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Nerd-o-rama
Urban Legend
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« Reply #42 on: 04-20-2005 19:59 »
« Last Edit on: 04-20-2005 19:59 »
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So I have a question for you bigger nerds: what determines whether a Jedi fades to nothing when he dies?
Qui-gon Jinn: Impaled by Darth Maul, doesn't fade. Various Jedi Knights in Ep II: Shot, don't fade as far as I can tell. Obi-Wan: Lets Vader slash him, fades. Yoda: Dies of old age, fades. Anakin: Dies of equipment failure/electrocution, doesn't fade.
Both dead Sith we've seen fall down a pit, though we can see Maul doesn't fade.
We see Obi-wan, Yoda, and Anakin as "ghosts," so that doesn't seem to be necessarily connected. Dead Jedi that don't fade get funeral pyres.
What causes the fading out, then?
PS: The carbon freeze scene is my favorite in the entire series not involving lasers of some sort.
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i_c_weiner
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Theory 1: It's the good they've done as far as we can see.
We have no idea what Qui-gon has done, therefore, he doesn't fade. This being the same with the Jedi in Episode II.
Yoda and Obi Won have done great things that we've seen, so they get to be faded.
And Anakin hasn't done good, other than Episode II battle, so he didn't fade. And whose to say Anakin didn't fade away after Luke left Death Star 2?
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i_c_weiner
DOOP Secretary
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I think Ranadok's theory has some crediblity. The only thing is Anakin died after a "choice", being to through the Emperor into the shaft, leading to Anakin to be electricuted. That would be my only flaw in that theory.
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Nixorbo
UberMod
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I always thought it had to do with being able to become one with the Force. Obi-Wan had time as he stood there to prepare, and Yoda was just chilling anyway. Qui-gon, on the other hand, got gutted before he had a chance. Vader, I'm still not convinced he didn't fade.
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Pikka Bird
Space Pope
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« Reply #49 on: 04-20-2005 20:36 »
« Last Edit on: 04-20-2005 20:36 »
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I don't believe that you don't become one with the force just because you don't choose to perish by yourrself. As I explained, Anakin can't push it anymore, but I think Yoda could have held on a fair bit longer, and Obi-Wan, being a master of defensive saber duelling (form 2, I think, according to the Star Wars magazine), could have held his own against Vader indefiniteliy, but he knew he couldn't hope to defeat him, so he chose to lower his defenses. Anakin might have wanted to absorb every bit of his newfound connection to the light side and his reuniting with his son, so he might not have been in the right meditative state for him to fade. If he did fade, then I think a point would have been made to have us see it. Otherwise, I might as easily suggest that all the Jedi that were killed on Geonisis did fade when the cameras had finished rolling.
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SlackJawedMoron
Urban Legend
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Isn't there some crazy rumor about Lucas explaining all that in ep3, something to do with Qui-Gon being the first to figure it out or something? I dunno. That's no rumour, that's a space station fact! Check the novelisation. Apparently, Qui-Gon does the ghost thing without ever fading. Which is inconsistent with the rest of the series, but there you do.
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i_c_weiner
DOOP Secretary
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So that is the fact right there. All Jedi become ghost, fade away or not. This means the only problem is with how a Jedi fades away. I think the choice theory is the best, but that's just me.
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Nurdbot
DOOP Secretary
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Originally posted by Nasty Pasty: KOTOR III?
Is that gonna be an Xbox 2 title? *Shakes Digital 8 Ball* All signs point to yes.
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Nurdbot
DOOP Secretary
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Heheh, apparently The Weequay race use an space Eight Ball to contact there god, Quay.
Poor deluded Weequay.
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Nurdbot
DOOP Secretary
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I like them both.
And Tales of Mos Eisley Cantina was a lot better in my opinion.
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Nurdbot
DOOP Secretary
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Imagine, how many people died over 'ask again later'.
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i_c_weiner
DOOP Secretary
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How about they don't reveal that Anakin is Luke and Leia's father in the movie, but just say that he is a father? That's probally what they'll do.
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Nurdbot
DOOP Secretary
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The Emperor or Vader?
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Nurdbot
DOOP Secretary
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When you play Jedi Academy online, you learn to loathe the double bladed lightsaber with a passion.
Single Lightsaber I am, Old school I be.
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Nurdbot
DOOP Secretary
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Especially when they do that crouch floating lightsabers dealie. God I hate that.
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Nurdbot
DOOP Secretary
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I like to backflip at the last second, just to piss them off.
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Nurdbot
DOOP Secretary
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No, Palpatine/Sidious is the only Sith around at that time. What do you think there is always a Master and Apprentice mean?
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