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Nixorbo
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I think it shouldn't have happened for another 4 seasons, just like I think The Why of Fry shouldn't have happened for at least another 2.
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Teral
Helpy McHelphelp
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« Reply #2 on: 09-01-2003 14:41 »
« Last Edit on: 09-01-2003 14:41 »
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^ There's no part of that post I didn't agree with. I've said it many times before, but I'll gladly reiterate: they never used the initial idea about Leela being an alien desperately wanting to find her own people. Besides "A Bicyclops Built For Two" (and then it still only took up 2/3 of the episode, plus they crammed in a gigantic MwC homage too), how many episodes really dealt with Leela as an alien? None, nada, zilch. 2 or 3 episodes could easily have been made about, over the stretch of 3-5 seasons without it feeling crammed, afterall how many episodes did Fry coming to the future cover? But, no, if was just "hi, I'm an alien, and I'm longing to find my people"-"whoops that was just a creep posing as my race"-"oh guess I'm a mutant". That said, the mutant storyline did work reasonably well, and I thoroughly enjoyed the episode, it just came much too early. Edit: plus "one-eyed alien babe" rolls so much easier of the tongue than "one-eyed mutant babe".
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evan
Urban Legend
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There are 4 episodes that relate to Leela's knowledge of her origin (or lack there of.)
X-Mas Story -- tangental, yes, but it touches on that Leela is alone and miserable without knowing what she is. It can be inferred that her species' identity goes through her mind often around X-Mas.
A Bicylops Built For Two -- a "Leela in search of her origin" episode.
Anthology of Interest 2 -- "What if I found my true home?"
Leela's Homeworld -- Oh, I'm a mutant.
I think, since the writers knew that the show would end, yes, they did speed up Leela's search for her parents. On the other hand, if the show continued and there were 4 or 5 episodes of Leela going to different planets and being disappointed at each one, then it wouldnt have the impact. Unless the writing was remarkably well done, we would know that "oh, she's not going to find her parents here, either."
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Cube_166
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And when the second series came out on DVD then we'd instantly realise (listen to the i second that emotion commentary) and it would no longer be a surprise.
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Teral
Helpy McHelphelp
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If "Leela's Homeworld" hadn't aired, I'm sure they wouldn't have been so upfront about it. Besides Leela's parents were spotted in ISTE long before the DVD's were released (I think FrysGIRL brought the news to PEEL all those moons ago). Originally posted by evan: Anthology of Interest 2 -- "What if I found my true home?"
I'll agree on "Xmas Story", being about Leela being alone and feeling isolated, that could tie into her background. But the AOI 2 thing is a stretch. She only ask what will happen, not how, where and when it will happen (much more important if you're trying to locate something) plus if Leela really was this determined to find her people/homeworld, how come we never saw any of it? I just think they could've focused a little more on this, rather interesting, part of Leela's background before discarding it.
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PCC Fred
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Originally posted by evan: I think, since the writers knew that the show would end, yes, they did speed up Leela's search for her parents. On the other hand, if the show continued and there were 4 or 5 episodes of Leela going to different planets and being disappointed at each one, then it wouldnt have the impact. Unless the writing was remarkably well done, we would know that "oh, she's not going to find her parents here, either." I agree totally with evan. Remember all those episodes of Star Trek: Voyager where they supposedly found a way back to Earth, only for it to fall through at the end of the episode? As for "Were Leela's origins revealed too early?", exactly when shouldthey have been revealed? Season 5?
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Teral
Helpy McHelphelp
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« Reply #10 on: 09-01-2003 17:50 »
« Last Edit on: 09-01-2003 17:50 »
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Originally posted by PCC Fred: I agree totally with evan. Remember all those episodes of Star Trek: Voyager where they supposedly found a way back to Earth, only for it to fall through at the end of the episode? Ah, but wasn't V'Ger not also the Trek show to totally abandon any and all cool and promising plotlines early on and opt for the mainstream space-opera path, rather than doing something with a little suspense and panache? And look where it brought that show. All I'm asking for is a little courage to explore an interesting aspect of a character. And I have every bit of confidence in the writing staff of Futurama to be able to pull it off, without doing a "Voyager". As for "Were Leela's origins revealed too early?", exactly when shouldthey have been revealed? Season 5?
Ideally season seven-ish (no pun intended). In hindsight they did make right decision, but ideally 7 or so seasons would allow them to progress it more naturally.
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Chriswell
Bending Unit
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Bad idea. Either keep Leela an alien or never reveal her parents at all. Blaming FOX is too easy and pointless. The fact her parents were annoying to the nth degree didn't help matters. And they were sewer mutants (which I was never a fan of in the beginning).
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Action Jacktion
Professor
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So exactly what would a "searching for her origin" episode be like? The problem is that she couldn't search for her origin, unless they just showed her landing on a planet, saying "Nope, this isn't it," and then going somewhere else.
Anyone who claimed to know about her origin would have to be lying, and they did that in "Bicyclops." Maybe they could have gone to a planet where there were legends or something about her "race" (which of course would turn out to be inaccurate).
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Cube_166
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the meaning of: the other.
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Tweek
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I think it was good, even though till that episode aired I was part of the "Leela is an alien not a mutant" group.
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Lionel Hutz Esq
Bending Unit
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Originally posted by Action Jacktion: So exactly what would a "searching for her origin" episode be like? The problem is that she couldn't search for her origin, unless they just showed her landing on a planet, saying "Nope, this isn't it," and then going somewhere else. You could do an episode where Leela hears about a legend of a cyclops race. She finds the planet to find that it is inhabited by cyclops who are a foot tall. However, she is hailed as a god by the tiny cyclops. We have seen Fry as Emperor, Bender as God, why not Leela? Especially given that she has a bit of a self-confidence issue. However, if they didn't speed it up, they could have done an episode reflecting on Leela's youth (like the montage at the end of Leela's Homeworld, but go into it in depth, and you could put hints in it (the suddenly appearing presents, for instance)). You could still do this episode, but it wouldn't have as much of the emotional impact as it would when you didn't know she would find her parents.
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suttsteve
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I liked it better when Leela was a alien, instead of a mutant.
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