apparently are trying to make it clear to us that MIB is evil. They outwardly said that the whole point of having Sun, Jin, Sayid, and Lapidus die were to show the audience that "there is no ambiguity" and that MIB is "evil and needs to be stopped". However, you may have a point.  The writers could just be nailing that into our heads so that they can surprise us with a EVERYTHING WE MADE YOU THINK IS WRONG ending. We'll just have to wait and see.

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Hilarious comic, Faze. I always noticed that.

ZOMG J. J. Abrams isn't involved with Lost anymore?!?!

You being sarcastic? Or are you really that surprised to find that out?

Sarcasm.

That's what I got from it. He seemed to said yes to helping MiB as if he were really rhetorically asking, "Do I have a choice?"

Indeed. When he said "You said something about other people you needed to kill" or whatever, it's possible he's just trying to appear as useful as possible to MIB, because he's just seen that when somebody isn't useful to him anymore, he kills them.

Yeah, I feel like the jury's still out on Ben's true allegiance. I expect him to make an attempt to kill MIB in the finale.

He doesn't believe the Source really is related to some light in all life, given by the fact that he says Jacob's protecting it from nothing etc. The audience is assumed and supposed to believe Mother and Jacob, that the Source is related to life everywhere. MIB doesn't seem to believe that. MIB is not necessarily evil and trying to hatch a diabolical plan to end life everywhere. It's more tragic irony than evil, I think. The audience is "knows" his actions will end the world, something which he denies will happen.

The writers apparently are trying to make it clear to us that MIB is evil. They outwardly said that the whole point of having Sun, Jin, Sayid, and Lapidus die were to show the audience that "there is no ambiguity" and that MIB is "evil and needs to be stopped". However, you may have a point.  The writers could just be nailing that into our heads so that they can surprise us with a EVERYTHING WE MADE YOU THINK IS WRONG ending. We'll just have to wait and see.

Wait and see is the exact approach I'm taking with Jacob. I'm still not sure about how much he actually knows. The Source reminds me of the Swan, with the question of whether or not pressing the button will really end the world. Not pushing the button didn't really end the world, but shit definitely did go down. Or how about nice Kate from the first few episodes actually being a fugitive? Or how about Penny's boat, well, not being Penny's boat? Lost has given us a lot of things that seem one way and then they turn it upside down. The true nature of the Source will be interesting to find out.

I'm definitely getting the vibe from the writing that they want us to think MIB is evil. I mean, that's the way they've written him since the pilot when he killed the pilot. He was a motherfucking black cloud! He killed Eko! He wears black and never white! How much more evil can you get?!?! I'm really expecting some reversal, a classic Lost plot twist. There hasn't really been an "EVERYTHING WE MADE YOU THINK IS WRONG" moment yet this season. I expect big twists in the finale.

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Not pushing the button didn't really end the world, but shit definitely did go down.

Well actually, we don't know if it wouldn't have ended the world. It's possible that all that electromagnetic energy being built up could have somehow caused a disturbance that would have affected the world, if Desmond hadn't used the failsafe button. I mean, we know that the discharge of energy that happened when he did use the failsafe was detectable in Antarctica or wherever Penny's people were who were trying to find the island.

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I think that guy telling "there is no ambiguity , the black man is evil and has to be stopped" was a mistake, because, he either "spoiled" and now we dont have to find out by ourselfs , or he is lying wich is cheating , you cant cheat that way to "surprise" viewers ... i really hope (and think) he is right , because its better to slip away and minor-spoil than blatantly lie ...
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BTW, are we sure Lapidus is dead?