900 Going On 11th Incarnation - Doctor Who

[Reply #80 on:]

The Doctor's God complex has existed since The Christmas Invasion, and hasn't stopped growing following its kick-start in New Earth. He's the last of Time Lords. He's got all this perceived responsibility to carry on with him, and yet all he really wants to do is forget.

He's cracked. He's gone too far. He's leading himself directly into his own destruction...

And he knows it.

[Reply #81 on:]

I agree, I think it's an interesting direction to take for 10's swan song.

He's always had an air of arrogance, and now he's on his own it's manifesting itself in more disturbing ways. I call it a bold move from the writers.

[Reply #82 on:]

Okay so it wasn't that out of character.

I phrased that all really bad but in my defense, it was 3 am and I had taken my insomnia medications.

I know he's had a massive ego since the beginning.

I'm still to tired to try to think out what I'm trying to say out too much, maybe I'll phrase better later when I'm not falling over from tiredness.

[Reply #83 on:]

We'll forgive you this time.

[Reply #84 on:]

My comment wasn't just aimed at you BF, it was at TNUK as well. Xanfor put it nicely, in that it's been a long time coming. Even before the doctor mentioned it, i kept thinking of Pompei, and how this was a similar situation, and without a companion he was pretty much prepared to walk away. But it's all become too much for him now, he's fed up with following these rules that he's now realised are only enforced by him. He's still quite recently lost 3 significant companions in one way or another, not to mention his entire race (Mostly) so he's pretty much saying "...Fuck it!". I think the fact that Adelaide killed herself and seeing the Ood will bring his ego down a little bit and the next episode won't be him going around changing everything on a whim, he definitely realised he'd done something wrong.

Also, what do we think is the significance of Σ (Sigma) on the Ood's jacket?

[Reply #85 on:]

No particular significance. That was Ood Sigma from Planet of the Ood. It's just his name.

With Pompeii though it was either Pompeii or the World. Remember the Pyrovillians plan for the Earth. His ego will come down a bit but it's still gonna be there. I still don't know how to phrase my thoughts.

[Reply #86 on:]

Also, what do we think is the significance of Σ (Sigma) on the Ood's jacket?

It means that he is the summation of all Oods.

[Reply #87 on:]

Perhaps he mis-heard and was meant to be wearing a nametag saying "Selma".

[Reply #88 on:]

Best Christmas episode ever! Good to see John Simms as The insane Master again 

[Reply #89 on:]

I concur. And I particularly enjoyed Timothy Dalton.

[Reply #90 on:]

It was quite interesting, although

Show spoiler

the revelation of "Z0mg the voice-over is a Time Lord!!11!1!" was kind of obvious. I mean, come on now, who else? After the second time we saw this guy during the special you saw that he had some regal wear on, pretty much pinpointing him as a Time Lord. Plus the sound of drums in The Master's head. Come on, Doctor Who. Be a little less obvious in your plot revelations and story arcs. That episode was the first appearance of Gallifrey on screen, so once you mention that there's the "sound of drums" the first thing someone will think is "oh, that's like Gallifrey and the Time Lo---whhhhhhhhaat? They're de------ wait, they're not!" Duh.

[Reply #91 on:]

That was a good special. I've kinda been expecting them to find some way to bring back the Time Lords for a while now. I love the Master evern more now, so entertaining in this.

[Reply #92 on:]

Thought it started slowly but then built up well towards the end, unfortunately RTD has proved in the past that he can write a build up but not an ending

[Reply #93 on:]

wow i wished i joined here sooner so i could have played in the poll hahaha

sorry but i had to skip this page of posts as i haven't seen the last 2 specials yet.  hopefully i will soon a friend of mine is mailing them to me.

glad to see some futurama doctor who fans! oh and my vote would have gone to sylvester mccoy, i loved him so much.  tennant and baker though are definitely up there.

[Reply #94 on:]

Woo! McCoy! Woo! But srsly, lrn2spell.

[Reply #95 on:]

think you should take some of your own advice
everything is spelled just fine on my end

[Reply #96 on:]

RTD tried to fit too much into the pre-regeneration bit (yawn) and Donna was unfortunately sidelined, but Timothy Dalton didn't disappoint as Rassilon and the Master was awesome as ever.

I'll agree with hopie4ever that RTD continues to fail at the climax. And why cant he leave that Rose bitch out of the bloody tale?

[Reply #97 on:]

I'm afraid i was right and I agree that if I ever see Rose Tyler again it will be too soon, I'm hoping that the doctor will be more important than the assistant from now on

Coupling is one of my favourite tv shows so Im hoping Moffat can keep his run going, roll on te new series

[Reply #98 on:]

Aww I could not stop crying after the end. What a way for Tennant to say goodbye and I love the way he visits all his friends.

Boo to the Timelords and Yay to the Master!

Oh and here is the trailer to Series 5

[Reply #99 on:]

Who was the lady with the book signing? Rather, who was her mother?

[Reply #100 on:]

Series 3, the Doctor used the chameleon arch to become human and hide from some bad guys, he became a teacher in England before the first world war and fell in love with the school nurse. Unfortunately he had to turn back to save the day and she lost the love of her life. Aw.

[Reply #101 on:]

That's right!

[Reply #102 on:]

I thought the ending was rubbish.

First, we're really just going to get rid of all of the Time Lords again? And this time, as I understand from the episode, I think it's irreversible. And, likewise, the Master is gone forever? The Doctor's archenemy is just gone?

Second, going back and saying hi to everybody? That was kind of lame. I mean, if this was a life threatening injury in so much that he needed to regenerate, why did he have so much time? He's never had time to go and say goodbye to people ever before. Look at Sarah Jane...

Third, I already kind of don't like this new Doctor. He confuses me. At the end of the episode, he seems to be doing a 10th Doctor impersonation. In the promo, I can't really judge his personality because he's doing so many stunts. Sure, Moffat did write The Girl in the Fireplace, which was a fantastic episode. It reminded me of some of Star Trek: TNG's best Picard episodes, like Tapestry. But the promo seems to say "yeah, this is going to be more of a gritty action show" rather than clever sci-fi. I hope I'm wrong.

[Reply #103 on:]

Well we thought the loss of all the time lords was irreversible the first time, what with the time lock, but they found a way. And I'm sure if they want to, they will find a way to get the master back again, maybe he got teleported somewhere else.

And with his regeneration taking a while, it did kind of make sense that it would be gradual, it's not like he was shot through the hearts or anything, it was just good old fashioned radiation poisoning. I thought it was fitting that he got to say a few goodbyes.

Also, I don't want Alonso to replace Ianto :'(

[Reply #104 on:]

OMG Matt Smith brings a bold new take on the Time Lord.
This from BBC website.  Uh oh!

 

[Reply #105 on:]

The Master always finds a way back. ALWAYS. So he'll be back and it shall be interesting to see how.

Okay that was teh longest and most drawn out regeneration scene.... Ugh so annoying. I was begging it to get on... RTD fail ending for this... Why did it need to be gradual I don't think ANY of the other Doctors regenerated that slow. And none of them felt the need to go around saying good bye to everyone...

Because SoS Rose is his one true love? Well at least all the new series fan girls think that...

I'm confused about the Martha and Mickey stuff.... Wasn't Martha engaged to Tom Milliagan? I could have sworn she said that in Sontaran Stratagem... I'm going to look this up... I'm probably missing something that happened in Torchwood so people who have seen Torchwood explain please.

I'm making no judgements on Smith till I have seen him in action for at least a few episodes.

[Reply #106 on:]

The bold new take on the Doctor should have been a sex change.
Isn't it about time for a female Doctor?

[Reply #107 on:]

No.

[Reply #108 on:]

I guess not. You have spoken.

[Reply #109 on:]

Yeah how did Martha married Micky?

[Reply #110 on:]

The bold new take on the Doctor should have been a sex change.
Isn't it about time for a female Doctor?

No.

Second.

I guess Martha and Mickey marrying is just a last minute loose end that RTD wanted to tie up (completely unnecessarily). I thought he'd done his swan song at the end of series 4 but he's so in love with the characters he's brought to the show he just had to do it again - making the farewells not so much "Goodbye, my friends" from the tenth Doctor but "Goodbye, my characters" from RTD - very self indulgent if you ask me.

Okay that was teh longest and most drawn out regeneration scene.... Ugh so annoying. I was begging it to get on... RTD fail ending for this... Why did it need to be gradual I don't think ANY of the other Doctors regenerated that slow. And none of them felt the need to go around saying good bye to everyone...

More annoying than the time it took, for me, was DT's whole attitude to the regeneration; not wanting to get into the chamber to save Wilf, the self-indulgent farewells (I thought the essence of the Doctor was that he always moved on), and then bemoaning his passing at the very last (he should have had a little more grace about it). Worst of all is what appears to have been a very petulant act in actually damaging the TARDIS with the regeneration energy (unless it was accidental - making him incompetent).

DT has to have been the most lingering Doctor ever. His regeneration from CE took place over a whole hour long episode. He managed to cheat his way out of a regeneration after being shot by that Dalek and finally childishly clinging to his last seconds.

Because SoS Rose is his one true love? Well at least all the new series fan girls think that...

Well, they're wrong. And many only watched for DT, so they'll be gone soon enough. 

Anyway, despite the negatives, I still enjoyed it. And I hope to Atheismo that this is the last we ever see of Rose (then again, I said that at the end of series 4). Roll on a new era.

[Reply #111 on:]

The bold new take on the Doctor should have been a sex change.
Isn't it about time for a female Doctor?

He is a time lord, not a time lady. That latter did exist, or so I'm told. They should've made him black.

Also, RE: the Marth Smith-Jones thing. I think it was teased in Torchwood, but i can't remember.

[Reply #112 on:]

I guess Martha and Mickey marrying is just a last minute loose end that RTD wanted to tie up (completely unnecessarily). I thought he'd done his swan song at the end of series 4 but he's so in love with the characters he's brought to the show he just had to do it again - making the farewells not so much "Goodbye, my friends" from the tenth Doctor but "Goodbye, my characters" from RTD - very self indulgent if you ask me.


More annoying than the time it took, for me, was DT's whole attitude to the regeneration; not wanting to get into the chamber to save Wilf, the self-indulgent farewells (I thought the essence of the Doctor was that he always moved on), and then bemoaning his passing at the very last (he should have had a little more grace about it). Worst of all is what appears to have been a very petulant act in actually damaging the TARDIS with the regeneration energy (unless it was accidental - making him incompetent).

DT has to have been the most lingering Doctor ever. His regeneration from CE took place over a whole hour long episode. He managed to cheat his way out of a regeneration after being shot by that Dalek and finally childishly clinging to his last seconds.

I agree, on all points. Especially about DT's regerneration, I couldn't believe RTD had the Doctor doing that. Though I guess part of it could be he only has1 maybe 2 more regenerations (I don't know how they are counting the Journey's End regneration) before he's dead-dead so that could be part of it, but still accept your fate, man!

Well, they're wrong. And many only watched for DT, so they'll be gone soon enough.  

He is gone. Good bye obsessive fan girls who don't even realise that there are 10 other Doctors.

[Reply #113 on:]

Unfortunately by the end of summer, MS may well have his own whole new generation of obsessive fan girls.

He is a time lord, not a time lady. That latter did exist, or so I'm told. They should've made him black.

Yeah, and the first line could be, after looking at his hands, "Well, I guess I'm still not ginger..."

[Reply #114 on:]

Probably not as much as DT. Most girls are like 'OMG David Tennant, he's so hot. His character in this show I'm watching only because I saw he was in it just raped the other main character... but it's okay because he's hot.' Matt Smith is not all that good looking so, therefore the obsessive fan girls will probably be minimal. Believe it or not I acutally say a post like that. We can hope right.

That would have been interesting. I wish they had done a more creative intro to MS, instead of pretty much copying DT.


End of Time in a nutshell bubble.

[Reply #115 on:]

Lords could be female as it explains here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord

Rare but possible

[Reply #116 on:]

Male Gallifreyans regenerate into male Gallifreyans.
Female Gallifreyans regenerate into female Gallifreyans.

The Doctor is not female. Do the math.

[Reply #117 on:]

I guess Martha and Mickey marrying is just a last minute loose end that RTD wanted to tie up (completely unnecessarily). I thought he'd done his swan song at the end of series 4 but he's so in love with the characters he's brought to the show he just had to do it again - making the farewells not so much "Goodbye, my friends" from the tenth Doctor but "Goodbye, my characters" from RTD - very self indulgent if you ask me.


More annoying than the time it took, for me, was DT's whole attitude to the regeneration; not wanting to get into the chamber to save Wilf, the self-indulgent farewells (I thought the essence of the Doctor was that he always moved on), and then bemoaning his passing at the very last (he should have had a little more grace about it). Worst of all is what appears to have been a very petulant act in actually damaging the TARDIS with the regeneration energy (unless it was accidental - making him incompetent).

DT has to have been the most lingering Doctor ever. His regeneration from CE took place over a whole hour long episode. He managed to cheat his way out of a regeneration after being shot by that Dalek and finally childishly clinging to his last seconds.

I agree, on all points. Especially about DT's regerneration, I couldn't believe RTD had the Doctor doing that. Though I guess part of it could be he only has1 maybe 2 more regenerations (I don't know how they are counting the Journey's End regneration) before he's dead-dead so that could be part of it, but still accept your fate, man!

Well, they're wrong. And many only watched for DT, so they'll be gone soon enough. 

He is gone. Good bye obsessive fan girls who don't even realise that there are 10 other Doctors.

Bah to all of that. Too late to properly reply. But so what if it was a farewell to RTD and his characters. With MS and SM starting, it's going to be an entirely different beast.

[Reply #118 on:]

Wow. "The Eleventh Hour" was great. Matt Smith is a fantastic doctor, and we seem to have been promised all sorts of treats in the teaser at the end. Awesome! I can't wait to see the Daleks and the Cybermen again, and it looks like we'll see the Stone Angles too, as well as some n00b villains. Can't wait!

[Reply #119 on:]

I missed it and it didn't bloody record. I will have to wait for the BBC3 rerun tomorrow.

This is why going to watch the match down the pub is bad.