Fry/Leela getting together

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Yes, it would.

[Reply #41 on:]

No it wouldn't.   

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Originally posted by BrainSluggo:
No it wouldn't.   

Ditto.

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Yes, it would...

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Originally posted by Ben:
I say they should get together for the episode just before they kill off Leela and replace her with someone else, better.

But then again, I could just be saying that because you kids are so fun to watch when you get fanatic and abusive about this stuff...   

That's cruel. Nobody can want Leela to die! She's done nothing wrong.. well except the thing with Z.B.

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Originally posted by Ben:
Yes, it would...

You're repeating yourself...

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Originally posted by Ben:
Yes, it would...

prove it.

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Originally posted by Erdrik:
 prove it.

He isn't able to!

[Reply #48 on:]

Quiet newbie.

Erdrik: Hey, I want to keep it like it is. That is proven. You should be the one's proving your point that it wouldn't wreck the show if they got together permanently.

[Reply #49 on:]

I think if Fry and Leela got together permanantly then it would give the show a different flow, which may possibly ruin it. Besides it would end one of shows longest running storylines from developing furthur. In the shows finale of Season 5 - The Devils Hand Are Idol Playthings - the writers have said that they have created a nice wrap up to the show BUT with plenty of scope for developing the story furthur should Futurama begin making new episodes again. In toher words it seems unlikely Fry and Leela will get it together permanatly in this episode unless they plan to have a Friends stlye on/off relationship, and that WOULD ruin the show.

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Originally posted by Ben:
Quiet newbie.

Erdrik: Hey, I want to keep it like it is. That is proven. You should be the one's proving your point that it wouldn't wreck the show if they got together permanently.

See? If you were able to prove, that it WOULD ruin it, you would do... but ya aren't so you tell us to prove our point of view.

[Reply #51 on:]

It could actually work both ways. I've already howled long and repeatedly about why--for Leela's sake--she shouldn't rush into bed with Fry, but on the other hand, it's quite possible--given circumstances in Love & Rocket and Leela's Homeworld--that Leela gave in at some point and raped Fry stupid.

...and then Fry did/said something stupid, and the relationship went on hold again. Those of us worrying about the relationship changing and affecting an entire season or the rest of the series--um--might be worried for no reason.

(Always thought it would've been great for Fry to deal with a whole different concept of romance--a boy from the Stupid Ages with its One-Night Stands, trying to pin down a woman used to relationships that blossom and implode on an hourly basis in a world that no longer remembers what an STD is. I'm sure Matt & David considered that and decided not to bite off more than could be chewed--but still...)

(Heh heh. Amy's crazy in love with Kif, and Leela's rolling around with Zapp, Alkazar, Sean, Cap'n Kirk, and who knows who else--and still talking about bizarre desires. Who's a slut?)

But guys, change is inevitable. Sticking with what is "proven" into repetitiveness will kill the joy of something even quicker than making the occasional error while trying new things. "Holding course" is The Marge Simpson Way.

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Originally posted by Aleel:
 See? If you were able to prove, that it WOULD ruin it, you would do... but ya aren't so you tell us to prove our point of view.

I think 4 seasons of quality programming is all I need to prove my point, thankyou very much.

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Originally posted by Ben:
 I think 4 seasons of quality programming is all I need to prove my point, thankyou very much.

It isn't... because you can't say, that the quality wouldn't be there any longer if they got together, without proving it.   

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Originally posted by Erdrik:
 Since when is the show about Leela and Fry?
Hell if thats the case they shoulda called it "Lets jerk yer chains with Love birds show" instead of "Futurama"...   

The show isn't just about Leela/Fry (no matter how much us Shippers want it to be.       )
If Fry and Leela got together it would not ruin the show.      

I'm with him

  Fry N Leela All The Way 

[Reply #55 on:]

Yeah! You're both right about that. *g*

[Reply #56 on:]

Four seasons of quality writing in which the characters evolve, and their relationships grow and change...

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Four seasons of Fry and Leela not invloved in a long-term relationship...

Aleel: Look at any other sit-com which has introduced a long-running relationship between two main characters into the plot. They all suck. It's just not good writing.

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Originally posted by Ben:
Four seasons of Fry and Leela not invloved in a long-term relationship...

Aleel: Look at any other sit-com which has introduced a long-running relationship between two main characters into the plot. They all suck. It's just not good writing.

[sarcasm]Yeah, the second season of Cheers (where Diane and Sam got together) was the death knell for the series.[/sarcasm]

Get your facts straight, Ben!

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i dont feel i have to justify _my_ "contribution" to this thread.
i say Fry and Leela should get married perminentely, period!
ahh  the ordeals of shipping 

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Who thinks in the last ep the writers have ended them as a couple or who thinks not?

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Actaully Ben, the Fry Leela relationship has NOT stayed the same over the past four seasons. It has changed quite a bit. I mean Fry didn't even start actively persuing Leela until season 3. He hit on her some sure, but he didn't go at her with seriousness until Parasites Lost. Keeping their relationship exactly the same for the rest of the series would get old quick.

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Originally posted by Venus:
Actaully Ben, the Fry Leela relationship has NOT stayed the same over the past four seasons. It has changed quite a bit. I mean Fry didn't even start actively persuing Leela until season 3. He hit on her some sure, but he didn't go at her with seriousness until Parasites Lost. Keeping their relationship exactly the same for the rest of the series would get old quick.

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There's obviously no point in even pursuing the point with you monkeys, seeing that you're all blinded by your own opinions.

Fred: You make no sense at all. If all your going to do is jump on other people's bandwagons and not contribute anything at all to the discussion then fuck off. The fact that you feel you need 'sarcasm tags' at all must tell you something about yourself.

Take a look around people. Get a life outside of your little fan-fiction world. You're treating these characters like they're real people. They're drawings. Drawings that are meant to be funny. They don't have a right to get the girl in the end, they don't have a right to live happily ever after, they have the right to entertain us, nothing else. Don't be so god damn pathetic.

The simple fact is, commitment and stable relationships aren't funny, they're real. 'Real' is not entertaining.

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Explain the popularity of reality TV, Mr. Smarty Pants.

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Entertaining. Popular. Two vastly different things.

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I don't know if you want my opinion, but... I'm agreeing with Ben (besides for the monkey part, I prefer the phrase "human impared&quot .  Sure, it would be swell if Leela and Fry got together if this was a drama like X-Files, but this is a comedy.

What shipper would like if they got together then broke up violently (arguing, crying, etc), then later ended up hating/ignoring each other?  I doubt many would.  If it doesn't permanently make the series funnier, it should not be done.  It might give a few laughs but would probably wear thin after a few episodes with the average viewer.

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Originally posted by Ben:
you're all blinded by your own opinions.

wow. There's a case of the pot calling the kettle black if I've ever seen one. Seems to me that your getting more worked up about this then anyone else here. Your telling us to cool it yet you feel the need to tell people to fuck off.   We have voiced our opinions which you obviously don't appreciate and you've voiced some opinions we don't particularly care for but you don't see us flashing the finger in random directions. If you don't want us to counter you then don't post on a relationship thread to begin with, your just asking for trouble that way. We are not saying that our way is the only way we're just saying there are more then just the two options that nonshippers seem to cling to. You don't think committed relationships make for good writing? Fine, we respect your viewpoint but it doesn't automatically make your view the right and/or only one.

And we are aware that these are drawings and not real people but if fans didn't get emotionally attached to the characters then we wouldn't give a damn what happens to them. A sign of a truly great show is one where the fans think of them in a real sense.
And believe it or not a stable relationship can equal comedy if done correctly and lord knows Futurama's writing staff can do things correctly. It wouldn't have to be like Friends or anything because Futurama is nothing like Friends, different situations with different characters with different temperaments. And what doesn't work on one show could possibly work well for Futurama or vice versa. Besides Futurama isn't
about just Leela or Fry, and as I said before most eps don't even acknowledge their relationships and if they were together most eps could and would continue to do that. It really wouldn't change the show that much and since shippy eps seem to be among the top favorites of most people I don't see how their relationship being the focus of a few eps would be a problem. In any case the shippers aren't saying they have to get together now, all we want is to actually see them together for at least a little while, a season or two maybe and we certainly don't want their relationship to become the only focalpoint of the show.
So, instead of just jumping up and down in a huff and telling people to fuck off, lets just agree to disagree because face it nothing you say or do or how many insults you throw out is going to change our minds. Telling us to "Take a look around people. Get a life outside of your little fan-fiction world." Isn't gonna make us shake our heads, see the light and jump up with a chorus of "Oh my God your right! We shall now mend our evil ways". And granted nothing we do or say is going to change your mind so we might as well not fight about the issue because hey, we can keep this up just as long as you.

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Originally posted by David A:
 Yes, probably.  I think the only way it would work would be if they got together in the last episode.  The show would have to end at that point, so it becomes a question of would you rather see Fry and Leela together, or do you want the show to continue?     

Of course, since the show has been "put on hiatus" (i.e. cancelled), we probably won't get either one.     

I've been reading the posts since I made the above comments, and I just want to say that I didn't mean to offend any one.

I never said that Fry and Leela getting together couldn't work.  I just meant that it would drastically change things.  Usually a big change like two of the main characters becoming a couple has an adverse affect on the show.  Remember Moonlighting?  This wouldn't necessarily happen with Futurama, I just meant that on most shows it does.

In any case, it looks like Ben agrees with me.       We can't have that, so I'm changing my vote.   

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Now, refresh my memory--who was it who provoked this argument, looking forward to everyone else getting whiny and defensive? That's right, the same one who's run off bawling because all you damn "newbies" persist in having opinions at variance with his. The NERVE of you!     

I'd make some Rad-Thibodeaux-self-proclaimed-genius-style comment, like "I recommend masturbation," here, but I'd get a stupid and condescending reply about how stupid and condescending I am.     

By the way: it's all "in fun"--so by his own netiquette rules, he has no grounds to get mad about anything that I've just written. Lighten up--it's the internet! Stop taking everything so seriously!!

RobinL's original post makes all clear: it's just a poll for people to state an opinion about what they'd like to see, not a petition to actually influence the show--which is a moot point anyway, barring miracles--nor a place for dictator-wannabes to try to shout everyone else down.

Returning to topic: as Venus pointed out, we went through two-plus seasons of Fry and Leela as friends and nothing more--even if there was obvious chemistry from the first time they met (and Fry was frequently trying to get into her pants). I think they could become lovers for a season just to show how badly it works out, and then go back to square one, pairing off with other characters. As with any change, it could be disastrous, or it could be the best season ever. That depends entirely on two things--the skill of the writers and the open-mindedness of the audience--not the concept itself. I would fondly remember the better days, just as I remember Fry and Amy's brief tryst. But I also like it when something doesn't go the way I expect, and just because this kind of thing's so badly done in Friends doesn't mean the Futurama writers couldn't make it work. I have faith that Matt and David and the others could do it--or any other conceivable option--better.

The "eternally unfulfilled romance" element may be taught in screenwriting classes as stone-written Ape Law, but so are any number of other cliches. Matt Groening did not become who he is today by following rules.

One thing is certain: running in circles might work for some cartoons, but it would kill the character-rich Futurama on the spot.

Whee! I'm a monkey! It could be a lot worse. [looks at dictator-wannabe] A lot, lot worse.

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BrainSluggo has a crush on me. Mate, you're a hell of a hypocrite, I hope you know that.

Venus: That single gesture was only towards Fred, who wasn't contributing to the discussion anyway meaningful other than to partake in some 'let's attack the person, not their argument'. You're picking and choosing things out of context in order to degrade me, as to further your opinions, which is a pathetic and cheap way to go about making a point. In regards to not posting in a relationship thread, I believe the thread is about whether it would be a good idea for the show if Leela and Fry were to have a long term relationship. It's my personal opinion that it would have a detrimental effect to the show, and it is your (and various others) view that it would not. Is your idea of a fruitful discussion one where everyone agrees with you? I was only rebutting a few points stated by others in order to further my point, is there anything particularly wrong or 'dictator-wannabe'-like about that?

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Originally posted by Ben:
Mate, you're a hell of a hypocrite, I hope you know that.

Do you, kettle? [hypocrite mode] Try not to be so g**d*** pathetic. Uh, I didn't just say that, I was just trying to have a discussion of the facts! Facts about cartoon rights! You monkeys! [/hypocrite mode]      PCC Fred attacked your argument--you just took it as a personal attack (as usual), and replied with obscenities, tantrums, and insults (as usual).

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What are you waiting for BrainSluggo? Bring on the whole personality analysis why don't you. You seem to derive great pleasure from flaunting your obvious psychoanalysis talents. Obviously you've got me pigeon-holed. Go on, tell me some more about me. Do you get paid for this? Should I call you doctor...?

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No, I do this strictly for my own amusement. Please don't cry. Hey, that last post reads just like one from TheMadCapper. How about that.

Well, I've broken my promise. [to all] I'll try to be good from now on. But that doesn't mean I forfeit my opinions.

One Last Cheap Shot: Don't forget your condescending little lecture about what the handicapped kid says!

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Oh, don't mind Ben.  He's just upset that Marc hasn't given him a custom rank yet.  Surely you conceed he deserves one.   

If we all put our heads together, maybe we can come up with an apropriate one for him.     Any suggestions?

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I sound like TMC? Have you thought about the possibility that we both find you equally as irritating? But anyway, as you said, you're finding it amusing (yourself being the only one who thinks so, anyway), so i won't interrupt your little ego trip. You're obviously on a roll.

Wait, you obviously have some grudge against me, but I must ask. Why go pointing out all the traits that you yourself also possess? Defeats the point really...

David: Wha?

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Originally posted by Ben:
But anyway, as you said, you're finding it amusing (yourself being the only one who thinks so, anyway), so i won't interrupt your little ego trip.

Can I assume, from that incoherent sentence, that you presume to speak for everyone at PEEL now? Please, calm down--when you get all spazzed out your posts become almost unreadable. Remember the lesson you said you learned from the handicapped kid.

And do you have anything else to contribute to the topic? Or just more of this "I'm-rubber-you're-glue" and "obviously-obviously-you're-out-to-get-me" or "you're-all-blind-kids/monkeys/fools!" grade-school pissy nonsense? That was how this got started...again...(Remember: I'm not the one who entered this topic looking forward to a squabble. That's not being condescending; that's just fact.)

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Uh, a fact? I don't think so. Ahem, you're the one that started with the personal attacks, not me. You seem to be throwing a lot of accusations my way (condescending attitude, childish squabbling etc.) but then you go and act exactly the same way. Telling me I'm getting spazzed out? If that's not a condescending, 'holier than thou' attitude, then I don't know what is. Heed your own advice once in a while and you won't come over as such an arrogant prick.

Also, it's certainly not my fault that you can't seem to read plain English. Maybe if you clam down, drop your petty preconceptions, get down from your soap-box and stop looking to make some form of personal attack every five minutes then it might become a bit clearer.

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Originally posted by Ben:
Maybe if you clam down, drop your petty preconceptions, get down from your soap-box and stop looking to make some form of personal attack every five minutes then it might become a bit clearer.

How do I clam down?

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Oookay, getting back to the topic.   

As much as I love Leela (in a pure fan/cartoon character sorta way heh-heh), and want to see her happy, I'm just not convinced that a relationship will work out (in regards to the cartoon). If they (Fry and Leela) do get together I'm afraid we'll only see their actions and comments in the context of the relationship (did that make sense at all?).

Granted it does open the door to some couples-humor, but seeing as I'm not a big fan of that, that argument wont sway me. And I think it'll limit the characters too much in other situations. Will Fry be able to continue doing stupid and crazy things, without we have to see Leela berate him every time they "get home"? Will Leela be able to use brute force without Fry intervening and signing her up for anger management?    etc.

Fry and Leela aren't the sole focus of the show, but they do form the backbone of it, and more or less define the show. Just take a look at the Character Possession Index at WEFNZ.

The thing is, I'm not against them getting together, in fact I hope they one day will. But I hope it wont happen before halfway through the last season of the show, that'll still give us 9-10 episodes to elaborate on it. Granted the way FOX treats the show it'll be very difficult to pick a "last season".

And an on-again off-again realtionship is actually the last thing I ever want to see in this show. It'll get repetitive, and will go against Leela's character big time.