"Now where did I put that darn island?!" Lost thread!

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D&M?
Oh, dinner and movie?
Drugs and masturbation?

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no,

Dialysis and Munging.

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Episode two running commentary from me.

After watching this I will go back and read through other commentaries.. woot!!

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"Bloup!" haha Hurley. Very true.

Ana Lucia!! Ohhh faaaaaake. so what's this? "the island" talking through spirits again?

lol at sawyer and his shirt obcession. Love it. Who the hell is Neil anyway? Never seen him before so, he probably dies.

hehe no, looks like you HEART them.

Hey what city skyline is that outside the petrol/gas station? Oh it's LA.

Who's on the phone? Ben - no.

Whaaa "he's dead isn't he?" And no answer from Ben? I wonder!!

Hurley's Dad! ...that's a shitload of caviar.

Need a doctor - who ya gonna callllll... Jack Shephard! *sings*

It's Sun. ...except I'm wary of her, she's gone all crazy vengence lady now.

whaaaaaaat is ben up to!??!? Who are these butcher people!

Oh Dan. You can't lie to save your life... we heart dan! What's going onnnn...

Ease up there, Frogurt.

Oh fuck flying flame arrows! Fuuuck! Holy shit that looks painful.

haha Mom please!

Does Sun blame Jack? Or Ben? for the loss of her husband.. i'm blurred..

But seriously, why is Jack so buddy-buddy with Ben all of a sudden, so trusting and reporting back to him constantly? Also - is that face when he finds out Jack's got Sayid a good or bad face?

Hugoooo don't tell her the truth!!! You big pansy! hahah now you just sound like a mental person. True, nobody would believe that story...

Juliette and Sawyer are gonna make out one of these days. Geez Sawyer get some shoes!

Whoa, how far back in time have they gone? Back to early Dhama days?

Insta wake up needle!! Stab!

lols at Hugo throwing pastry at Ben in surprise.... "to go back to the Island" I totally guessed that line.

Hurley you're insane, Ben is soooo pissed now!

What the hell.. OH look, it's Locke to save the day with his man boobs!

ohhh crazy butcher people are a cult who are ben's bosses? Who do theyyyy work for though?

Rayus????

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Oh shit, so the lady at the end of the ep TOTALLY was not who I thought it was

EDIT: Made my linking clearer for certain dumdums...

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Ahhhh thankyou for the link!

Who was the butcher shop lady? And who are the two names she dropped (i don't recall without going back to the episode) who were "out the back"?

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Jill

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It's interesting how Hurley proclaimed he would remember this moment on the boat against Sayid, saying if he ever needed help in the future he wouldn't help him... then flash forward three years and he's there saving his darted ass out of the Safehouse!
Will that promise ever go further? or does that just show Hurley is a good guy no matter what to help his "friends"..

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When I put in my real name Sawyer nicknamed me:
"WINNA"

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That's amazing.

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Neil Frogurt is somewhat of a running gag created by Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse. People kept asking ca Season 2 when the other survivors would step up and be important on the show (since they just appear to be killed or to attend a speech by Jack, etc). Damon and Carlton responded by saying that Neil Frogurt would be an extra who would soon become "more interesting." (Likely made up on the spot as a joke). Frogurt never showed up but the producers insisted they hadn't forgotten about him and told a little of his background, including that he used to sell frozen yogurt ("Frogurt"). Still no Frogurt in Season 3 then the Missing Pieces came out before Season 4 and LOL! frogurt is in one! He likes Libby and gets mad at Hurley for trying wo win her over! Bernard says he used to sell frozen yogurt, Hurley calls him Frogurt, Neil gets mad and says "It's Neil!" Then he dies in Season 5

Quoted again for those of you who don't know who Neil "Frogurt" was

Oh shit, so the lady at the end of the ep TOTALLY was not who I thought it was

Chay, if you're reading Lostpedia you probably found out that

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Isabel is dead. Don't know how Damon and Carlton just said she was at Comic Con before season 4

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Yeah, i noticed that, but couldn't remember when it actaully happened, but put it down to crappy memory.

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It seems that everyone agreed in that

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woman is the mother of Faradai

Also im tired of

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The slaying of survivors... ok , Neil was an ass but what happened to him was quite obvious..not only because he was an ass but because to me this confirms the "if its a survivor wich is NOT a main character and he/she speaks for himself.. then he/she WILL die very soon , its stupid, for me it translated into "im a shitty writer who doesnt know the stuff he is writing and i cant do anything interesting with any character that is not the famous main ones so i kill them because death is cool" ..is boring , obvios, forced and predictible.. i knew Neil was going to die the second he began to speak for himself 

Apart from that they are quite interesting and good eps

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I think your last point Javier is really more of a running injoke that the Lost writers have... so many fans have said how non-speaking survivors are always slayed... and I think with everyone calling him the wrong name, and him correcting himself - as if to defend his worthiness of being there (on the show) - was really hilarious. Of course he was going to get killed off... I laughed, it was great.

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And he had a red shirt on when he did, bonus points!

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* winna highfives Faze

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Hey Chay - about that whole

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You can't do something it you didnt do it cuz you can't change the past thing - with Sawyer, Juliet, and Locke?

Well here is my theory about that

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We know they are in the way past now because the hatch wasnt even found yet.  What if those people are French Chicks people - and locke and the other original gang killed them?  If time is able to jump like that it could be that "things" happen at a constant.  Like all of this has happened before (in the future) compared to where they are now.  So when they went back in their time line, they killed them all.  But dont realize it cuz in their time line they went back after they knew frenchies people died. But in other timeline it already happened? 

Does that make any sense.  Probably not.

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Also im tired of

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The slaying of survivors... ok , Neil was an ass but what happened to him was quite obvious..not only because he was an ass but because to me this confirms the "if its a survivor wich is NOT a main character and he/she speaks for himself.. then he/she WILL die very soon , its stupid, for me it translated into "im a shitty writer who doesnt know the stuff he is writing and i cant do anything interesting with any character that is not the famous main ones so i kill them because death is cool" ..is boring , obvios, forced and predictible.. i knew Neil was going to die the second he began to speak for himself 

Yeah, Ninaka's right, its a joke.

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The writers refer to them as "redshirts," a reference to Star Trek when all the engineering characters in red shirts would come out of nowhere to accompany Kirk, Spock, etc on missions and would be killed off in the same episode. Neil was even wearing a red shirt.

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I know its a joke.. but its a bad one.. and uterly nimaginative one

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Shhhh, Neil was awesome.  Haven't you people ever seen the People Under the Stairs?  ROACH?

ROACH = (about a min in) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXtrR551yNo

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Javier, that's like saying the whispers in the jungle are unimaginative or that the "Jaws" theme is unimaginative. It lets you know something exciting is about to happen...danger is around the corner...but what? where? how?

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I bet the flaming arrows still caught you by surprise even though you knew Neil was about to die.

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Bear's right, they did catch me by surprise!

Well here is my theory about that

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We know they are in the way past now because the hatch wasnt even found yet.  What if those people are French Chicks people - and locke and the other original gang killed them?  If time is able to jump like that it could be that "things" happen at a constant.  Like all of this has happened before (in the future) compared to where they are now.  So when they went back in their time line, they killed them all.  But dont realize it cuz in their time line they went back after they knew frenchies people died. But in other timeline it already happened? 

Does that make any sense.  Probably not.

I think I know what you mean, but now when I need to add or continue what I wanted to say about it I have no idea where to start. I'll just agree with you cuz I think you might be on the right track there. I think.

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yah, I guess my best explanation of it is like in Harry Potter and the Prisoner If you havent seen it

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Harry and his uncle are saved by some guy casting a spell.  Harry then travels back in time and sees himself and uncle dying, and realizes that he is the one that cast the spell.  His "future self" on the time line had already done it, but his "current self" had to figure it out once in the situation.

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It was his godfather

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BEAR, LIKE IT MATTERS, THEIR RELATIONSHIP WAS MORE THAN JUST THAT, THEY WERE FAMILY.

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Amy, i sorta know what you mean, but Dan was saying that there aren't multiple "Roads" as he decribed it. So whatever has happened can't be changed (or split off into something different), and your Harry Potter parrallel kinda works, but I'm wondering where they can draw the line of what they can and can't (or Did and Didn't) do, like Dan was saying that des wouldn't answer the door*, yet Locke was able to tackle/kill the olde Dharma people...

* - This isn't a great example, cause Dan then went on to talk to des, but you know what I mean.

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yah, its confusing. 

What bugs me though is that when desmond was skipping between now and the past, he met Dan.  Since we know that what he did in his past effected the future because of the whole telling penny to call him thing, shouldnt he have recognized Dan?  Or no because by those standards he hadnt gone back in time and met him yet.

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Mmm, i think the second thing, for some reason Des is the exception, so he can see him in the past and he only remembers in present time...

Hopefully they can explain the rules a little more in the next few eps.

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lols at Hugo throwing pastry at Ben in surprise....

That was the best thing since "Dude, he has a name. It's Roger Workman."

These new episodes did reignite the excitement that is waiting for the next episode of Lost which always dies down after months of waiting for a new season but it is losing its touch a bit. Early seasons posed questions I wanted to be answered NOW but these episodes pose some questions I can't even be bothered to ask.

What bugs me though is that when desmond was skipping between now and the past, he met Dan.  Since we know that what he did in his past effected the future because of the whole telling penny to call him thing, shouldnt he have recognized Dan?  Or no because by those standards he hadnt gone back in time and met him yet.

I agree with the second one. Dan says you can't change anything in time...so him meeting Desmond in the 'past' hadn't really happened until it happened...it was still in line with time and since Desmond is special and has a sexy accent he was able to be at the two places at once. Yeah, that explains it..

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I wonder how they're going to get Hurley out of jail in 72 hours

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I wonder how they're going to get Hurley out of jail in 72 hours

I think that will be easier than getting Kate and Sun along.. but now that Sun wants Ben dead she will probably get along to get close him

Geting Hugo out of jail can be easy.. Ben is very powerfull and appears to have a big organization outside the island.. they can inperson some lawyer or psquiatric doctor or something to "traslade" Hugo and thats it..

Wonder if Hugo's mother really believe the history so far.. she said she does but she could be just trying to confort Hugo

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Maybe Ben will get a full-body tattoo and deliberately get incarcerated so he can break Hurley out?

Annyway, everyone else has probably already assumed this, but...

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I'm guessing they need The Oceanic 6 back because the remaining survivors needs a constant in order to stop the time skips, or else they'll die just like that guy did in The Constant. Charlotte's nosebleed is a pretty major sign things are only going to get worse. The others aren't skipping through time with it because they're all their - they have their own constant already because none of them have left except Ben, and Jacob pretty much wanted him to leave.

This, of course, begs the question - was it Ben's intention to send the island through time like this? Would be VERY effective in terms of stopping Widmore from finding the island, but I don't think he would've let the Oceanic 6 leave so easily if he knew he was going to need them back eventually anyway.

Either way, I am loving the direction they're going in! The show's always had elements of sci-fi but now they're going all out and it's truly inspiring. The first two episodes were awesome (the premiere especially) and I can only imagine it's going to get better the deeper we get. Bring on 503! 

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No, I think they need the O6 so that

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When the island jumps back to 2004 (or whatever year it was when they left) everything will be as it was and time can stabilize again. I think the jumps weren't supposed to happen when Ben moved the island - they did because when Ben moved it people who had just been within its sphere had recently left

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Beamer

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I get what you mean with the constant thing, but there are so many people still on the island that they know.  I'm not sure how knowing Jack would make a difference.  Plus, remember John saw Richard?  That didn't suddenly bring everything back to normal.

Oh, and I think it'll be easy to get Kate to come along, considering whats happening with her.

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Yes, I'm thinking Ben may have sent the lawyers to pursuade Kate to leave

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I get what you mean with the constant thing, but there are so many people still on the island that they know.  I'm not sure how knowing Jack would make a difference.  Plus, remember John saw Richard?  That didn't suddenly bring everything back to normal.

A constant isn't just "someone you know," it also has to be "someone/something you care about immensely." eg. Sawyer might not give a shit if Jack's back. If any of the O6 is going to be his constant, it's Kate.

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Thats not true.  Last season Dan wrote in his notebook that he needed to use Desmond as his constant.  They do not care about each other immensely.

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Could be because Des is the exception to the rule?

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Why did Desmond only remember meeting Dan outside the hatch when he was on the boat 3 years after, seems like he would have known about it from the time he met Dan onwards?

Gah time travel!
Edit: Maybe you guys were talking about it already but I'm not reading PEEL a lot these days soz.

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Faze, I think its because that memory was added right then in his time. 

Lets say Chay went back in time and punched you in the face.  You suddenly wake up (in current time) and remember it, because until that moment, it wasnt a memory.

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chay meet me after school in the playground, you're dead!

Still confusing, because once he punches me... I know about it from the time he did it... not from the time he went back to do it.... or something... GAH!