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Ralph Snart
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This is as good a place as any to place this: EW rates Futurama as #21 of the best 25 sci-fi shows made since 1982. Considering the competition - Terminator, Firefly, ST: TNG and STII: TWOK just to name a few, that's pretty damned good. http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20037541_4,00.html
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Officer 1BDI
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« Reply #722 on: 12-17-2008 20:43 »
« Last Edit on: 12-17-2008 22:06 »
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Back to the Future should be higher on that list. Just saying. I'm glad Futurama was acknowledged, because I do think it's more culturally significant than a lot of people give it credit for. For instance, I can't think of any forum that I go to, television-related or not, that doesn't know the significance of this scene. ETA: Oh jeeze, sorry for that. Link removed.
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Ralph Snart
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« Reply #723 on: 12-17-2008 21:39 »
« Last Edit on: 12-17-2008 21:40 »
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Uh, 1BDI, the site hates hotlinking. So, here's the heart-breaking scene. And I think that Star Wreck VI: In The Pirkinning should have been on that list.
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-Baye-
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Aww. Seymour. :'(
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KoolMoeDee
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It was from the June image from the 2002 Futurama Calendar.
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Frisco17
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I always wondered where that was from too. Nice find. I could see Leela owning a tank more than Amy. Amy could probably afford one more easily though.
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Frisco17
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Well of course Leela could own with a tank better. That's why Amy got pulled over.
Touché
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aknightofni
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Leela could probably drive it better, but you know Amy would keep it running. Show needs more bad ass Amy IMO...
My family had not seen Benders Game, so I brought it home with me and showed it to them today. They enjoyed it, but watching it again there were some things that irritated me a lot more than before. Probably because of the 75 day countdown again.
Fry went from being an idiot, to an idiot with heart, to trying to not be such an idiot. I actually can fit BS and BWABB into that progression (shakily) as Fry generally improving. But BG brought him down a few pegs below where he started on the idiot scale. He was just full on stupid, and nothing else...
I liked the Leela anger arc, but unless there is some major result in ITWGY they more or less killed who she was in the show. Sure she was angry before, but it was good when that anger was mixed in with her personality, not the only part of it.
I know it is because watching the earlier shows I have a solid comparison now... and yeah all the problems REALLY stand out. With any luck they will snap everyone back to their "Devils Hands" selves for ITWGY. I want to know who these impostors are, and what they've done with the real characters!
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km73
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« Reply #737 on: 12-22-2008 20:37 »
« Last Edit on: 12-23-2008 18:27 »
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...nevermind! Sure she was angry before, but it was good when that anger was mixed in with her personality, not the only part of it. A couple of us have been saying that all along. She was usually more exasperated than angry in the series really, anyway. And not so much defined by her anger. I know it is because watching the earlier shows I have a solid comparison now... and yeah all the problems REALLY stand out. With any luck they will snap everyone back to their "Devils Hands" selves for ITWGY. I want to know who these impostors are, and what they've done with the real characters!
Well, well, there you go. So it took watching the first season again to really bring it home, huh? And you were such a cheerleader for the movies, for the most part. Well, anyway, I would have to say that Fry wasn't any more stupid than he was in A Fishful of Dollars, say; or when he repeated those lines like a parrot in whatever episode that was; but I still think he was too mopey in BBS and more out of character in BWABB. Remains to be seen who/what they'll butcher/trample on in ITWGY.
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Frisco17
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CG and km73 are right it was "Popplers".
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soylentOrange
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The real characters seem to be hanging out in soylent orange's fanfics right now... Whoah. Thanks for that. Well, well, there you go. So it took watching the first season again to really bring it home, huh? And you were such a cheerleader for the movies, for the most part. The same thing happened to me. The movies seem pretty decent until you go back and watch the old episodes. Fry went from being a loser with his heart in the right place to just being a loser, Leela became a shallow, unfeeling bitch with anger issues, and Bender became all whiny. I guess its just been so long since I saw the old episodes that I never noticed it. Kim is right. Leela was never truly angry at anyone during the series, except for during the few moments before she discovered the identities of her parents when it looked like she was going to kill them. That's why she was a great character; she always managed to keep her head in tough situations, and always came through for her friends, no matter how frustrated she was at them. That gave her some depth. When they gave her 'anger issues' for a cheap laugh, they took all of that away.
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km73
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Yes! That's pretty much exactly it. Yay for more converts! Bender's characterization was much better in BG, but one of the main things about the movies besides the character depictions are just their - flatness. Overall they (the films) just strike me as falling so flat, as opposed to the show. But again, willing to suspend judgment for the last one until seeing it, and should be even more interesting to see how the show might pick up again if there's further episodes.
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Frisco17
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I don't really think that they just invented the whole Leela anger thing but they did exagerate it. There a lot of instances in the series where she gets angry and violent, usually involving Zapp. Add to that, beating up Smitty and URL for insulting her nose, wanting to be a witch so she could "...hurt people and not just dance around at the equinox" and her main reason for joining the New Justice Team was because she was "....looking for a way to help the community that incorporates my violence." Like I said it was always there to some extent just not the extent it was in BG. It was just exagerated for the joke factor. Yay for more converts! Uhoh. Did I just sell my soul to the Dark Side of the Ship, or something?
Yes....yes you did.
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Frisco17
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If we're on new thread titles then in honor of ITWGY I suggest "The Ship's About To Hit The Fan"
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Angelikfire
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(...) or when he repeated those lines like a parrot in whatever episode that was.
[nerd] Kif Gets Knocked Up In A Notch. [/nerd]
I thought it was the Problem with Popplers?
*checks the two eps* *facepalms* *headdesks* I absolutely need to rewatch those. And to shut the f@%k up, of course.
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aknightofni
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This was posted from the second review in the movie news thread: There's even room to finally tie up the long-running Fry and Leela romance... well, kinda. Even with elbow room to spare, the series' linchpin saga will still leave you wanting more... of the Futurama of old. For a supposedly 'final' episode, surely there should be some degree of satisfaction? There's nothing here half as touching as the show's final episode, 'The Devil's Hands Are Idle Playthings'. I am not filled with a great deal of hope at the moment. I really hope its a case of the movies being written more or less all at the same time, and the writers hadn't got their mojo back... I was hoping for something akin to "Parasites Lost" or "Devils Hands", regardless of how they decided to implement it... Maybe the reviewer is just being overly negative though. If all this interesting season 5 mystery / conspiracy means anything... the show may very well be set for its return already. So perhaps this isn't the ships final trip to port, but a stop over for a refit and new supplies!
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Frisco17
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I'm trying to not to make any judgments until after I see it. I mean remember what happened before BBS came out?
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aknightofni
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I'm trying to not to make any judgments until after I see it. I mean remember what happened before BBS came out?
I don't. Can't tell if that's a blessing or a curse. I can see how people who followed the show from the start, and waited so long to see it end with "Devils Hands", then waited longer to see it resurrected with BBS would be so flat out disappointed with the movies. Waiting that long to have another reset button pushed is like getting to an oasis in the desert, only you get a kick in the crotch instead of water. Having watched every episode over the period of a few days, back to back non stop, with BBS right after... I never had the sense of waiting. Nor did I have the anxiety build of hearing snippits of news about the new movie either. So I literally went from watching Fry's final holophoner performance to "WTF BBQ WHOS LARS?" In the time it took me to click the next file... Actually I distinctly remember doing a huge mental gear shift from "So how are they doing together!" to "uhhhhhh...." as soon as the professor mentioned the two year gap, my brain saw what was coming and was trying to prep me for it I guess. But having just "met" the characters 3 days prior, I guess it wasn't as painful. Still gotta hold out hope for the movie, but I'm looking forward to some investigative type work to see what the future holds for the show.
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Ralph Snart
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Alternatively, they could have just blown it completely. I'm not holding out much hope now. Neither am I. I've read elsewhere that DXC came pretty close to being lynched by some disgrutled fans at Comic Con this year. The fans (I was not one of them, but I wish I was) told him, point blank, that the writing was horrible and the movies sucked. Instead of even trying to give a token defense, he ran away from the disappointed fans. The movies suck and he knows it. The team had a golden chance to do something grand but instead relied on the same old jokes, relied on the"Fry the loser" and Leela the ice-queen", never thinking that the fans have matured, the characters should have also. I placed a really poison-pen post on the One Left thread last week which is no longer there. In it, I dared any production member who may be lurking to either place a post here on PEEL or send me an e-mail and explain how RDS, DXC and company could have ever thought that the lackluster movies were any sort of "Thanks" to the fans for being the ones who reserrected Futurama. As it is, even some of the most ardent fans no longer defend the movies and a lot have moved on. Dragging out the Fry/Leela arc for so long, then using the RESET BUTTON every time the two got closer eventually killed the suspense of the angle. Ignoring Devil's Hands, taking Fry and Leela relationship back to the middle of Season 3, then making the two seem like teenagers in high school rather than a pair of friends in their thirties who had spent 8 years working together was just a huge slap in the face of all the shippers. And to end the damned thing with another"cliffhanger", hoping for more pressure on FOX to produce more of the same? DXC and Groening owe the fans a huge appology. They don't/won't see it that way, but without the ardent fans, they wouldn't have gotten every wealthy from the royalties of the DVDs and wouldn't had the chance to make more $$$ with the movies. People talk about how The Simpsons has jumped the shark - newsflash, Futurama jumped the shark the moment BBS hit the store shelves. Fry and Leela fans deserved better. Futurama fans deserved better. Ralph 'bitter and disappointed with the movies' Snart
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Frida Waterfall
Professor
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Futurama jumped the shark the moment BBS hit the store shelves.
Scratch that. The moment that unbaked re-premiere was thunk up was when Futurama jumped the shark. I wish the reset button would be our saviour, and if Futurama does make a remarkable return to a series after "Into the Wild Green Yonder", I hope that the writers find a way to erase all the corruption they had created from these movies (maybe the What-if Machiene could come in play, or it could do a total "Dynasty").
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