Action Jacktion
Professor
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« on: 04-24-2003 01:42 »
« Last Edit on: 06-10-2003 00:00 »
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Similarities between Fry and Red Dwarf's Lister have been pointed out before, but I don't know if people realize how many similarities there are. I'm sure it's all coincidence (with a slight chance of homage), but take a look:
- Both are involuntarily put into suspended animation
- By the time they're revived, it seems no one they knew is still alive
- Both are almost exclusively referred to by their last names
- Both are twenty-five when the show begins
- Both are working low-paying, menial jobs in the first episode
- Both are losers with bad luck
- Both are slobby, lazy, and maybe not the smartest people in the universe
- Both are basically good people but often do thoughtless, insensitive things
- Both seem to improve a bit after the earlier episodes, and aren't as slobby or stupid in later episodes
- Both suffer from an unrequited love that might work out in the future
- Both have parallel universe doubles who are married to their object of desire.
- Both hang out with a group of freaks and misfits who all have emotional or social problems
- Both convince a robot to go beyond his intended purpose
- Fry is his own grandfather, Lister is his own father
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Nixorbo
UberMod
DOOP Secretary
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Rimmer - Hermes (stretch) Chocanski - Leela Kryten - Bender Holly - Professor Cat - Zoidberg
Think it through - it fits.
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Chriswell
Bending Unit
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Actually I think Rimmer's more like Zapp Brannigan. If Rimmer had ever made starship captain that is. They both think they're the pinnacle of command excellence, but underneath they're somewhat shallow and petty and willing to blame others for their failures. Ask Kif. Kochanski - Leela that fits. Kryten is more like Zoidberg Holly - Professor that checks out, though the Prof's a bit more cruel. Cat - little bit of Amy at times a bit like Bender at other times. Cat's more like Bender as in not being considerate of others and a bit self centered at times. -cs
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Grim
Professor
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If rimmer were starship captain wouldnt that make him Ace Rimmer, the rimmer from the parralel universe where he wasnt a complete gimboid?
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sheep555
Liquid Emperor
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Originally posted by Action Jacktion: Similarities between Fry and Red Dwarf's Lister have been pointed out before, but I don't know if people realize how many similarities there are. [/list] Also, Lister becomes rich due to compound interest much like Fry does in A Fishfull of Dollars. Originally posted by Chriswell: Holly - Professor that checks out, though the Prof's a bit more cruel.
I think Holly is much crueler than the professer, especially in his S1/S2 form. Look at Queeg for example (a RD episode based around Holly basically tortuting the crew for his own entertainment), the classic "Dog Milk" gag (Holly reveals he's been giving the crew dog's milk to drink without telling them), and the NorWeb sketch.
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Chriswell
Bending Unit
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Well those are more along the lines of practical jokes. I'm thinking about the Prof. especially in MU, first lamenting on not breaking Guenter's legs. Or when Guenter's rope broke and he fell down the waterfall and the Prof said let's get him, don't want him to go to waste. Then he licks his lips. -cs
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Action Jacktion
Professor
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Originally posted by sheep555: Also, Lister becomes rich due to compound interest much like Fry does in A Fishfull of Dollars. I thought about that, but it was really just part of Holly's NorWeb joke.
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Toaster
Crustacean
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The compound interest joke was the first sketch on the original radio series from which Red Dwarf evolved (which is why it was Manchester's NorWEB and not Liverpool's MANWEB). It wasn't a joke in the original though.
More similarities:
- Both Fry and Lister were dumped by their girlfriends just before ending up in the future.
- Leela and Lister were both orphans.
- Farnsworth is ancient, intelligent, amoral and senile like Holly.
- Zoidberg and Cat both appear to be evolved from other Earth species.
- Rimmer and Fry's fathers are both military crazed loonies.
- Rimmer in "Meltdown" is just like Zapp.
- Kryten without his guilt chip is just like Bender.
- Both have robot religion and android soap operas.
- Kif and Lister both became pregnant.
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transgender nerd under canada
DOOP Ubersecretary
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Bloody hell, I thought I was the only one to have noticed these things... and I considered it slightly too geeky to post at PEEL. Still, you people have my respect for such a bold statement of your nerdism. Also, Lister eventually marries Kochanski, and Nibbler has hinted that Fry will eventually get together with Leela.
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CyberKnight
Urban Legend
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There are quite a few little similarities between the two - for example, the original version of "A Big Ball of Garbage" called for a pool player to come in and "pot" the ball into the Sun (sound at all familiar? ). Interesting side-note : Matt Groening has said that he's a fan of "British" comedy. No doubt he may have seen "Red Dwarf" and picked up a few ideas . After all, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. [Doc Brown]Or it could just all be an amazing coincidence[/DB]
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Action Jacktion
Professor
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Despite all the similarities, I still think it's mostly, if not completely, coincidence. Both shows use comedic applications of science fiction concepts and also parody those concepts, so the creators of both probably had a lot of similar ideas. Watch Red Dwarf and you'll see it's usually a lot different from Futurama.
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Action Jacktion
Professor
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« Reply #24 on: 04-26-2003 23:07 »
« Last Edit on: 04-26-2003 23:07 »
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what were the odds of that!? Pretty low if they were only in suspended animation for a year or even ten years. It doesn't have to be such a long time. I phrased it like that because Fry is frozen for "only" 1000 years, while Lister is in stasis for three million years.
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Britz
Starship Captain
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Originally posted by sheep555: I think Holly is much crueler than the professer, especially in his S1/S2 form. Look at Queeg for example (a RD episode based around Holly basically tortuting the crew for his own entertainment), the classic "Dog Milk" gag (Holly reveals he's been giving the crew dog's milk to drink without telling them), and the NorWeb sketch. Ooh, this made my blood boil, 1. In Queeg he was doing it to teach the crew a lesson and make them respect him, it was pretty fair after the way they treated him. 2. The dog milk wasn't a joke from Holly, it was necessary to give them dog milk, he just didn't tell them what it was because they were better off not knowing. And 3. The NORWEB sketch was an april fools joke, very funny, and not really cruel. And finally, as sad as it makes me to do this to another Red Dwarf fan, you have it coming
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Chriswell
Bending Unit
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I'm surprised there hasn't been a Red Dwarf/Futurama crossover fan fic yet. Or has there? -cs checks around
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Ace
Poppler
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I am a Red Dwarf veteran and the similarities are mainly in series 6 when they are mainly on starbug (transport capsule) and are taking the piss on Star Trek etc. sort of comparibleto "Roswell that ends well" supernova...
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VRRR
Crustacean
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Starbug and Planet Express ship, both green.
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