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Allow me to agree with that. Also, members of the opposite gender begin to actually believe you when you say all you're after is a friendship.

Wow! Amazing!  I have been like that all along, good sir!  My problem has been that men immediately reject me because I do not fit their view of the ideal woman but I was never seeking them as lovers, so that really hurt- they just cut me off before I had a chance to be a friend. If I had been a man they would have been my friend, but because I was a woman they decided I was immediately after them, and that was never the case.  Sigh. Nice to see guys run into the same problem, too.  I am all for love between men and women which is a wonderful thing, but there are also wonderful things that happen between friends  and between family memebers and these is worth celebrating, too (just not in the Shipping thread- but they deserve a thread of their own) !   

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And, DANG, I have double posted!  I did not intend that and hope that the powers that be forgive me!  I will try to be more careful...

Yup, I agree with that, Bendersfan 1221.  That is what it is all about.  Leela has made it abundantly clear that she does not consider Fry good enough for her impossibly high standards.  He has grown up enough to realize (hopefully) that he will be happier finding someone who sees the many wonderful qualities he has developed over the years (and he has grown up a lot- Leela just cannot see that; hopefully the screenwriters have seen that....) (Hope against hope... because I fear they have not)

If Fry and Leela do wind up together down the road it had better be for a reason most of us could believe.  I cannot accept either of them admitting the other was wrong.  They have to accept each other for who they are, and I cannot see Leela accepting Fry for being a good ordinary guy at this point.  I do think they could wind up together, but it will only be after Fry quits working for Planet Express under Leela and she comes, over time, to see him as an equal (which she cannot now) and then can see him for being the great guy who has improved himself for her- yes, he has improved for her, but she also has to show she has improved herself for  him.  With the ever present "reset" button in place, I am afraid that will ever happen.  Anyway, that is my view.  And I hope the readers read the Miles Vorkosigan sagas... they could get some great ideas from there on how seemingly impossible relationships can realistically work out so everyone cheers! 

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Sorry, refer to the next post please. (( rofl, I did not mean to double-post either. I apologize    ))

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Either way or another, I do appreciate the insite, and answer you did provide, BendersFan1221. In the end, I'm sure whether or not alot of people feel this same way, that I really don't like the direction the writers decided to take Leela and Fry.. You think Season 4 would of been any different if they forsaw the movies they would of ended up doing? Probably.., but in the end, (Season 4, for example), the writers pasted Leela and Fry together, as a term of wrapping up the loose ends, if you will. If you listen to the commentary of Devils Hands are Idols Playthings, they pretty much say that this was meant to "wrap things up", so to speak. I don't doubt that by the time the final movie is done, everyone (including Fry and Leela shippers), will get what they want.

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We'll never see Leela and Fry truly become a couple, unless the last DVD movie is supposed to be the last Futurama we'll ever see, period. I'm sure Fox would like to bring the actual series back if the DVDs sell well enough, so I imagine there'll be a big reset button moment in the first episode of the new series (if it comes to fruition) to make Leela & Fry "just friends" again. 

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Originally posted by NastyInThePasty:
We'll never see Leela and Fry truly become a couple, unless the last DVD movie is supposed to be the last Futurama we'll ever see, period. I'm sure Fox would like to bring the actual series back if the DVDs sell well enough, so I imagine there'll be a big reset button moment in the first episode of the new series (if it comes to fruition) to make Leela & Fry "just friends" again.   

"And the fourth one, because for all we know could be the last Futurama we ever do, is another real epic sci-fi story that involves this ancient battle that's been going on for billions of years and our crew of course ends up in the middle of that. It ends on a real sweet note and we'll be content with that if it's the last we ever do.

Source: http://tv.ign.com/articles/838/838551p1.html

Maybe Leela will take a trip and visit the Psychiatrybot.

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Originally posted by Ralph Snart:
  "And the fourth one, because for all we know could be the last Futurama we ever do, is another real epic sci-fi story that involves this ancient battle that's been going on for billions of years and our crew of course ends up in the middle of that. It ends on a real sweet note and we'll be content with that if it's the last we ever do.

Source: http://tv.ign.com/articles/838/838551p1.html

Thanks for finding that link. Really, it helps alot.

I know it's inconsiderate and indirectly immoral of me (sorry winna), but I just want to mention a visual observation. This may spoil a bit of the movie, but it shouldn't bring suicide to the most diehard fan.

Show spoiler

During the segment of scenes immediately after Fry's break-up with Colleen, in the last scene he is playing "Normal Combat" in a dark, deserted arcade. Similar to the two narwhals in "Bender's Big Score", the two characters in Fry's game of "Normal Combat" are orange and purple. This could be a recurring theme amongst the movies to include a romantic relationship between two characters representing Fry and Leela through their coloring. Maybe the crew is trying to subliminally build up to a long-term relationship between Fry and Leela.

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Originally posted by FordMustang:
And, DANG, I have double posted!  I did not intend that and hope that the powers that be forgive me!  I will try to be more careful...

Yup, I agree with that, Bendersfan 1221.  That is what it is all about.  Leela has made it abundantly clear that she does not consider Fry good enough for her impossibly high standards.  He has grown up enough to realize (hopefully) that he will be happier finding someone who sees the many wonderful qualities he has developed over the years (and he has grown up a lot- Leela just cannot see that; hopefully the screenwriters have seen that....) (Hope against hope... because I fear they have not)

If Fry and Leela do wind up together down the road it had better be for a reason most of us could believe.  I cannot accept either of them admitting the other was wrong.  They have to accept each other for who they are, and I cannot see Leela accepting Fry for being a good ordinary guy at this point.  I do think they could wind up together, but it will only be after Fry quits working for Planet Express under Leela and she comes, over time, to see him as an equal (which she cannot now) and then can see him for being the great guy who has improved himself for her- yes, he has improved for her, but she also has to show she has improved herself for  him.  With the ever present "reset" button in place, I am afraid that will ever happen.  Anyway, that is my view.  And I hope the readers read the Miles Vorkosigan sagas... they could get some great ideas from there on how seemingly impossible relationships can realistically work out so everyone cheers! 

That's the most astute perception I've seen written about their relationship in a long while.

I think the first movie really proves true to the words you just wrote... in it Fry has changed completely to become an older gentleman who stands on his own right with his own merit.  I suppose the first movie may grow on me over time.... Redoing cannon type events really bugged me, as did that one music piece that got used repeatedly, and some of the more ridiculous points in the plot..... but who knows.

I'm not willing to talk about the new movie until after it's release date.... but even without content on the new movie we can draw conclusions about both Fry and Leela's character and their relationship between each other.

I was talking about Leela's infatuation with loneliness and misery earlier... The series points these things out over time... She was an orphan and grew up to rely on herself when things were down.  She also lives in a sparsely furnished (empty) apartment.  She tries to go on dates every once in awhile, but truth be told, other than Planet Express, she really doesn't have a social life.  I've often thought about becoming a social recluse myself.... it's lonely, but there's something intriguing to me about living that way. 

I'll echo the sentiment about friendships... it's all about family and relationships. 

Oh and FordMustang, don't feel too bad about doubleposting, as long as you've got something to say in both posts and you don't do it all the time, it's not so bad.  That rule is mostly in place to curb spam.... kinda like how I quintuple posted the other day. 

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Great Bender quotes:

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"Oh, this is going to be awkward - Fry's going to introduce his new girlfriend to Chesty McNag-nag." - When Fry introduces Colleen to the PE crew.

"Oh, this is great!  Fry and both his bimbo girlfriends are back!" Bender "rescuing" the humans from "Heaven"

I loved the shots that Bender took at Leela.  It's almost like he doesn't either fear or respect her during this movie.

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Originally posted by JBERGES:


  While I'm here lemme just agree all sorts with this.  Leela's not actually as filled out as many people make her out to be (lol immature pun).  This is going to sound corny, but I think how we see and describe Leela with her many many flaws is affected mostly by how we see ourselves and others in the real world.  On paper, she's really just an somewhat interesting dichotomy of arrogance and innate insecurity. 

Great big second!

Believe it or not, I actually identify with Leela a hell of a lot (despite what I said in this invterview). I also tend to identify my wife with her - both strong-minded and independent, both... endowed, both with that ever so slightly cute pout... she even had a nice pony-tail for a while. I don't identify with Fry to the extent that other people seem to but, at the same time, it's hard not to identify with him. He's the everyman, the blank slate we can put our own perceptions of life onto and our avatar for exploring these strange new worlds. Like, Kirk was the guy we all wanted to be and Fry is the guy we all know we'd end up as in real life. 

But yes, I do identify a lot with Leela. I can sympathise a lot with the insecurity she has even if I don't necessarily agree with the way she tries to hide it. The arrogance is an expression of that, having spent a long time being all on her own and never really having a real, transformational relationship with anyone - and being betrayed in the few times she came close to one (think Sean and Alkazar). The belief that she's mostly right about everything would stem from that independent streak. Why should she listen to other people now? the thought will go.

See, some of that's me filling in the gaps in her life from my own personality. 

But this creates a problem now. Liek I said, Fry is the Everyman and Leela the "ideal" romantic partner for a lot of people, which can lead to a great deal of emotional investment in the characters. I think the point where you take Leela's rejection of Fry as a personal rejection is probably a time to step back and examine whether you're too invested. Fry has his reasons for pursuing Leela. Leela has her reasons for not wanting to necessarily reciprocate and, lets be honest, from what we know of her life these reasons are actually very good. She doesn't trust enough, sure, but there are reasons for that. Her trust has been broken too many times to easily trust someone again. She's insecure because of her life being one big pile of shite from the first day.

And before someone points out that she has her role-models now, I know she does, and it makes no difference. An entire lifetime of not being able to trust won't be fixed in just a couple of years. It might never be fixed completely

And one final thing. Lars dumped her at the altar without any explanation. The one man she thought she could actually love simply abandoned her for no discernible reason. Even with his subsequent sacrifice that would have stung pretty hard. Ultimately knowing it was Fry, realising he would actually be capable of simply leaving like that, would not go very far to improving Leela's ability to trust. It's worth bearing in mind.

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I'll concur with a lot of that... Her life doesn't seem like shit right out of the racestart though.  Granted we're talking about an animated sitcom, but watch Leela's Homeworld with the flashbacks at the end... And when she reminisces about the orphanage she grew up in, a lot of it is good memories.... well except for the one-eye-one-eye thing.  She's also doing rather well for herself being in her mid to late 20's... hell she was a millionaire for about 30 seconds. 

Her best reason for not being with Fry seems thusly... He's a buffoon with no ambition towards a future... aka a bum/loser.  Would you want to be with someone who's willing to settle for being a delivery boy the rest of his life... Sure his job at Planet Express is actually technically more than delivery boy (although in the future, maybe it's not really as prestigious and exciting as it's made out to be from our perspective), but he's basically an extensive of his pizza delivery boy life from the 20th century.  He lived with his parents and delivered pizzas.... I think in just that Leela is justified in not wanting to invest herself in Fry; the thing contradicting all this is that Fry actually is a special person, capable of being more than a simple delivery boy, and at times taking actions and roles outside of this character. 

What really gets me when I think about it is how intertwined the Planet Express crew is with large events that affect the whole world... they know generals, presidents, influence world elections, create time slips affecting the entire universe, and open rifts to other universes.  Most of the people at Planet Express are fairly ordinary people getting paid almost nothing to do extraordinary things.

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Liek I said, Fry is the Everyman and Leela the "ideal" romantic partner for a lot of people

Fry is the everyman ?

Geez, we certainly can be happy that you're wrong on this one. (the world would be a weird place)

You can't find on earth, or whatever else, a guy more unique than Philip J Fry.

He's one of a kind, really.

He has his own way to see things, to deal with problems or events.

He's good at heart but you just can't know what he will do next.

Yes, he's just a delevery boy, but if you just see that when you look at him you miss the whole picture about this character.

And Leela would be the ideal romantic partner ?

An agressive, bad tempered one eyed girl ?

Let's face it, only Fry and maybe Zapp could fall in love with a girl like that.

It's not only because her eye i think that she's alone.

She has really a very "special" personality.

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Everyone is going to have different view points on the Leela/Fry relationship, and I can respect that. My unmovable view point is that they will end up together, despite what "speed bumps" or "obsticle" that presents themselves. Of course, my own incite that I do provide is thoughtout, and not based on what I want to happen. I do appreciate the incite that are provided by fellow PeeLers in this thread, regardless of what view point may be presented. (to a certain extend, tho lol)

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Originally posted by WAVer: In the end, I'm sure whether or not alot of people feel this same way, that I really don't like the direction the writers decided to take Leela and Fry.. You think Season 4 would of been any different if they forsaw the movies they would of ended up doing? Probably.., but in the end, (Season 4, for example), the writers pasted Leela and Fry together, as a term of wrapping up the loose ends, if you will. If you listen to the commentary of Devils Hands are Idols Playthings, they pretty much say that this was meant to "wrap things up", so to speak. I don't doubt that by the time the final movie is done, everyone (including Fry and Leela shippers), will get what they want.

I completely agree with you. It all sees kinda strange after season 4. Particularly things like The Sting and Devil's Hands. The reset button strikes again.

Something occured to me earlier though. A while ago everybody was talking about the possibility of Leela being jealous about the whole Colleen thing. Now I haven't seen the movie yet so I might be totally wrong on this.

When things don't turn out the way she wants she tends to get extremely mad a the person responsible, even if it's somebody she loves. Take Lars for example. After he calls of the wedding she obviously still loves him but at the same time despsises him.

Zapp: "Ah, the lovely Leela's on-again, off-again paramour. Perhaps a suicide mission would knockthe insubordination out of you."

Leela: "Yes, yes, yes."

Followed soon after by;

Leela: "No, you don't understand. Lars is the only man I'll ever love. I know it in my heart."

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Originally posted by Frisco17:
 
Followed soon after by;

Leela: "No, you don't understand. Lars is the only man I'll ever love. I know it in my heart."

We've all seen Benders Big Score by now, right? So its safe to presume that everyone knows that Lars is some perverted version of Fry, right? Ok then.    (lemmi know if I need to add a spoiler sign or somethin. kthx)

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Yeah I kinda figured everybody would know that already which is why I didn't feel the need to point it out specifically.

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Thanks for your lovely comments, Winna!  You have always been so helpful to those of us new to the forum with your advice and your insights, so I say a big THANK YOU! 

"I'll echo the sentiment about friendships... it's all about family and relationships." 

I sure will agree with that quote!  Western society puts so much on true love and the wonderful feelings that can happen between lovers, but it often overlooks that there are equally powerful feelings based on good friends and on family who support each other-and that many true lover relationships have a basis in being good friends at the start.  Those are relationships that stand the test of time.  I am one of those Fry/Leela shippers who sees that their strongest bonds have been those of the dearest of friends who truly love each other as friends- when they try to take it past that point, things get more strained. My favorite episodes are "Godefellas" and "The Sting". In both cases, Fry and Leela share a very devoted bond that really is true love because it is rooted in their honest feelings for one another as good friends (which does involve Love) and not on playing the dating game- they love each other deeply as friends, with no strings attached.   My dearest hope is that if they develop something romantic it is based on their wonderful friendship. 

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That's the reason why I tend to like the two of them better in the earlier seaons. With a few exceptions like The Sting of course.

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I liked the way the relationship was dealt with in the show.  The movie however, dragged it on too long.

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I'm not really a fan of the way the relationship was developed in the show at all. To me, it felt too forced on, and I guess part of that is due to the reset button and status quo, 'cause nothing ever progressed and even as season four was coming to a close and Fry and Leela were getting closer and closer, I still found myself thinking, "Why is Fry still bothering with her?"

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I liked the way it progressed alot more in the earlier seasons when it seemed to be alot less one sided.

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Since it's been kind of quiet lately:


Kif and Leela's relationship - discuss.

I think the two will always have a bond of friendship, even if they don't see each other very often.  The two seem like they have a pretty good vibe and wouldn't be at odds with each other much.

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The only reason Leela would have anything to do with Kif is because she has children with him and you know what she says, "A gal's gotta watch out for her DNA."

She has already proven that Kif gets on her nerves, to the point that she physically gave him back to Zapp to get his whiney, air-bladder ass off of her ship.  She hasn't done that to Fry, so that shows the amount of irritation that Kif causes her.

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Oh yeah!  I had completely forgotten about BBA.    I was only really thinking back to KGKUAK when I wrote that. 

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Would Leela would still find Kif as objectionable if
• Kif was away from Zapp's influence long enough to get past the initial shock and relief?
• Zapp's presence wasn't an automatic consequence of having Kif around?
I would have thought that Leela would have more in common with a Brannigan-free Kif than, say, Hermes and they get on well enough.

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I gotta agree with Ralphy here.

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Might be a bit of a leap, but in Benders Game Leela is a centaur, and it looks like shes giving someone a lift:



But who?

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Man that's a nice eye there. My guess is it's the Professor. You know being 160+ and all. I bet the one behind her is Bender on a horse or somthing.

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Originally posted by aknightofni:
Might be a bit of a leap, but in Benders Game Leela is a centaur, and it looks like shes giving someone a lift:



But who?

Keen observation there, knight. Impressive, too. I would have never picked up on that detail.

Actually, I believe it is Fry riding on centaur-Leela's back. Gynacaladryo (spelling?), Queen of the Water Nymphos (that has an amazing resemblance to Amy, except for the beautiful hair cascading down the gills on her neck and arms), must not have joined their party yet, as there is a scene seen in the trailer of their meeting. Knight Bender has his steed as show in the trailer when he shouts "Welcome to Cornward (spelling?)", so he's probably riding it in that shot. The wizard Professor must the the person at the back of the traveling group walking, since in the trailer when he enters the Dungeons and Dragons world he is always seen holding his staff and during the provided shot, the silhouette of the only person walking does indeed appear to be carrying a stick of a sort (you can't really tell in the screenshot, but if you watch closely in the video you can see it).

However, if Fry is riding centaur Leela's back, it probably doesn't have any meaning to it- however symbolic you could make it.

By the way aknightofni, welcome to PEEL. Your observations will make you an important member of our community.

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Thanks much!

I'm a big Fry + Leela fan. I've been watching all the DVD's in preparation for the 24th, far as I'm concerned its Futurama day, and refuse to be productive at all for those 24 hours.

I've already seen BWABB, but won't say anything.

As far as Bender's Game: I think it would be nice to leave Fry / Leela alone until the fourth movie. After watching all the episodes at an eyeball bleeding pace I must admit I miss some of the earlier adventures, with "Caring friends" Fry + Leela. Character development really makes Futurama stand out, and I love the Fry / Leela ship when it comes, but its good to have the in between pure random nonsense. The first trip to fantasy should be a clean one, relationships will overshadow the new setting I think.

Let Into The Wild Green Yonder finish up the character stories, hopefully get Fry and Leela paired off, and prepare them for the return to T.V! (Which I fanatically believe will happen).

And thanks again for the welcome!

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That image is really cool-  kind of like taking a funny shot at the statues of Isildur and Anarion from "The Fellowship of the Ring".

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Farnsworth as Gandalf is the definition of "Wicked-Awesome".

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The only thing better would be this.

 

Originally posted by coldangel_1:

Admiral Zoidberg: "We have no choice General Calrissian! Our cruisers can't repel firepower of that magnitude!"

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Fry: It this a tablecloth?

Zoidberg: No! It's a tarp!

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HAHAHA Nice!

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Hmm, just to put a random thought out, what does everything think of Yivo+Universe 1 (the one that's almost the same as ours except for coin tosses)?

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Leela and Fry are married and happy together, so I'm happy.  I'm guessing quite a few people on this thread prefer Leela 1.  I wonder when, chronologically looking at universe A, Leela went on that magical date with Fry..

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No I was asking about Yivo dating that universe. BTW you got it backwards by mistake, Universe A is the one where Leela has purple hair, Universe 1 is the one where she has red hair, Bender is gold, and Zoidberg is Blue.

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I don't think I got it mixed up - I was wondering when in universe A's timeline (therefore universe 1'st timeline), Leela said yes to Fry.  And I was guessing more people on this thread liked Leela in universe 1 better because she gave in to Fry a lot sooner.

Yivo?

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I think he's wondering what would happen with Yivo in that universe.