Heroes

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If they were real Cork accents we'd need subtitles.

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I'd like to cork your accent, if ya know what I mean.

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This show has such awesome characters but I cannot for the life of me follow the complex interwoven plot(s)! Damn my non multitasking brain! 

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If Claire can grow another toe, can the toe grow another Claire?
That would be a cool special effect, just this naked cheerleader growing and mutating out of a little pinky-toe... *fappity-fap*

She could make an army of herself by just chopping off bits and pieces! 

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I don't think so.  She's more like a salamander than a starfish.

I guess that Claire's science class is bio after all, but I still want to know what they were doing with those Bunsen burners.

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As sexy as that would be. I think they have shown that her healing powers only work if her brain is intact.

Just wish they would speand more time on Hiro and Kensei. Although I am getting more intested in Peter's stoy, I wonder if this is the start of him becoming more villainous. Still no sign of DL and Nikki as of yet.

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Originally posted by wu_konguk:
Just wish they would speand more time on Hiro and Kensei.

Yes.  I wouldn't mind an episode that was just Hiro in the past for the whole hour.

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I just seen it!

Peter, wet and topless = Sexy  And I think HIro could really be Kensei

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I would've agree with the last part of your post there Juliet, yet the Clair power that Kensei is now seen to have kind of refutes that. I think both of them, together, are the basis of the present day Kensei story.

wu: The previews for the next episodes, showing Sylar in Peter's position (deposited somewhere, doesn't know who he is) points in the direction that either they'll reverse roles in this season, or Sylar will be good this season as to combat the "greater evil" that's supposed to be coming. I think the latter is the more likely, and more attractive, of the two.


For me, the Hiro and Hiro's dad/Matt stories are the most interesting. Sylar will likely be interesting as well. Claire's story is still kind of lame, although her father is a little more interesting, especially with the Haitian/Suresh cross-story starting up now. I still don't get/don't like the Hispanic guy and girl story.

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Originally posted by i_c_weiner:
I would've agree with the last part of your post there Juliet, yet the Clair power that Kensei is now seen to have kind of refutes that. I think both of them, together, are the basis of the present day Kensei story.

Agreed.  I also think that Hiro is going to inspire Kensei to become the sort of hero that Hiro expected him to be.  Hiro does tend to have that kind of affect on people.

 

wu: The previews for the next episodes, showing Sylar in Peter's position (deposited somewhere, doesn't know who he is) points in the direction that either they'll reverse roles in this season, or Sylar will be good this season as to combat the "greater evil" that's supposed to be coming. I think the latter is the more likely, and more attractive, of the two.

That does seem more likely.  Personally, I'd rather not see Sylar turn good at all.  I'm not a big fan of the whole "last season's villain becomes the erstwhile ally of the heroes in their fight against this season's villain" thing.

 

I still don't get/don't like the Hispanic guy and girl story.

Well, Nikki's problems with her power seem to have been resolved, so I guess they needed a new character with an uncontrolable deadly power.  The twin brother who can counteract her power is a new twist, though.

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I just seen episode 3. Wow just wow. The last painting was interesting

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It's pretty obvious where the painting is meaning:

Show spoiler

West is the bad guy for the Season. He's about the same height and build as the guy who killed Hiro's dad. Also, the police chief said the ironic line of "Where do you think the guy went? Who do you know who can fly away?" Who do we know that can fly thus far? West and Nathan. Which do you think it could be from the two? And, yes, I really do think it will be somebody we already have seen as the new enemy. Plus, the painting implies, in my mind, that whoever Claire is having a romance with is the one who kills her father.

Also, I'm not too sure about Sylar. He seems to sort of know what's going on, but, at the same time, seems to have no idea what's going on. If this "new enemy" is supposed to be more powerful than Sylar, he will, at some point, have to go against this "new enemy", and thus side with the Heroes.

Other quick notes:
Hiro is the bomb diggity. Also, in my mind, Ando has to have powers if they devout so much time to him, even if some of it is due to the Hiro connection.
The Hispanics are picking up a little bit, but still lame.
Peter is a 'tard for not openning the box. I have a feeling like that girl is not good.
Nichelle Nichols! This is already one of my favorite story, and she only said one line!

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I don't believe that Sylar is going to become a good guy... not anytime soon anyways.  He eats (or takes apart) people's brains for crying out loud.  His power is an evil power, and in real life I'd be surprised anyone with any kind of power would want to be anywhere near him. 

Also... candice, or whatever her name was turned out to be a fat girl.  lolz.

Wait... that was kind of mean. 

lolz!!!

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I'm not feeling the Maya & Alejandro arc. It's quickly degenerating into the same thing over and over again: Oh no! They're gonna get separated! Oh no! Here comes the Runny Mascara of Doom! Oh no! Will Elejandro get back in time! Oh look! The RMOD took out everyone who was standing in their way, but the ones who can help them conveniently recover! Yawn.

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Originally posted by i_c_weiner:
Also, in my mind, Ando has to have powers if they devout so much time to him, even if some of it is due to the Hiro connection.

No, Ando's lack of powers is part of what makes him a great character.  Giving Ando powers would be like giving Snapper Carr powers.

Speaking of Hiro and Ando, why was Hiro putting the letters he wrote to Ando into the sword if he was about to return to the present as soon as he finished writing?  Why put them there at all if he's planning to eventually return anyway?

 

Originally posted by winna:
Also... candice, or whatever her name was turned out to be a fat girl. lolz.

Yup.  I guess I was right after all.   

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Originally posted by David A:
 Giving Ando powers would be like giving Snapper Carr powers.

Yeah, wouldn't that be a disaster. *thumbs through his old copy of "The Blasters" from '89*

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I know, I was purposely describing a similar situation.   

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Ic - I have to disagree about what you said with West being the bad guy this season.  Yeah, he can fly, so he could have killed Hiro's dad.  The problem with that is that the person who killed him they supposedly already knew, and was in the group of original heroes.  Unless West looks really young for his age - and can also turn invisible (like he did when attacking Mrs. P) it cant be him

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Unless it is him.  And he's secretly more evil than you could ever conceive.

Also, I agree David A, the sending scrolls to the future is stupid.  Hiro can presumably go to any point in time that he wishes, he could merely finish his business in the past and return a second after he had left the present.  Either the writers don't know how time travel works, or Hiro's power isn't that precise yet.  Or, Hiro isn't coming back. 

Or they want us to think all that so that West can sneak in and kill all the cool characters because he's secretly the most evil of them all and 

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OK, I'm calling it:

Show spoiler

The killer is... Peter Petrelli, who has absorbed Niki's split personality!

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Interesting call.  But isn't he like halfway around the world?  I meant across the ocean.  But sure, it's a good call.

I think the way Mr. Yumogata reacted leads us to believe that it was somebody he knew very well though.  Ie West who is actually 200 years old.

Also... why didn't we get to see some of the older people (the company creators) powers?  Ie, Mr. Yumogata (Hiro's daddy) and Mrs. Birdgirl (Patrelli mommy?)??

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Originally posted by winna:
Interesting call.  But isn't he like halfway around the world?  I meant across the ocean.  But sure, it's a good call.

Being halfway around the world isn't really a problem... he has Hiro's space/time warping power, remember?

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He does?  I thought Hiro and Peter only saw each other once on the finale last season.  And Peter may not have been aware of what that power was.

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[Zoidberg]*jumps up and down* Hooray! People are noticing me![/Z]

Yeah, now that I think about it, a good reason for focusing on Ando a little is because something happens with Hiro. I agree with the fact that Hiro could simply move in time to Ando to talk to him instead of writing to him. Perhaps it's just a back-up plan incase something happens.

I just hope that the Heroes: Origins heroes aren't as bad as Maya/Alejandro.

I don't think Peter has the time travel power. Sylar had it, if I remember correctly. Unless Peter stole it from Sylar, I doubt that Peter has it. So you're saying that not only would the split personality of Peter want to kill other heroes but also travel through space and time, go to New York from Ireland, and attempt to kill his own mother, all the while not having the Irish guys notice he left at all.

I'm sure they'll highlight the past generation heroes during the season sometime. I don't think the title of the season would be Generations if the season had nothing to do with past and future generations of heroes.

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Originally posted by Slackit02:
Ic - I have to disagree about what you said with West being the bad guy this season.  Yeah, he can fly, so he could have killed Hiro's dad.  The problem with that is that the person who killed him they supposedly already knew, and was in the group of original heroes.  Unless West looks really young for his age - and can also turn invisible (like he did when attacking Mrs. P) it cant be him

This season's villain is supposed to be more powerful than Sylar, so that means he probably has multiple powers.  It's certainly possible that those powers include being able to fly, turn invisible, and alter his appearance to make himself look much younger than he really is; so yes, it can be him.

 

Originally posted by winna:
Also, I agree David A, the sending scrolls to the future is stupid.  Hiro can presumably go to any point in time that he wishes, he could merely finish his business in the past and return a second after he had left the present.  Either the writers don't know how time travel works, or Hiro's power isn't that precise yet.  Or, Hiro isn't coming back.   

Hiro is coming back.  He promised Ando that he would.  I don't think he's coming back anytime soon, though.  He'll probably end up spending most, if not all of this season in the past.

Of course, no matter how long Hiro spends in the past, he could still come back right after he left, as you said.  Hell, he could come back before he left, if he wanted to do so.  However, that probably won't happen.

 

Originally posted by Slackit02:
I thought Hiro and Peter only saw each other once on the finale last season.

Peter also met future Hiro on the subway.  I'm pretty sure that Peter does have Hiro's powers, although he may not realize that he has them, or know how to use them (doubly so, since he has amnesia now).

 

Originally posted by i_c_weiner:
I don't think Peter has the time travel power. Sylar had it, if I remember correctly.

Sylar doesn't have time travel powers.  The only way that he could get those would be to kill Hiro.  I'd like to see him try.

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I still dont think its West.  Just because you see Claire hugging some guy in the painting doesnt mean that that guy killed her dad.  If it was West, he could have been comforting her?

And, I like Hiro's story, but ugh, he's totally in love... again?  Wasnt Andy the love of his life like ... 5 months ago?  He spends a day with this new chick and he's in love?  I dont buy it.  And I know he didnt go back to the future, and we are assuming his power wasnt working again, but I think it was more that he just didnt want to leave.

So Peter.  He never got very close to DL did he?  I mean, not close enough to touch, but he still got his power?  I wonder what the range is.  Does he have every power that Sylar has - or just Sylar's own personal "power" of brain eating or w/e. 

Anyone worried at all that powers run genetically?  Maybe that Japanese dude thats really British, whose name Im not even going to attempt to spell, is distantly related to Claire?  And if so, then West might be related to Nathan?

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Originally posted by Slackit02:
I still dont think its West.  Just because you see Claire hugging some guy in the painting doesnt mean that that guy killed her dad.  If it was West, he could have been comforting her?

West is a bad guy.  He might not be the bad guy, but he's obviously a bad guy.

 

And, I like Hiro's story, but ugh, he's totally in love... again?  Wasnt Andy the love of his life like ... 5 months ago?

Her name was Charlie.

 

And I know he didnt go back to the future, and we are assuming his power wasnt working again, but I think it was more that he just didnt want to leave.

His powers are working just fine.  He chose to stay.

 

So Peter.  He never got very close to DL did he?  I mean, not close enough to touch, but he still got his power?  I wonder what the range is.  Does he have every power that Sylar has - or just Sylar's own personal "power" of brain eating or w/e.

We've seen Peter use telekinesis, so we know he has at least one of Sylar's aquired powers.  We don't know if Peter has all of Sylar's powers, or just the ones that Sylar has used in Peter's presence, but the fact that Peter has D.L.'s power suggests the former.

 

Anyone worried at all that powers run genetically?  Maybe that Japanese dude thats really British, whose name Im not even going to attempt to spell, is distantly related to Claire?  And if so, then West might be related to Nathan?

If he's related to Nathan, that would mean he's related to Claire as well.  If he's making out with a blood relative, that doesn't really support your "West isn't evil" theory.

And yes, I'm pretty sure that it will eventually be revealed that Takeo Kensei is one of Claire's ancestors.

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Making out with a relative when you dont know they are related to you isnt evil.

So, if Peter is able to get any power from anyone thats remotely in range basically making him unstoppable, and he's got a necklace of the symbol, he can't remember who he is, and now he is working for criminals?  He seems much more likely to be the ultimate bad guy. 

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No, it wouldn't be evil if he didn't know.

But he knew that Clair was "different" the first time he talked to her.  He knew who her father was when he told her that sob story about being abducted by the man with the horn rimmed glasses.  If they're related, he probably knows that too.

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Theres never been a clear indication that he knows who her dad was. 

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He was peeping into their house at all hours of the day/night.  Of course he knows who her father is, and he told her that story so she'd use her power for evil to kill her father who is the most american character on the show.  He just wants to support his family and is willing to make any sacrifice to do so.

West is obviously the most evil character the show will ever know, he was even going to Claire's new school before she even got there so that he could get into her head.

Also also, obviously the new bad guy will be more powerful than Sylar.  Is that really that hard these days?  Sylar doesn't have any powers anymore, and hell, he can barely move without tearing a huge hole in his chest.  Also, maybe he didn't kill that image manipulation chick.... maybe she made him think he was killing her because she can manipulate the senses.

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I think the evil bad would be Claire father and West would be a hero trying to save Claire

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That's an interesting hypothesis.

I don't like the idea that Peter is the ultimate bad guy, not yet anyways.  He was clearly set up in the first season to be one of the few characters with a strong set of values trying to do the right. But that's why I have to make up reasons as to why he couldn't possibly be the ultimate bad guy.  Even without time travelling powers, he could have easily perpetrated the 8 murders.

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I want to see Really bad Sylar again

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Originally posted by winna:
Also also, obviously the new bad guy will be more powerful than Sylar.  Is that really that hard these days?  Sylar doesn't have any powers anymore, and hell, he can barely move without tearing a huge hole in his chest.

I meant more powerful than he was when he had his powers.  Remember Molly said that there was someone even scarier than the boogeyman.

 

Also, maybe he didn't kill that image manipulation chick.... maybe she made him think he was killing her because she can manipulate the senses.

I thought of that too, but if she wasn't really dead, I don't think that her corpse would have looked like the big fat person that she really is.

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Nichelle Nichols = sassy grandma! 

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Nichelle Nichols owned that episode. I would like to see if she has a power, and what it is if she has one. I like the new girl too. It could work out nicely. Also, on a semi-related note, I hope that Hiro's father isn't straight-out dead. Nichols and he could have some great, possibly funny, scenes.

I actually find myself cheering for Sylar at points. He's just that good of a character. I love to hate him and see what he does every week. He's the only reason, for me, that the Hispanic twosome is any bit interesting.

Odd how neither Hiro nor Peter were in this episode. Probably something to do with contract obligations. I remember that Studio 60 had a whole episode without the main leads because of contract obligations.

I have the gut feeling that West is bad. He just reeks of being bad, and, on a side note, he's one of the characters who annoys me most, along with those Hispanics and, in this season, Claire. It seems like Claire/West is getting so much face time that there has to be something there that's worth devoting so much time to.

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I'd bet anything West is evil; after this week's revelations, the q in my mind is whether he's the boogey man, or an agent of The Company, or something else altogether.

Now time for my own long-winded theorizing based on superficial clues and wild hunches!

West
Assuming west is bad, note that he not only tracked down Claire & fam, but arrived ahead of them; this suggests he, or at least an ally of his, can either read minds like ... cop-guy, blanking on name... or locate people remotely like Molly. He also flies. This makes me wonder if he's like Peter, or possibly even Sylar.

I'm forced to wonder if west is actually molly's boogeyman. This would suggest he also has the ability to create illusions (an ability we've seen) or to actually alter his own body (which we haven't seen), which would basically require West to be like Peter (or possibly sylar). A third possibility that occurs to me (though no doubt there are almost infinite possibilities at this point): the boogey man's ability could be influencing or outright taking over other people's minds. This could explain why Molly is so afraid of looking for him, and it would also let the writers have west go from good to evil and still pull a double-switch and have him end up good again.

regarding the notion that Claire is decended from Kensei... don't you think it's likely that they're all descended from Kensei?


Sylar

Sylar is clearly still evil, and has his memory if not his abilities. The big q about Syler in my mind is what happened to his abilities? Was he given the "cure" that was mentioned a few eps ago by the company? I assumed at the time it was just empty promises, but something's blocking his powers. Of course, the existance of such a cure, or even drugs which suppress abilities, begs the question of why alternate-future-suresh couldn't come up with one after a decade of trying... so perhaps sylar is altogether different somehow.

Speaking of which, is there any real consensus on what Sylar's actual power is? It's not the same as Peter, obviously. The earliest Sylar scenes made me think that his ability was to understand how things work and to manipulate them to his will. It was clear from the direction and sound effects during his earliest scene (fixing Suresh Sr.'s watch) and his first killing that the same ability which gave him his mastery of watches was related to the way he takes people's powers. I felt like they hinted at that again with him looking at his broken watch a few times this season, but they may only have intended to bring in his chosen name, Sylar, while he was giving the mexicans his given name, Gabriel.

I pose a radical theory here: What if Sylar's power is actually the same as Micah's? The way he uses it makes it seem more like Peter's, but we know peter doesn't have to eat anybody's brain to do what he does. We've only seen Micah manipulate technology, but there was a moment in ep 4 between him and his female cousin where I felt like he was feeling into her, understanding her, the same way he does with electronics when using his ability. He's always demonstrated an understanding of his parents' actions and secrets which was surprising for one so young.

Unlikely, perhaps, but certainly an interesting notion, at least to me.

Miscelaneous Musings
Lastly, The Haitian. He can extract memories... and detect windchimes? What's that about? I suspect he doesn't work alone, that he was always an agent planted in The Company as a spy by some rival group. It seemed to me somebody ordered him, or at least urged him, not to interfere with Claire or her knowledge back in season 1, and it seems unlikely it was the Company. One way or the other, I'm certain he knows far more than has been let on so far, possibly more than anyone else in the series.

It would be terribly cliche, but I expect DL's mother will turn out to be some kind of seer or prophet, similar to Isaac. After all, the older generation (the ones being killed off) clearly had future knowledge long before Isaac started painting the future, and they had to get it somewhere.

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I have a feeling Daddy Parkman is a red herring... no way they'd reveal the real killer this early.

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An excellent point, kryten; Molly did identify him as her boogey man, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's the killer. I still think he is, though; I see these killings as a season opener, not a full-season story arc. I expect the real crisis will be revealed in a few more episodes, and the killings themselves will just be a prelude to something bigger. I mean, we haven't really delved into WHY the killer is killing his old crew at all yet.