coldangel

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Correct on every count except I still maintain that one thing can be enjoyed in its own right, on its own merits, regardless of what new things come after... If you get my drift.
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winna

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« Reply #441 on: 12-09-2011 14:44 »
« Last Edit on: 12-09-2011 14:52 »
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You're somewhat right. If a book had a chapter in it that one found quite displeasing, they could just as easily rip out all the pages of that chapter and never refer to it again.
In fact, you could do this just as easily with real life. Your memories aren't real anyways; they're more of a collection of sticky notes that you rewrite every time you gather them up; you can even change the details and spend the rest of your life looking for John G.
However, there's an argument contrary to the perspective of what you're suggesting. I can't unsee the prequels of Star Wars, for example. They exist, and not only do they exist as some random fanfiction rubbish I found on an old newsgroup, they were actually crafted into films that were intended (I guess?) to coincide with the movies that preceded them. Not only were they intended to coincide with the original films, the original films are actually expected to borrow from the things we see depicted into the prequel movies; ie, Luke asking if Obi Wan participated in the clone wars; ie all the storm troopers are no longer actual people (also we shouldn't be concerned about them at all, they're essentially droids with flesh); ie when yoda explains the force to luke, what he REALLY means to say is that Luke has a bunch of little parasites living him. You get my drift? This is detrimental to those entire scenes. Yoda is no longer a sage master, holder of secrets that have been passed down through hundreds of generation; no, now he's a crazy old midget that decided to live in a swamp and hide from the emporer because he's a little bitch that couldn't hold his own in a force battle, or have enough foresight to manage people so that it wasn't a one-on-one battle to begin with. With the prequels in place, it's no wonder Luke was able to subdue an entire galactic empire; every single individual in that galaxy is now a fucking retard (except Han Solo, thank goodness).
Obviously this is wholly ambiguous given the fictional contexts that we're discussing. In fact, there's even precedence that fanfiction can be canon too! That's why King Arthur gets excalibur, Lancealot fucks his wife, and he's on a forever quest for a cup. However, distinguishing through these mediums, their consequences on thought, and their ability to manipulate social perception, it's important to distinguish what the original artists intended, and to realize that each medium has its own strengths and weaknesses. As an example, you're reading through a lot of star wars books lately, that are probably expertly crafted and tell reasonable stories... but Star Wars was originally a film, and in that respect there were prequels made to modify that original film format. For whatever reason (there are many) the films made to conjoin those stories were more than subpar; they invalidated many of the emotions associated with that original story.
We can certainly pretend that such things don't exist, but that doesn't make them cease to exist.
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coldangel

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It's called intertextuality. The word invented by English professors to say everything you just said, but with only one word. Also applies to the change of perception of fictional works in different historical/social contexts.
I do understand it and admit that its applicable, but only to a certain extent. I have to maintain that in many instances it's really a matter of mindset. While it's true that you can't "unsee" something, I personally have no trouble pretending for the duration that I haven't. I do it successfully with ease. That's why spoilers don't really spoil anything for me. Perhaps it's a unique skill... The EU books for example don't seem to be canon any more because of new information offered in the prequels - so I have put the prequels entirely out of mind and proceeded in the view that they were never made (something many people probably wish they could do).
Works for me within a work too. If I see or read something that's outrageously unrealistic I can just re-write it in my mind and continue with the story. Mental editing.
Yeah, it doesn't make them cease to exist. But the ability to ignore unpleasant things is an important one to have in general. We'd all go mad otherwise.
Thus: Cowboy Bebop 2. You don't have to watch it, anyway.
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coldangel

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Yeah well, there are some travesties even I can't ignore.
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coldangel

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I'm sure he's probably a good person...
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coldangel

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Only film I ever saw where he kinda acted like someone who isn't Keanu Reeves was the forgotten little Cate Blanchett gem 'The Gift'. He was a nasty sinister redneck type. Although to be honest, his beard put in a better performance than the rest of him.
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coldangel

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Levi has the hair too. But I'm not sure he could pull off the whole 'gloomy-but-sardonic' style of cool. Give him a couple of years to mature.
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winna

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coldangel

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That's his only look. Anyway, he says it isn't happening.
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Several reasons. - TV limits your times when you can view it.
- DVDs you can watch any time you like.
- TV only shows the dub.
- DVD lets you watch the original audio.
- DVD has extra features which are often times really interesting and informative.
- Movies on TV are often times chopped up and have more commercial time than actual movie time.
Among other.
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 I only ever saw the first few episodes of Blood+, but I always liked Blood: The Last Vampire so I thought I should give this a try too. With the character design and story by CLAMP you know you will get quite something different than before, but their collaboration with Production I.G worked out more than well here. The story is nothing special, but far from bad. Saya lives with her dad, the head of her hometown's shrine. She goes to school and has friends there and is also very good friends with the next door neighbour and owner of the only café in the town, where she normaly eats. She has to face off against the Elder Bairns that feast on human and she swore to defeat them. Though more and more they try to tell her that not everything is the way she has been told all her life. Obviously for a part of the Blood fanchise there is lots of blood and death. Especially considring that there are only 12 episodes and a total of 12 Elder Bairns Saya has to face... and lots of innocent people in the town die as well. And considering the shortness of the show the character developement, especially in Saya of course, was pretty well made along with the story development. Overall definitely worth watching.
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Haven't seen a good anime series in a while. Someone write me up a list of pimpable shows, thanks. Your reward will be, er, I might get around to watching them and talking about them at some point.
For the record, I've previously enjoyed a lot of work by Satoshi Kon, Shinichiro Watanabe, Bones, Production IG, etc. Generally enjoy sci-fi/action. Not a huge fan of overly juvenille antics that pervade a lot of medium, so the less of that, the better.
Now... GOGOGO
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Tweek

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coldangel

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I personally have no problem with dubs if they're done well. The tradition of having many of the female characters screaming at the top of their lungs like 8-year-old girls has always annoyed me though.
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