Spike Lives! (Anime talk)

[Reply #440 on:]

Correct on every count except I still maintain that one thing can be enjoyed in its own right, on its own merits, regardless of what new things come after... If you get my drift.

[Reply #441 on:]

You're somewhat right.  If a book had a chapter in it that one found quite displeasing, they could just as easily rip out all the pages of that chapter and never refer to it again.

In fact, you could do this just as easily with real life.  Your memories aren't real anyways; they're more of a collection of sticky notes that you rewrite every time you gather them up; you can even change the details and spend the rest of your life looking for John G.

However, there's an argument contrary to the perspective of what you're suggesting.  I can't unsee the prequels of Star Wars, for example.  They exist, and not only do they exist as some random fanfiction rubbish I found on an old newsgroup, they were actually crafted into films that were intended (I guess?) to coincide with the movies that preceded them.  Not only were they intended to coincide with the original films, the original films are actually expected to borrow from the things we see depicted into the prequel movies; ie, Luke asking if Obi Wan participated in the clone wars; ie all the storm troopers are no longer actual people (also we shouldn't be concerned about them at all, they're essentially droids with flesh); ie when yoda explains the force to luke, what he REALLY means to say is that Luke has a bunch of little parasites living him.  You get my drift?  This is detrimental to those entire scenes.  Yoda is no longer a sage master, holder of secrets that have been passed down through hundreds of generation; no, now he's a crazy old midget that decided to live in a swamp and hide from the emporer because he's a little bitch that couldn't hold his own in a force battle, or have enough foresight to manage people so that it wasn't a one-on-one battle to begin with.  With the prequels in place, it's no wonder Luke was able to subdue an entire galactic empire; every single individual in that galaxy is now a fucking retard (except Han Solo, thank goodness).

Obviously this is wholly ambiguous given the fictional contexts that we're discussing.  In fact, there's even precedence that fanfiction can be canon too!  That's why King Arthur gets excalibur, Lancealot fucks his wife, and he's on a forever quest for a cup.  However, distinguishing through these mediums, their consequences on thought, and their ability to manipulate social perception, it's important to distinguish what the original artists intended, and to realize that each medium has its own strengths and weaknesses.  As an example, you're reading through a lot of star wars books lately, that are probably expertly crafted and tell reasonable stories... but Star Wars was originally a film, and in that respect there were prequels made to modify that original film format.  For whatever reason (there are many) the films made to conjoin those stories were more than subpar; they invalidated many of the emotions associated with that original story. 

We can certainly pretend that such things don't exist, but that doesn't make them cease to exist.

[Reply #442 on:]

It's called intertextuality. The word invented by English professors to say everything you just said, but with only one word. Also applies to the change of perception of fictional works in different historical/social contexts.

I do understand it and admit that its applicable, but only to a certain extent. I have to maintain that in many instances it's really a matter of mindset. While it's true that you can't "unsee" something, I personally have no trouble pretending for the duration that I haven't. I do it successfully with ease. That's why spoilers don't really spoil anything for me. Perhaps it's a unique skill... The EU books for example don't seem to be canon any more because of new information offered in the prequels - so I have put the prequels entirely out of mind and proceeded in the view that they were never made (something many people probably wish they could do).

Works for me within a work too. If I see or read something that's outrageously unrealistic I can just re-write it in my mind and continue with the story. Mental editing.

Yeah, it doesn't make them cease to exist. But the ability to ignore unpleasant things is an important one to have in general. We'd all go mad otherwise.

Thus: Cowboy Bebop 2.
You don't have to watch it, anyway.

[Reply #443 on:]

Or a Cowboy Bebop live action movie with Keanu Reeves starring!

[Reply #444 on:]

Yeah well, there are some travesties even I can't ignore.

[Reply #445 on:]

Keanu Reeves is a good person and a good actor.

[Reply #446 on:]

I'm sure he's probably a good person...

[Reply #447 on:]

I have to agree with coldy on this one. Keanu cannot emote and is not anywhere as awesome as the role of Spike would require him to be.

[Reply #448 on:]

Only film I ever saw where he kinda acted like someone who isn't Keanu Reeves was the forgotten little Cate Blanchett gem 'The Gift'. He was a nasty sinister redneck type. Although to be honest, his beard put in a better performance than the rest of him.

[Reply #449 on:]

I think Zachary Levi has the lankiness for a live-action Spike. I've decided this after our Chuck marathon where he kicks various butts and he made me think of Spike.

[Reply #450 on:]

Sure, but he's no Keanu Reeves!

[Reply #451 on:]

Levi has the hair too. But I'm not sure he could pull off the whole 'gloomy-but-sardonic' style of cool. Give him a couple of years to mature.

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[Reply #453 on:]

That's his only look.
Anyway, he says it isn't happening.

[Reply #454 on:]

Just thought I'd let everyone in the UK know that Film4 are showing a whole load of Studio Ghibli films in December. Ponyo's already been on, I think, but there are a whole load more on the way!

[Reply #455 on:]

There are a load more:

Times and dates

[Reply #456 on:]

How did I miss that!?
I only got the chance to record Ponyo

[Reply #457 on:]

Awww I really wanted to watch Ponyo.

Anyway I'm enjoying You Can (Not) Advance from Rebuild of Evengalion.  Mari is my favorite character along with Rei.

[Reply #458 on:]

Awww I really wanted to watch Ponyo.

I haven't got the chance to watch it yet.

[Reply #459 on:]

How did I miss that!?
I only got the chance to record Ponyo

Get the DVDs, all of them!

[Reply #460 on:]

How did I miss that!?
I only got the chance to record Ponyo

Get the DVDs, all of them!

Why would I waist money (Which I don't have) on something that I can watch on TV for free?

[Reply #461 on:]

Several reasons.

• TV limits your times when you can view it.
• DVDs you can watch any time you like.
• TV only shows the dub.
• DVD lets you watch the original audio.
• DVD has extra features which are often times really interesting and informative.
• Movies on TV are often times chopped up and have more commercial time than actual movie time.

Among other.

[Reply #462 on:]

Okay I know I was just joking.

[Reply #463 on:]

Waist money?

[Reply #464 on:]

I only ever saw the first few episodes of Blood+, but I always liked Blood: The Last Vampire so I thought I should give this a try too.
With the character design and story by CLAMP you know you will get quite something different than before, but their collaboration with Production I.G worked out more than well here.

The story is nothing special, but far from bad.
Saya lives with her dad, the head of her hometown's shrine. She goes to school and has friends there and is also very good friends with the next door neighbour and owner of the only café in the town, where she normaly eats.
She has to face off against the Elder Bairns that feast on human and she swore to defeat them. Though more and more they try to tell her that not everything is the way she has been told all her life.


Obviously for a part of the Blood fanchise there is lots of blood and death.
Especially considring that there are only 12 episodes and a total of 12 Elder Bairns Saya has to face... and lots of innocent people in the  town die as well.
And considering the shortness of the show the character developement, especially in Saya of course, was pretty well made along with the story development.

Overall definitely worth watching.

[Reply #465 on:]

Got tnuk watching Death Note. I'll have him confirm or deny this later.

I very much love this anime

[Reply #466 on:]

I never finished death note sadly, even though I watched both of the Japanese live action movies which were very good. I must have been 3/4 through it.

[Reply #467 on:]

Finish the anime its really good. It's one of my favorites. It's awesome. The ending of it quite different from the movies... kinda in some ways

[Reply #468 on:]

Now I really enjoyed the anime up to the big change (if you have seen it you know what I mean) and ending was really good but the last quatre of the series was not a good.  Not to say it was bad, still a lot better than most shows out there, but the cat and mouse chase did not have the same edge.

Was a little bit of a shame that the anime did not have the epilogue from the manga but it would have messed with the pacing of the episode, so it was good idea not to include it.

Oh short review

Planetes

Good stuff, you should watch it.

A

[Reply #469 on:]

Yeah. I still need to finish the manga I have it all at home.

I agree about how the pacing and stuff changed. It changed a lot. Not gonna say what happens cause tnuk hasn't reached that far into it though. He's up to where L and Light are attached by handcuffs and L told Light he considered him a friend.

[Reply #470 on:]

They've finally put up Tales of Symphonia: The United World up.

Only been waiting over a year for it!

[Reply #471 on:]

Just up to episode 6 of Elfen Lied and it's a really enjoyable and interesting show. I'm so hooked on it though I've watched 6 episodes in 2 days..

[Reply #472 on:]

I somewhat enjoyed it.  Wait, whose dead?

[Reply #473 on:]

Haven't seen a good anime series in a while. Someone write me up a list of pimpable shows, thanks. Your reward will be, er, I might get around to watching them and talking about them at some point.

For the record, I've previously enjoyed a lot of work by Satoshi Kon, Shinichiro Watanabe, Bones, Production IG, etc. Generally enjoy sci-fi/action. Not a huge fan of overly juvenille antics that pervade a lot of medium, so the less of that, the better.

Now... GOGOGO

[Reply #474 on:]

I really enjoyed Death Note. That is all. You may return to your scehduled discussion.

[Reply #475 on:]

Slacky: A few recommendations:

Baccano!

Durarara!!

Rideback

Eden of the East

Level E

Shangri-la

[Reply #476 on:]

Just finished with Elfen Lied  and god what a final! I laughed, I cried, and I cried with happiness. It's such a shame the special wasn't dubbed in English.

[Reply #477 on:]

A shame it wasn't dubbed? Please get out.

And I've wanted to see Eden of the East but I haven't yet, I don't know if I ever will but I would like to see it!

[Reply #478 on:]

Well the English dub wasn't censored or anything and the voices were done very well, so I don't see why it wasn't dubbed

[Reply #479 on:]

I personally have no problem with dubs if they're done well.
The tradition of having many of the female characters screaming at the top of their lungs like 8-year-old girls has always annoyed me though.