Battle of the Office Babes... the POLL

[Reply #160 on:]

 

Originally posted by Britz:
I'm not denying Leela is HOT but hot and cute are different things.

 

Quote from "Newsradio"
Beth: Pretty means pretty. Cute means pretty, but short or hyperactive – like me!

Lisa: Then what's beautiful?

Beth: Beautiful means pretty, & tall.

Lisa: Gorgeous?

Beth: Pretty, with great hair.

Lisa: Striking?

Beth: Pretty, with a big nose.

Lisa: Sexy?

Beth: Pretty, & easy.

Lisa: Voluptuous?

Beth: Pretty, and fat.

Lisa: Exotic?

Beth: Ugly!

[Reply #161 on:]

 

Originally posted by Bobby King:
you have to be hot to be on those pics

You are aware that one of our Uber Moderators is a big Amy fan? And he doesn't mind being petty?

[Reply #162 on:]

 

Originally posted by PCC Fred:
Beth: Pretty means pretty. Cute means pretty, but short or hyperactive – like me!
Lisa: Then what's beautiful?

Beth: Beautiful means pretty, & tall.

Lisa: Gorgeous?

Beth: Pretty, with great hair.

Lisa: Striking?

Beth: Pretty, with a big nose.

Lisa: Sexy?

Beth: Pretty, & easy.

Lisa: Voluptuous?

Beth: Pretty, and fat.

Lisa: Exotic?

Beth: Ugly!

 

So based on that Leela is gorgeous, beautiful and  striking, while Amy is cute and sexy?

I can live with that, since ponytails are sexy.

[Reply #163 on:]

So can I.

[Reply #164 on:]

Cute and sexy? Sounds like the perfect description to me...

[Reply #165 on:]

I'd have to go with voluptuous for Leela, cause it ain't fat, it's just with curves, meaty, I love a meaty gal myself, however the fact remains Amy is hotter (just thought I'd sneak that in.)

[Reply #166 on:]

heh i think people who voted in offtopic poll "looks or personality" for looks voted here for Amy. because amy is all about looks and leela - personality. have you ever seen amy thinking or solving serious problems? - No. Amy is just some cute girl, maybe even with cheerleader attitude. Leela had a hard childhood, she's a starship captain she has a strong character. also i think leela's better looking. (personally i dont get how some people dont like Leela but like futurama. she's the main character. you can't love show without loving her.)

[Reply #167 on:]

Well, Amy did fish the keys out of the vending machine.

That said, I voted for Leela.  She's got looks and personality.

[Reply #168 on:]

 

Originally posted by Margarita:
also i think leela's better looking.

Hey, all right.  (does victory dance but slips in a nearby puddle of ketchup and falls down)

[Reply #169 on:]

I agree with Marge.  I love Leela's personality. She's the type of character who you need to figure out.  If she loves Fry, then how come she doesn't show it? and stuff like that.  She has a better body build as well, and she's athletic. What I'm saying is I like her personality and I think she is much better looking. I like pony tails and tank tops, that's what I wear 

[Reply #170 on:]

"I like a girl who can kick my ass" -- Spike Spiegel

[Reply #171 on:]

 

Originally posted by Margarita:
you can't love show without loving her.)

Truer words have never been posted.

[Reply #172 on:]

 

Originally posted by Yorokobi:
"I like a girl who can kick my ass" -- Spike Spiegel

I don't recall Spike ever saying that.

[Reply #173 on:]

I know I've said it on more than one occaision.

[Reply #174 on:]

 

Originally posted by Nixorbo:
Amy.  I don't care for women that could beat me up.

You're Insane.Go Leela!!!!

[Reply #175 on:]

Hey, a three-year bump that I'm not pissed off at.  Go Leela!

Pedro should still die for the other ones, of course.

[Reply #176 on:]

Everybody vote for Leela

[Reply #177 on:]

Why is no one voting

[Reply #178 on:]

Everybody already did.

[Reply #179 on:]

One Eye
Purple Hair
Pony Tail

Why is there an option other than Leela?

[Reply #180 on:]

 

Originally posted by Chump:
If Leela is so smart and Amy is so stupid, why does Leela consistantly get burned by her?
Do they come in women's sizes?
AND So thats where you get your boots!
AND So hip and trendy, not like you at all!

What about leela's line: "well if it isn't my favourite head on amy's body, fry" that beats all of amy's, also leela is better looking!

Why do the percentages add up to 99?

[Reply #181 on:]

"Why do the percentages add up to 99?"

Well...

Hermes was going to carry the one, but Fry tossed the calculator into the incinerator.  That's plausible, isn't it?

Yet back to the topic...

I've read folks dissing Amy for being shallow.  Hello!  Are Fry or Bender, or the Professor, or Zoidberg, or even Scruffy less shallow?  Even Leela is repelled by a guy with a lizard tongue.

[Reply #182 on:]

Wow... The professor's right... You are evil... 

[Reply #183 on:]

Leela totally wins. Amy is too stupid and annoying.

[Reply #184 on:]

I would have to say Amy. Being ditzy isn't a crime. She's still a good person. Albeit through circumstance, Leela still has a huge, ugly chip on her shoulder and she constantly rejects poor Fry for many of the same reasons most of this thread is rejecting Amy. In 'Parasites Lost', Leela shows she is as shallow as Amy is being portrayed by leaving Fry as soon as he gets rid of his worms. Amy is more laid back, and takes herself less seriously.

Besides... Amy's cuter.

 

[Reply #185 on:]

Rider of the Walry Thingy... Just wait until some of the devoted shippers read your post. I posted something like you just did once. Of course, I was on Leela's side, but what I said involving Fry was basically the same. And then the great and wise Ralph Snart showed up and told me how I'd just opened a can of Shiny's whoopass. Turns out, shippers' whoopass can be quite pleasant. (And shame on those of you with dirty minds!) So join us in our conversation, and be assimilated into the collective that is the 'Ship. Don't worry, it's a good collective, unlike Microsoft. We have Venus, Shiny, and Layla, plus Professor Zoidy, HopelessShipper, Ralph, and me. Come join us in our thread! (Coordinates follow)

[Reply #186 on:]

Leela isn't shallow, period. (The only even half decent example of this would be the lizard tongue guy.) Parasites Lost is a horable example, Fry set himself up for that rejection. Not to mention that when the door started to close, Fry slamed it shut by mentioning Amy.

Leela's does have a chip on her sholder, but she can hardly be blamed for the circumstances that created it. If you were a one eyed mutant constantly berated would you come out of it without any warts? (Her issues are what maker her so interesting IMO.)

[Reply #187 on:]

 

Originally posted by HopelessShipper:
Leela isn't shallow, period. (The only even half decent example of this would be the lizard tongue guy.) Parasites Lost is a horable example...

You make some good points. Now that I think of it, Hopeless, there are a lot of grey areas, so my brief appraisal may have been a bit strong. I do think Leela is a better character than Amy. As far as who I'd like to date... well that's a different story. I already have a personality disorder, I don't need to date someone who has one too. So that's another reason I picked Amy.

And on Leela's shallowness... Did she ever think about Fry in parasites lost? No. She sabotaged the plan the others had to help him so that he would continue being someone who pleased her. Shallow was a poor choice of words. She didn't even think about the fact that the worms were robbing Fry of his humanity. She was a little selfish. I'm not sure if I'd wanna go out with someone like that. A lifetime of thinking that you're alone in the universe, (amongst other things), has created depth in Leela, but unfortunately the depth is self-directed. She's caring and kind, but she has trouble expressing it to those that care about her most because she can't believe that they do. She dates jerks because her self worth is injured, and her self image skewed. She can't accept people for who they are because of her intrinsic (and understandable) desire to be someone she's not. Someone more readily accepted by the world. She's got more potential than anyone on the series, but as far as dating her, I'd wait a couple of years for her to sort things out. Personally, I think Fry (as stupid as he is), is the only one who'll be able to make that change come about. I know I couldn't.

[Reply #188 on:]

 

Originally posted by Ride The Walrus:
And on Leela's shallowness... Did she ever think about Fry in parasites lost? No. She sabotaged the plan the others had to help him so that he would continue being someone who pleased her. Shallow was a poor choice of words. She didn't even think about the fact that the worms were robbing Fry of his humanity. She was a little selfish.

Did the other PE staff think of Fry?  No.  They planned to remove the worms (which were a beneficial parasite) without consulting him.  Granted, the Professor feared the worms would then be warned, but still, once they found out that the worms were not harmful, they should have had at least a few second thoughts about removing them.

And the worms were "robbing him of his humanity" ...how?  Were they controlling Fry's actions?  Were they taking over his mind or directing his thoughts?  Did they push him along the continuum of Evil and Good - in either direction?

The only way they influenced his behavior is giving him a craving to eat metal (and that is just a craving to which it is still his decision whether or not to respond).  I see no evidence that the worms did anything to what we usually mean when we say "humanity" - that is, his mind, his self-will, or his moral choice.  To say that they did is innaccurate and sensationalistic.

The brain slugs interfere with their hosts' humanity.  The worms do not.  Fry had other beings living inside him, you say? So what?  We all do - bacteria that perform vital functions in our bodies.  Each and every cell we have supports a mitochondrium - an alien creature.

But my biggest argument with your post is

 

She sabotaged the plan the others had to help him so that he would continue being someone who pleased her.

BZZZZT!  WRONG! She did no such thing.  All the time she was with him all day, she knew that the worms were making him smarter, healthier, more muscular (she knew they were healing him, and she's smart enough to make the connection when he starts using $20 words and beating up Sals).  But she did not think of calling off the others' mission, even though she was impressed with his feats.

It was not until she asked him why he was doing these things, and he confessed his love, and said he'd realized it lately (since the worms) that Leela took action.

It was not to preserve a Fry that pleased her.  She'd had a Fry that pleased her all day. It was to preserve a Fry who realized he loved her (and who was clearly happy about knowing it).

Selfish?  Perhaps a little.  But not to the extent you make out.

As for her reaction...well, time for another shameless plug:

The Other Side of Parasites

Now, I gotta go prove that (despite rumors to the contrary) I am not as old as the Professor.  i.e., I gotta go help someone move their stuff...joy.

But you may consider yourself bitch-slapped.

Shiny aka "The Shippinator"

[Reply #189 on:]

 

But you may consider yourself bitch-slapped.

Only Shiny can make being bitch-slapped an enjoyable experience. 

 

Now, I gotta go prove that (despite rumors to the contrary) I am not as old as the Professor.

No, that's me, Old Coot, Crash-7 and Filthy Crab who are as old as The Professor.

[Reply #190 on:]

 

Originally posted by Shiny:
But you may consider yourself bitch-slapped.

Shiny aka "The Shippinator"

Only Shiny can combine that much info into a bitch slap. In-core and good night!

Now for a question, why aren't you a staff writer?

[Reply #191 on:]

Because I live on the Third Coast (roughly culturally equivalent to the Third World) and not on either of the two important ones...   

Also I'm shy in person (well, outside of fandom) and have no talent for selling myself.  To write for TV/Film, you have to be as much salesperson as writer. 

Mind you, I have some "episode-like" ideas that in the past couple weeks I've considered trying to sell to M&D...but you need an agent and all that and I haven't the foggiest notion of how to move in that world. 

Also (as you can tell from this post) I tend to approach new activities with trepidation and a resulting defeatist outlook.     (I'm working on overcoming this).

But if anyone knows an agent who'd be willing to take me on on the basis of my fan stories here...send me their email and I'll give it a go.


And...Ralphie and Hopemeister, thank you for the compliments. 

[Reply #192 on:]

 

Originally posted by Shiny:
Because I live on the Third Coast (roughly culturally equivalent to the Third World) and not on either of the two important ones...   

We may get no respect (deservidly,) but there are fans down here outside of PEEL. After buying season 3, I went into another store in the strip center. A guy behind the counter from at least 10 feet away recognized it from the back of the box. That's pretty impressive considering that sence the sticker was still on there were no logos or large character shots. I now regret failing to mention PEEL.

The honesty in the rest of your post was depressing so I just won't comment on it. 

[Reply #193 on:]

I also choose Leela, because she's the hottest mutant around, where as Amy is just ONE of many hot human females

[Reply #194 on:]

 

Originally posted by Shiny:
 
But you may consider yourself bitch-slapped.

That was one of the best thought out bitch slaps I have ever recieved. I did enjoy it.

I do get a bit overdramatic, but it isn't completely without reasoning. Lets look at a couple of things. I agree the worms were beneficial parasites. However I have a fervent belief that these benefits are temporary. I have two reasons to believe this. First, it was Farnsworth who insisted that Fry's worms be removed. I think Farnsworth is a genius who hides behind a cloak of senility and madness so he can enjoy his vast fortune and create his atomic monsters in peace. (He basically created the universe.) So who would know better as to why the worms needed to be removed? Secondly, I was looking at worm-ridden Fry in the long term. Think carefully about this... who would you become if you were honed from the inside into a perfect being? Would you be the greatest person you could be? Or would you merely become an instrument of your own abilities? It was too early for Fry to lose all his imperfections, but eventually they would have been gone, leaving only his intention remaining. (Like a set of directions). Fry's brain would have become a computer, able to access vast amounts of data at once and probably giving him eidetic recall. Over many years this would cause a conflict which would blur the lines between "the correct course of action" and "the right thing to do". (Remember, the parasites do what they do in the interest of self-preservation, so I have no doubt that in time this would have become Fry's overriding motivation.) His body would have become the embodiment of perfection. In the future, it would have become difficult for him to relate to physical imperfection at any level. His life would have definetely been lengthened, forcing him to watch his loved ones age and die before him. I could go on at great lengths, (as I most likely have already), about the negative long-term effects of the parasites. But in the end one stands out in my mind the most. No matter how much power the worms put at Fry's disposal, they would never be able to rid him of the realization and the doubt that perhaps no one around him loved him for who he was. He would never know if any of his friends were still there simply because he'd become this perfect man. Fry would lose his humanity because, by maintaining his inner collective, he'd lose touch with the outer collective; other people. Fry is the dumbest genius in the universe, and that's why he got rid of his own worms.

I agree with pretty much everything else you said, though. I was trying to be as easy as I could on Leela, but I still came a across as a bit harsh. She loves Fry, so there's no reason why she would want him to realize his inner potential. But if she just thought about it for a bit longer... (Strange that Leela got suddenly so impulsive when it came to Fry, huh?)... she would have realized that it was kinder to allow Fry to improve naturally, as opposed to being bio-reengineered by parasites.

[Reply #195 on:]

I completely agree with your analysis RTW. But one must ask if this thought poped into Fry's mind. (Please don't mistake that as saying Fry is stupid.)

As unpopular as it may make me, I don't blame Fry (or Leela) on the Parasites Lost failure. I think we are expecting too much of the one eyed toboggan  to think that the only reason she stoped the operation was because Fry was able to admit that he loved her. It's no coincidence that Fry became the man of her dreams. On the flip side Fry gets a equal amount of blame due to the way he acted after getting back to apartment 1I.

This episode is a real can of worms. Analysis of it depends on how you watch it. The first time I wanted to blame Leela, second Fry and now I have managed to make peace with my flimsy excuse of it's no ones fault.

[Reply #196 on:]

I've kind of narrowed it down to a more practical question.

Suppose you could get an injection that made you smarter and wiser.  Maybe you get worms, maybe you get hormones, I don't care.

If you accept such a treatment, are you still you?  Are you you, but, like, you++?  Or does the treatment alter you so much that you're somebody else?

Myself, I think you're still you, you just took a cheap way to greatness.  The rest of us have to improve ourselves, if we choose to, by long, hard work.

I _think_ that's the moral of Parasites Lost.  Fry could have taken the easy route; Leela was still seduced from before.  But he wanted to be loved as Fry, not Fry++.

This episode is one of the many I hold out as examples that Fry is much wiser, and more heroic, than we think he is.

More than that, "Parasites Lost" is, IMHO, one of the best (strictly speaking) science fiction episodes of Futurama, and for that matter, of any program, of the last twenty years.  How do we humans feel about symbiosis?  How do we define ourselves -- purely genetically, or by our interactions with other lifeforms?  What are the ethical ramifications if Fry had decided to keep the worms, or Leela to have let them be destroyed?

I have vague feelings, but not any grand answers.  That's why I love this episode.  PL doesn't present any easy answers -- just the feelings and beliefs of its characters.

And that's great science fiction.  "Here's a scientific question.  Here's how our characters answer it.  Now what would you do?"


 

[Reply #197 on:]

EDIT: Nevermind...I gotta quit giving away all my character insights in threads and save them for my freakin' story, or I'll NEVER finish it....

But I agree with Tom, and still think Leela reacted most strongly to Fry saying he loved her.

[Reply #198 on:]

 

Originally posted by Shiny: Nevermind...I gotta quit giving away all my character insights in threads and save them for my freakin' story, or I'll NEVER finish it...

A new Shiny yarn? Woo hoo! Is this a short, long, or epic length story? (I'm not foolish enough to ask when to expect it.   )

[Reply #199 on:]

 

Originally posted by TomAllen:
I've kind of narrowed it down to a more practical question.

Suppose you could get an injection that made you smarter and wiser.  Maybe you get worms, maybe you get hormones, I don't care.

If you accept such a treatment, are you still you?  Are you you, but, like, you++?  Or does the treatment alter you so much that you're somebody else?

Myself, I think you're still you, you just took a cheap way to greatness.  The rest of us have to improve ourselves, if we choose to, by long, hard work.

I _think_ that's the moral of Parasites Lost.  Fry could have taken the easy route; Leela was still seduced from before.  But he wanted to be loved as Fry, not Fry++.

This episode is one of the many I hold out as examples that Fry is much wiser, and more heroic, than we think he is.

More than that, "Parasites Lost" is, IMHO, one of the best (strictly speaking) science fiction episodes of Futurama, and for that matter, of any program, of the last twenty years.  How do we humans feel about symbiosis?  How do we define ourselves -- purely genetically, or by our interactions with other lifeforms?  What are the ethical ramifications if Fry had decided to keep the worms, or Leela to have let them be destroyed?

I have vague feelings, but not any grand answers.  That's why I love this episode.  PL doesn't present any easy answers -- just the feelings and beliefs of its characters.

And that's great science fiction.  "Here's a scientific question.  Here's how our characters answer it.  Now what would you do?"

Yes that is the question, isn't it? The first time I watched it I was thinking, "No, don't do it you fool! Don't go back to what you were like before!" and could only cringe at the painful but inevitable consequences. Part of me liked the new improved Fry as Leela does, and yet on reflection afterwards I could understand why he changed himself back. And I do understand why Leela subsequently rejects him she's maintaning the same stance as she's always had (and I don't blame her for it.)

So what would I have done? Tough call. Part of me (the selfish part) would have kept the parasites but the other part of me would probably be wracked with doubt by subsequently wondering if she loved me for who I am or for what the parasites made me. It certainly is very far sighted of him to see this and I think that on reflection he made the right call afterall. I agree that it's this moral dilemna that makes it one of my favourite eps too.