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Action Jacktion
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« Reply #42 on: 09-19-2004 20:14 »
« Last Edit on: 09-19-2004 20:14 »
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Originally posted by DotheBartman: There's actually an interesting story about that, Winna. They WERE going to redo the Indiana Jones films....but of all things, "South Park" may have been what stopped them. http://www.jimhillmedia.com/mb/articles/showarticle.php?ID=253 I don't know about that. Complaints about the Star Wars Special Editions didn't stop Spielberg from making lots of changes to ET. But I wonder if the negative reaction to the new version of ET--including the fact that its theatrical release bombed--put Spielberg off making any changes to Indiana Jones. A new version of Raiders was never officially announced; the writer of that article just says he has sources that told him about it. But the DVD version of Raiders does have slight alterations to remove a few goofs, including the famous one where you can see the glass separating Harrison Ford from the snake.
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SlaytanicMaggot
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I was pissed that the classic star wars movies weren't going to be on the DVD, but then one of the star wars people said in an interview on NPR that the reason they don't have the classic versions on the DVDs is because the masters were deteriorated beyond the point where they could still be restored. They said that had they been able to find restorable masters, the classic movies would have definitely been on the DVD.
But then again, that wasn't Lucas talking, it was one of his associates. Lucas seemed to be pretty adamant in his Entertainment Weekly interview that the DVD versions of the movies are the complete versions, with everything he orignally envisioned them to have in them.
On a side note, while I dislike Lucas constantly altering his movies, as a person who wants to be a filmmaker, I do share his disdain for movie studios.
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Grim
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isnt it possible for the 30th anniversary they'll be changed even more? Hell! He might even go back and change Phantom Mennace!
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Nixorbo
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...Is that a bad thing?
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Nurdbot
DOOP Secretary
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Lucas's 23 year old mentally retarded son? Not even a child would like Jar-Jar.
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M Jackson
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I've just got my shiny new Star Wars DVDs in the post this morning and i've just watched the featurete abut the lightsabers. It's really good but what made it even better is as the credits run on one side of the screen, a few short clips of lightsaber spoofs in pop-culture are shown. And I was happily suprised to see the clip of Fry in War is the H Word cutting open the training droid and making all the candy fall out! Futurama has been offically acknowledged by Lucas, so all the millions of people who buy the DVD will see the Futurama clip. maybe it will lead to a whole new bunch of Futurama fans?
I've watched a few scenes in Return of the Jedi and if you've got a decent home cinema set-up you won't believe just HOW F***ING GOOD these films look and sound on DVD! The image quality looks just as good (maybe even better?) the Attack of the Clones! Stick with your grainy old VHS tapes you sad sarcastic nerds.
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Nurdbot
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Whoo, sounds like quite a purchase after all.
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Action Jacktion
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« Reply #60 on: 09-20-2004 09:49 »
« Last Edit on: 09-20-2004 09:49 »
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Originally posted by Grim: isnt it possible for the 30th anniversary they'll be changed even more? Hell! He might even go back and change Phantom Mennace! The DVD version of The Phantom Menace is already a lot different from the theatrical version. Some scenes are extended and others have been altered. Originally posted by VelourFog: Spielberg still released the original version of ET at the same time as the new version. Only the new version was released theatrically. People complained about it and it bombed. Later he put both versions on the DVD, and no one complained. If they were planning to do a new version of Indiana Jones, they probably would have released it with the original, but maybe the lack of interest in ET made them realize that people just don't care about special editions (and that they would have opened themselves up to even more criticism about changing their movies).
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Nurdbot
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So Jar-Jar-Moron will be speared by Anakin in a fit of rage with a light sabre?
*Does the happy bending dance*
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Otis P Jivefunk
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My dad got the set this morning, and I have full access to them too, for free!... Anyway, I watched the first one this afternoon, and couldn't believe the picture quality! It's absolutely astounding! It does vary slightly during the movie, some of the desert scenes aren't as sharp, still amazing though. Everything inside the spaceships could have been filmed yesterday! The sound is pretty damn good too, although you can tell it was done a long time ago more so on sound quality, than picture. I've read the sound quality is better in the other two anyway, not that it's bad or anything in the first...
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M Jackson
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The new footage of Hayden and the shot of Naboo celebrating intergrate very well to the ending montage of ROTJ. It really makes the original films tie together with the prequels. Better than just a couple of grainy shots of ewoks dancing around a campfire singing "yub yub" anyday. ONE thing that I can't believe Lucas hasn't improved in the Rancor! It looks pretty good in a couple of shots but overall it's the one effect in the trilogy that is now looking a bit dated. How come they even re-did the 1997 Jabba in a new hope AGAIN for the DVDs, but haven't made a cool CG Rancor? Surely even the "I'll stick with my shity old VHS" nerds would welcome an improved Rancor? A minor complaint for an otherwise OUTSTANDING DVD set.
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Nurdbot
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If they removed Hayden I wouldn't mind as much.
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SlaytanicMaggot
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Having been born in 1985, I guess I can't say I see the whole argument here. But I do want to know why the freaking Greedo thing is such a big fucking deal to everyone in the first place. I don't really see the deal why people care if Han shot first, but Lucas obviously felt it wasn't the character of Han Solo, and just decided to put in a few green beams. So fucking what? Like the dude who posted before me said, the only thing that bugs me is the Hayden Christain thing in "Return of the Jedi." But none of the changes will stop me from still enjoying the movies, or buying the DVDs. However, I will not buy the DVD's if they're like 50 bucks... Also, if everyone's so pissed at Lucas changing things so much, why didn't - and why isn't - anyone howling at Peter Jackson to not make the extended versions of the Lord of the Rings movies?
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Action Jacktion
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I don't know what you mean. I didn't say that two versions should have been released theatrically at the same time.
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Ranadok
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Originally posted by SlaytanicMaggot:Also, if everyone's so pissed at Lucas changing things so much, why didn't - and why isn't - anyone howling at Peter Jackson to not make the extended versions of the Lord of the Rings movies?
I can't speak for everyone else, but I don't have a problem with the extended editions of LOTR because they release both versions on DVD, made it known beforehand that both are going to be made, and Peter Jackson has said he considers the theatrical releases to be the official version. Of course, it doesn't hurt that the extra stuff in the EEs are good... On the general subject, I never got a chance to see the originals in theater, but I saw the special editions when they came out (Of course, I was already a big fan by that point, thanks to VHS), and yes, I did like them. However, I much prefer the originals, and really don't like the message that Lucas seems to be sending with these new DVD changes , mainly that it is okay for him to write sloppy prequels, as he can change the originals to match the new continuity and declare it as his "original vision". I won't be buying the DVDs, but I may rent them eventually.
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evan
Urban Legend
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« Reply #79 on: 09-20-2004 22:26 »
« Last Edit on: 09-20-2004 22:26 »
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Originally posted by SlaytanicMaggot: Having been born in 1985, I guess I can't say I see the whole argument here. But I do want to know why the freaking Greedo thing is such a big fucking deal to everyone in the first place. I don't really see the deal why people care if Han shot first, but Lucas obviously felt it wasn't the character of Han Solo, and just decided to put in a few green beams. So fucking what? Here's the controversy regarding "Greedo shoots first." In the original film, Greedo didn't shoot at all. This was to show that Han was basically a ruthless bastard smuggler, who ignored morals in order to survive. Hence, there's the big "character revelation" when Han saves Luke at the end of SW - he finally cares about someone beside himself. In the SE, when Greedo shoots first, we loose all of Han's inner conflict. Now, Han's merely defending himself and doesn't look like such a bad guy. But, to the die-hards, Han is a pretty bad guy. It softens up his character, in a negative sense. Instead of a ruthless scumbag, he's just another good guy. In Futurama terms, it'd be like if Greoning went back and removed the assholish nature of Bender. He just wouldn't be fun anymore.
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