Fry's geneology

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Well, he went back in time, killed his original grandfather and then impregnated his grandmother. If you ignore the fact that, between the time he killed Enos and impregnated Mildred he technically had no grandfather, it makes sense.

Why do you ask? Are you planning on trying it sometime in the near future?

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no i mean in his sperm how can he have himself in there

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That's one of those stupid time travel paradoxes. Apparently Fry grew from one of his own sperm, which he transplanted into Mildred when he went back to the 40's. Now I'm not a professor of Timetravelology, but that's how I understand it working.

Wait, what am I thinking? One of his PARENTS (His mother, I think) grew from his own sperm which he transplanted etc. etc.

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Nixorbo's Golden Rule of Understanding Time Travel

Don't try to explain or understand temporal paradoxes.  You'll just give yourself a headache and make yourself go crosseyed.

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Didn't Janeway say that? Or something to that extent?

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How I always gathered time travel working is that you change what happened in the past. For instance, Enos did impregnate Mildred the first time around. That led to Fry's mother(?) then to Fry himself.

When Fry goes back, he accidently erases what previously happens and, in the universe snapping back in on itself, puts Fry in the situation to impregnate his Grandmother. In that sense, it'd be as if Fry was his own grandfather all along, although that's not technically the case.

Another example is the Nibbler shadow in SP3000. First, it's only Nibbler in the Cryogenics Lab. Nibbler tosses Fry into the tube, Fry is frozen and unthawed in 3000. Later, when Fry goes back in time (again), he then is there with Nibbler in 1999. Fry's being there erases the previous past. That's why Fry isn't there in the shadows the first time, but is there the second time around. The SP3K was the "first" time, and "TWoF" is the "re-do" of that situation.

Alright, it might not make a lot of sense, but that's how I've thought of it.

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@Evan> But should he not seize to exist the instant his grandfather died?

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In Back To The Future, Marty didn't instantly disappear the day he separated his parents so they wouldn't meet.

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Actually, the current theory is that if you could go into the past and change it, you would simply create an alternate universe with the changed timeline - your own universe (and you) would not be affected. So Fry could have changed the past all he wanted, those changes would have each manifested in alternate universes and not in his. It makes a bit more sense if you think of time as a long series of images present simultaneously, like an unrolled film strip. Each 'frame' is connected to all the other ones. If you change one frame, the film is either altered or a new one is created, depending who you ask. That's how I understand it anyway.

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Originally posted by aslate:
In Back To The Future, Marty didn't instantly disappear the day he separated his parents so they wouldn't meet.

His brothers legs did, but then it all went ok....until the sequel muhahahaha, where they went to the future and the 80's cafe and then Griff started chasing Marty on A hoverboard. It sorta turned out ok until when the Delorian was flying and then struck by lightning which lead them going to the old west in the next sequel....

Spielberg: "I want more money!"

Wait a minute whats this topic about again.

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All this talk of time travel makes me think of Star Trek. This whole topic confuses the hell out of me. I dont even think time travel is possible.

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Originally posted by Garbage Picker:
I dont even think time travel is possible.

You're doing it right now.

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Originally posted by aslate:
Didn't Janeway say that? Or something to that extent?

Why is everyone preaching about janeway all of a sudden?

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Fry didn't change anything.
He simply did what was supposed to happen for him to exist. The whole time travelling thing in this episode was an accident which was meant to happen.

However, in "The Why of Fry" Fry travelled back in time specifically to alter the past which is why we see Fry's shadow later on(he created an alternate reality).

I know this doesn't really make any sense.

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I don't think it was supposed to make sense.

Blame the Futurama writers and their fancy degrees in the maths and sciences... they know exactly what's going on.

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The easiest way to understand something like this is to make a personal Time line. In around 1974 Fry was borne (assuming he was 25 in 1999)to the son of Mildred who was said to be fathered by Enos (to be a single mother in 1947 wasn't an acceptable thing to do. But a widowed mother on the other hand...)containing a genetic anomaly that causes him to lack delta brainwaves and therefore makes him immune to the Brain Spawn.

Detecting this, the Nibblonians track his life and find the perfect point to Freeze him in order for him to be alive in 3003/3004 in order to destroy the Brainspawn's Info-Sphere. In the first seconds of January 1st of 2000 this happens and Fry sits in Cryo Storage until the morning of December 31st 2999.

Things happen that get us to "Roswell That Ends Well" in what 3002? Fry travels back to 1947. Kills Enos and then impregnates Mildred with his own father. Who would contain 1/2 of Fry's DNA. Fry returns to 3002 and continues on. Defeating the infosphere with the Scooty-Puff Sr. (since the stuff with fry and nibbler in 1999 didn't happen because the scooty-puff Jr. was improved in the first place. And technicaly everything past planting the bomb on the infosphere didn't actualy happen to Fry) and he continues on untill "The Devil's Hands..." thank you FOX.

mean while after Fry returns to 3002,
Fry's father is borne and eventualy impregnates Fry's mother, and presumably Mildred's side of their genetics is passed onto Yancey. Then Fry's father impregnates Fry's mother with what would presumably be the exact 1/2 of his genetic make up that was Fry's, and his mother supplied the same 1/2 that Fry himself actually had. And we return to the begining. With Fry having the exact same Genome as Himself.

A nice closed temporal inevitability.

Does that make anything clearer?
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Thank you mazaite. It has suddenly dawned on me. Oh my god I was blind to it before!

The Scooty-Puff Jr. reality NEVER HAPPENED once he went back in time! I get it!

*does trademark Happy Dance*

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I always wondered about the fact that that if Fry was his own Granfather then wouldn't he also be the Grandfather(+1000years) of Farnsworth?

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By god, you're right!

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Originally posted by Xmpel:
@Evan> But should he not seize to exist the instant his grandfather died?

Evan did a good job of explaining it, his theory is that the universe re-wrote a new past because Fry fucked his up. I agree. Ive always wondered this...Is Yancy his own great, great uncle?

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Originally posted by Frank:
I always wondered about the fact that that if Fry was his own Granfather then wouldn't he also be the Grandfather(+1000years) of Farnsworth?

no, because Farnsworth is his nephew...sheesh...  http://www.gotfuturama.com/Multimedia/EpisodeSounds/1ACV01/25.mp3

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But to be Fry's nephew Farnsworth has to be a descendent of Yancy Jr, if Fry's is his own Grandfather then he is also Yancy Jr's which means he is also Farnsworth's (+ many, many greats) - or an I missing something?

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I think the fact that Fry became Farnsworth's grandfather seems extremely relavent; as we suppose that Farnsworth is the decendant of Yancy Jr.

Another good thing is that if we're saying when Fry went back in time and screwed things up, he made his own new reality universe...  If being his own grandfather gives him no need for the delta brain wave (or the ability to use it... I can't remember... screw it) then why did he have it in The Day the Earth Stood Stupid?  TDTESS happened before Roswell That Ends Well, and we all KNOW that 

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I don't hold to the re-written or divergent universe theory of Fry. He always was his own grandfather otherwise he would never have not had delta brain waves that would have caused him to be "retained" by the nibblonians to be in the year 3000 which allowed him to travel back to 1947. Also he had to have always been or else there wouldn't have been that whole rip in space time thing in "Anthology Of Intrest." when Fry didn't go into the future.

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Originally posted by mazaite:
I don't hold to the re-written or divergent universe theory of Fry. He always was his own grandfather otherwise he would never have not had delta brain waves

That, plus he would never have been concieved.

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This is one of those questions that requires some experimentation to know the real truth. I'll get back at you right after I've found the answer.

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Originally posted by Devon LoParo:
Or you could just realize that the show was made for comedic value, not the philosophy of time travel.


Or maybe they added comedy to get ratings?

BLASFAMER!!!
This is a Sci-Fi type of show. It's therefore the duty of it's fans to waste all of their time making wild assumptions as to the nature of the show's universe.

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Originally posted by mazaite:
I don't hold to the re-written or divergent universe theory of Fry. He always was his own grandfather otherwise he would never have not had delta brain waves that would have caused him to be "retained" by the nibblonians to be in the year 3000 which allowed him to travel back to 1947. Also he had to have always been or else there wouldn't have been that whole rip in space time thing in "Anthology Of Intrest." when Fry didn't go into the future.

Yeah that makes sense, I always wondered why Fry caused the rip in space/time but it all makes sense now, if he wouldn't have gone to the future, he couldn't have gone back to the past and caused himself to exist in the first place. The lack of delta waves was only possible this way and it was just one of those things that exists because it's in a time loop that keeps going back. The paradox in this was the scooty puff jr. though, this is which created the parallel universe. In one universe nibbler goes and makes sure Fry freezes and is successful, and this is the universe we exist in through the whole of the series. When Fry goes back to change what happened this creates another universe, but everything ends up going as planned anyway and nothing is changed except for the scooter being different in the end. NOW he is in the new universe, and the original universe will never see him again    But he was able to stop the brains in that universe though right? So it's not all for naught.

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Why do all of these people think Enos was Fry's original grandfather.  Didn't any of you pick up that Enos was gay?  Thus, he never had sex with Mildred, thus never impregnanted her.  Fry was his own grandfather since the day he was born.

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Said many times that the worms fixed the spermy problemo.

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Originally posted by mazaite:
  BLASFAMER!!!
This is a Sci-Fi type of show. It's therefore the duty of it's fans to waste all of their time making wild assumptions as to the nature of the show's universe.

True. What I was trying to say was that little plot holes like this cant always have a logical conclusion, because the makers of Futurama didnt have enough time to look and fix everything before they greenlighted the episode.

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wow my tread is still lasting

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sk8ghost--> That is my perception exact of the matter at hand. So the "original" universe (or the Futurama characters in it) will grieve the loss of Fry, because he will not exist in it.
MrB--> Again: my thoughts exactly. Enos didn't HAVE to be killed, since he would have scored with the guys instead of mildred... He could never (with his gayness in mind) have made himself take the plunge with Mildred...

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Yes, Enos had to be killed. Otherwise Mildred wouldn't have been so devastated by the news that she wanted Fry to walk her home. And if Fry hadn't followed her home, he wouldn't have done the "nasty in the pasty".

Additionally, Mildred wouldn't have done it with a stranger if her boyfriend were still alive. So while Enos probably didn't have to die in and by itself, his death was pivotal in bringing Fry and Mildred together.

Welcome to PEEL, Pikka Bird. Enjoy it here.

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Damn time loops
LOL       

so many Theory's wish there was a way to find out.     

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What I really want to know is how he impregnated mildred after his sperm were sterilized by the F-ray that bender shot at his testicles.

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The parasites fixed him up, remember?

"You'll never guess where I've been!"

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sperm are produced daily
unlike girls who have all their eggs at birth