Tweek
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She was certainly the best Prime Minister in my life time. People who rejoice at another person's death have something wrong with them What she did in taking on the unions was fantastic; they thought they could bring down a democratically elected government (and in the past had done).
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Zed 85
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« Reply #723 on: 04-09-2013 18:45 »
« Last Edit on: 04-09-2013 18:47 »
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This brings up something interesting for me. Tweek, does that sentiment also hold true for Osama Bin Laden? Because plenty of people were definitely cheering at that. (I found all the rejoicing disgusting.)
In my opinion, technically, yes, though only to a degree. I honestly find it barbaric to go outside and rejoice in the death of another person, though the emotions behind it are quite understandable. I think many of us will probably experience some feeling of satisfaction over the demise of certain people, in certain circumstances, and I won't pretend I haven't. Instances when sometimes you feel some people get what they deserve, like, for instance, prolific criminals who attempt to shoot their way to freedom, or at least go out in a blaze of glory, but just end up sprawled in a stupid pose on the sidewalk. Maybe they wanted to kill others, but were literally stopped dead before they could. I can't claim that I don't often feel a sense of "Ha!" when I see news stories like that. Then I move on. Then you have people like Osama Bin Laden - he callously plotted and organised the murders of thousands of people across the world. Then he hid. Then he got stopped. You can understand people feeling that justice was served. Shamil Basayev - notorious Chechen warlord, whose only remorse about Beslan was that he couldn't have done it in a larger Russian city and involved more people. Bastard. Died when the bombs he was transporting in a truck blew up prematurely (or the FSB tinkered with them). LOL! Then you have people like Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein - you could claim that the celebrations were at least partially tied to the fact that with their deaths, their oppressive regimes had also been brought crashing down, and that a terrible chapter in the lives of their people was at an end (though the next chapter may not have been much better, hohohosatire!) But Margaret Thatcher hasn't been in power for over 22 years. She was effectively overthrown at that point too, so its not like she's been a huge personal influence on the day-to-day running of the country since then either, which of course has seen 4 different Prime Ministers, from two different parties since then. She largely retired from private life a decade ago and has been suffering from dementia that's basically robbed her and her family of any real semblance of who she once was. She was essentially just an 87-year-old woman, who died from a stroke. So what part of her death are we celebrating, exactly? And injuring police officers in the process?
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Tweek
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Yes; I found the rejoicing distasteful... had he been captured then rejoicing would be logical. I guess in his case some might claim that they were really rejoicing because he had been stopped from doing more bad things.
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sparkybarky
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"It's a hell of a thing killin' a man. You take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have." From Unforgiven.That scene is probably the heart of the entire movie.
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DrThunder88
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Pat Summerall also died. We all remember him too, right?
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DannyJC13
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Jeff Hanneman, guitarist for Slayer, died on Thursday.
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Gorky
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I'm assuming there was a lot of mud-wrestlingslinging involved in that particular race?
Also: I like the term "first gentleman"; it sounds a lot nicer than "first lady," which has always struck me as a little informal (like, "Hey, lady, you got some spare change for bus fare?").
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Svip
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I'm assuming there was a lot of mud-wrestlingslinging involved in that particular race?
Also: I like the term "first gentleman"; it sounds a lot nicer than "first lady," which has always struck me as a little informal (like, "Hey, lady, you got some spare change for bus fare?").
How American must one be to think that 'Lady' is an informal title.
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Gorky
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How American must one be to think that 'Lady' is an informal title.
I mean, my Ford pick-up's not painted red, white, and blue or anything--but I guess I'm pretty American. Seriously, though, I think I have this prejudice against the word "lady" because I often hear my coworkers referring to female customers as "that lady," and I find it kind of dismissive. It seems like the feminine equivalent of "that guy"--a term that, though lacking in overt disrespect, is by no means formal.
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AllEggsIn1Basket
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Gorky, I understand what you mean. I notice there's usually a tone of criticism when people use "mother" instead of "mom" in a sentence. Things like, "Knowing my mother, she'll have spent every dime of my father's life insurance money before he's even in the ground." Even though mother is a perfectly useful word for demonstrating the female side of the parent-child equation, it just is used with a certain ring to it that comes off as somewhat negative in casual conversation.
When it comes to "lady" and "ladies," though, I use the terms frequently for groups of women I know, like "Oh, the ladies in my office held a baby shower for someone in accounting." In that case, it's just a collective term instead of a loaded one. But when "lady" is used about a woman with whom one is not familiar, it usually is used in a negative way. "Some lady cut me off in traffic," or "Some lady in the doctor's office was complaining about how much her bunions hurt as she ground her 4 inch heels into the waiting room carpet." I'm not one for cursing, so maybe other people come right out and say "some bitch," but I reserve "lady" for that kind of use.
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Tweek
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Richard LeParmentier; best known for his portrayal of Admiral Motti; a relatively small part in the original Star Wars has died.
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Tachyon
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Look up. Higher. A bit higher. There!
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Tachyon
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^^^-- This was confirmed to be an internet hoax - sry I don't have a confirming link at the moment.
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Tachyon
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Arrrgh - I saw a retraction on FB, linking to this, then it's been bouncing back and forth. Sad if it's true.
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Tweek
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Author Tom Sharpe has died His books were so funny that I laughed until I cried reading some of them.
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