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Xanfor
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All righty, here ya go, the most shippy threads made ever since I joined... The Intelligent, Long-Winded Shipper Disscussion Thread (For All My Friends!) The Loooovenasium (Or, the Intelligent, Long-Winded Shipper Thread, Part II) Deep Down: Fry and Leela Soul Searching (Semi-Official Shippers' Thread 2.5)* The Shipper Thread Version III-Ship Harder! Once More, Into the Deep: or, I love Futurama, it goes so well with my soul... (Semi-Official Shippers' Thread 3.5) Shippers Keep on Shippin'! ThreadIV We Ship for Free Anywhere In the Galaxy! Shipper Thread V ‘The Shipping News’, the Colditzer_1 Prize-winning thread by jlE. Xannie Archoulx PEEL Shipping Statute 437-B Ship Trek: Deep Thread NineAnd to exclusively chronicle the official shippy threads, we have for your amusement this list of official page links: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154Enjoy!
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Frisco17
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Impressive list Xanfor, most impressive. You forgot the "Evil Conspiracy Against Pedro" thread though.
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Ralph Snart
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Originally posted by Venus:
Oh man, i remember those early threads. We got pretty indepth. To a very nerdy degree. Perhaps, but I remember having a lot of fun with you, Shiny and a few others discussing nerdy things.
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Xanfor
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Originally posted by Frisco17: Impressive list Xanfor, most impressive. You forgot the "Evil Conspiracy Against Pedro" thread though. Do'h! >.<That was my favourite title, too! Originally posted by Venus: Oh man, i remember those early threads. We got pretty indepth. To a very nerdy degree. Did I ever apologise for being so jerky back then? I was going through an extremely tumultuous time... And I fear I consistently came off as extremely annoying and abrasive...
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Frida Waterfall
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When I was a stalker, I used to tune into the shipping threads every visit starting with the Lovenasium (thread 2). I wish I would've joined earlier, then I could've been able to discuss and argue with Shiny.
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Frisco17
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Originally posted by Xanfor: That was my favourite title, too! Same here, that's why I remembered it.
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Frida Waterfall
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Originally posted by Archonix: I'm thinking she meant lurker.
Yeah. I just can never think of the word "lurker" from time to time and use the word "stalker". Besides, "stalker" sounds more obsessed.
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Frida Waterfall
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You're not really lurking and/or/whatever stalking if you're already a member. Then you're just browsing.
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Frisco17
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The is no such thing as fake acounts Archonix. Silly naive Archonix.
He knows to much.
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Frisco17
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Join us Archonix. You'll love the fake accounts.
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Frida Waterfall
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Xanfor brought one of these old-school complaints up on the "Change One Thing in Futurama" thread on General Discussion, and I just had to translate it over here to see what PEELers will say now after watching the first two new Futurama movies out of a four movie set.
"Do you think it would be healthy for the show to put Fry and Leela in a steady relationship?"
Yes... the age-old question has been revived again.
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Ralph Snart
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Originally posted by Frida Waterfall:
"Do you think it would be healthy for the show to put Fry and Leela in a steady relationship?"
Yes... the age-old question has been revived again. Yes, it would open up all sorts of new interpersonal arcs. Jealousy. Dominant partner. Concern for the other whenever danger presents itself. All kinds of new scenarios. Leela's the higher ranking person at work. Will she have the same attitude towards Fry at home? The conflicting personalities - Fry the slob and Leela the neat-freak. Would having sex with Leela be like making it with a Klingon chick? (Leela loves violence so much, I have all idea she would be a little freaky in the sex department.) That's my opinion.
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winna
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It could work... for awhile maybe... for all the reasons that Ralph stated.
But how long does that last before they run out of material in that department? Secondly.. sitcoms (other television shows follow this rule too) do not have the main characters get together live happily ever after style; it kills the show, plain and simple. In a lot of ways, these shows thrive off of sexual tension, and the fans don't see the show in the same way anymore.
At this point, Futurama could be an exception. The show has already seemingly jumped the shark by being cancelled and coming out straight to dvd fiasco style. It's possible that if it continues living, even thriving, that normal television rules no longer apply to the show.
There's also another issue here as well... Shows like this generally thrive on younger characters... younger characters are full of life, and most audiences can relate to younger characters better (how many of you watched Golden Girls?). Part of having young characters means you can inject fresh blood into the show... via new love interests; Futurama is splattered with examples -> Umbriel, Morgan Proctor, Adelaide, Zapp Brannigan, the Mayor's Aide... there's actually more, but you get the idea. So far only 3 main characters have been able to really use this avenue -> Amy, Fry, and Leela. Amy was mostly for throw away slut gags, but they've already changed her dynamic.... and up until BwaBB, I really wasn't happy with the Amy + Kif thing... now, at least to me, they've proven they can work with that element.
Overall.... I'm going to throw this in the maybe bin... because Futurama already breaks the rules. What's more problematic in my mind to the show's continued survival is whether the writers can get into the swing of things. By the time they were producing season 4, their misses were getting farther... see Less Than Hero, although not a bad episode, it felt gimmicky and at times the plot seemed unstable, like they pulled the idea out of a Simpsons table read. And we don't even have to get into the little details that some of us had against the movies. I'm still going to say I haven't seen a bad episode of Futurama yet, but for survival purposes, I think we're shooting for A's and B's here.
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km73
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« Reply #590 on: 08-20-2008 22:45 »
« Last Edit on: 08-20-2008 22:45 »
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That's quite true about Amy; they've already put her into a steady relationship. (Although now they may have [temporarily] dissolved it). You know what, to answer the question, and since it's succinctly articulated, I'm just going to quote an old post of Sine Wave's from 9-29-07 that I came across thanks to those shipper-thread links above. It fits/states my position also. If I may, I'd like to extrapolate a little on the notion that Fry and Leela shouldn't be together until the end of the series. [...] If Fry and Leela [...] go past just dating, any 'progress' will not be towards a higher end, but merely maintaining the status quo after he goofs up or something. Hardly as rewarding an action to observe. This would also essentially change the relationship entirely, shifting Fry from someone who would never hurt Leela to someone that manages to hurt her on a regular basis for the necessity of keeping things interesting. Basically, you'd have Homer Simpson instead of Fry. I have to say that's pretty much my opinion as well. (Though other good points have been raised).
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Xanfor
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Everyone seems to be assuming that either the tension will disappear or that I was referring to was marriage. In actuality I meant neither.
For one, even if they do end up in a relationship, even if they do end up sleeping with each other... Leela may remain content in that position, after all, they're with each other most of the day already (not counting the times when they're together when they don't have to be), they get along most of the time, and it would be a start and something stable for her to rely upon. But Fry... Unlike his experience with other women, he is wanting more from this... He actually loves her deeply, and face it, the tension between them will no longer need be sexual. He wants her hand, and doesn't want to settle for anything less. That tension will still be there. The writers could go for making it like every other show on TV does... They fall in love during their first sexual encounter, and both eventually (usually within the same episode) come to feel the same way about each other. But that would be a waste to the potential they have as of it being where it is today. That would be like Russell T. Davies tossing aside forty-five years of buildup on the Doctor's avuncular nature and turning him into just another straight guy on television.
Wait a second... Smeg!
At any rate, this is, of course, all assuming that Fry hasn't gotten over her and moved on with his life.
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km73
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Originally posted by winna: What's more problematic in my mind to the show's continued survival is whether the writers can get into the swing of things. By the time they were producing season 4, their misses were getting farther... see Less Than Hero, although not a bad episode, it felt gimmicky and at times the plot seemed unstable, like they pulled the idea out of a Simpsons table read. And we don't even have to get into the little details that some of us had against the movies. I'm still going to say I haven't seen a bad episode of Futurama yet, but for survival purposes, I think we're shooting for A's and B's here. I wanted to touch on this... would vaguely agree about misses getting a little more prominent by season 4, but to me not Less Than Hero.. see, I guess to me any real criticisms of most of the original episodes is nitpicking, because there were really very few that I had any problems with, and not most of the ones that seem to be the most universally picked on by others - e.g., That's Lobstertainment, Route of All Evil, BSNBAOTV, etc. Enjoyed all of those. Some of the ones I do have more of a problem with tend to be unconventional - for two, Roswell and Devil's Hands. (My least favorite remain ALOHO and CW though, but even those seem better now compared to the movies, really). But anyway, the point is that I am pretty critical of the movies, and dislike the apologist attitude that many people are having towards them - oh, they were away for 4 years, the writers are rusty, they want to try to please new fans, etc. Fine, but the fact remains that the films could have been far better. So I think that's right about needing to shoot for As and Bs (or A minus-minuses) to get the show back as a series; especially if it's to be worth watching if it does come back. And, noo, somehow I doubt that Fry has gotten over her and moved on with his life. Probably not what they mean by "resolution" that's supposed to come in Wild Green Yonder.
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Frisco17
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Originally posted by Ralph Snart: Yes, it would open up all sorts of new interpersonal arcs. Jealousy. Dominant partner. Concern for the other whenever danger presents itself. All kinds of new scenarios.
I completely agree with Ralph here. It creates tons of new hilarious possibilities. This is essentially what I've always been saying. I like the revival of the long winded discussion but I've talked about this particular matter around five times and don't feel like writing it all up again. I'll look for my old post on the subject later.
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