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HipNoJoe
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« Reply #647 on: 11-30-2007 16:29 »
« Last Edit on: 12-01-2007 00:00 »
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Bendersfan, I may be confused. I've only sat through the whole thing in order twice...maybe the Fry who became Lars didn't go back in time until after the wedding? Damn, now you're forcing me to go watch it again! [EDIT] OK, I was correct before, Fry and Lars diverge well before the wedding. In Scene 7 we see when they meet back up (notice Lars' worried look) and we have Fry telling the story of the split to the PE crew. [/EDIT]Anyway, Originally posted by JustNibblin': (on a different thread) Actually, the parallel quotes by the Frys about "needing to do what makes her happy" implies that Fry3000 has learned basically the same lesson it took Fry2000 twelve years to learn. i.e. implication that he is maturing faster than Lars did. The Lars encounter should be like a shot of steroids for Fry's maturity level. It probably won't be, but it should be. Originally posted by Ralph Snart: (from another thread) The damned thing with them getting closer at the end of an episode and going back to nothing at the beginning of the next episode is just overplayed. Roger that. I was disappointed that it happened again; it was kind of like watching a brand-new re-run if that makes sense. Ralph goes on to blame Leela; I can't since I'm still under her spell. I don't think a real Leela character would string Fry along like that; she's not that heartless. I blame whoever decided to keep them apart until the very last episode or DVD. I'm not saying it is DXC but I sure am thinking it loudly! I still say get them together before the last episode and keep them together for a while or forever; who says there are no stories worth telling about a couple? I mean who besides col-d.
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coldangel
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<<I really want to know what happened in those two years.>>
The Fluorescent Sox won the World Series for the first time since 2870. Bender hit puberty and his voice broke (it's now 0.012 decibels louder). And Fry began gallantly holding doors open and offering his seat for Leela, who failed to notice.
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HipNoJoe
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I'm detecting a lot of frustration here at Fry/Leela being stuck in a loop, and a lot of it is emanating from myself. I wish the writers/producer(s) had the courage to try something different with actual ground-breaking developments in the 'ship! If BBS gets them together without actually getting them together and then leaves them in the same holding pattern, then it appears that BWBB actually abandons it or at least does nothing to promote it. Of course that is just from a few preliminary scenes but I'm going to assume that is the case. Who knows, I might be wrong about it and receive a pleasant surprise when it is released.
Also, minor news flash: the macaroni heart scene from BBS was a late addition to the story, so for some reason the producers decided to add a shot of Fry whimpering about him and Leela. In most of the other scenes where he addresses it he is mainly angered by Lars. Source: Best Buy bonus DVD PS: Has anyone listened to the audio commentary all the way through for insights on Fry/Leela?
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Frisco17
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I remember that Fic, Coldy. Kinda weird how that turned out. Between that and Archonix's Lars picture, you two could have written the whole movie.
I forget who said it but somebody mentioned that Lars wasn't dense or childishly playful anymore. He isn't dense because he got alot of life experience during his, for lack of a better term, time oddesy. But he is definatly just as playful as Fry, he just knows that there's a time and place for it. For example when he hoisted Hermes' head into the jar, "Up and away!", that's a pretty Fry thing to say. An even better example is the glass trick at the restaurant. That one made me realise that Leela doesn't mind people being immature and playful, she just minds when Fry does it because she's always looking for imperfections in him to use as excuses whenever she feels close to him.
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SonicPanther
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I think that's been pretty much proven...
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Frisco17
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My opinion on Lars is kinda divided.
On the one hand the whole idea of Lars being a time paradox copy of Fry was brilliant. I also think the "getting Leela together with Fry, without actually getting her together with Fry" thing is extremely clever.
As a character Lars is a tad annoying. I mean he's not Cubert annoying but just a little annoying. The main thing is that Fry is my absolute favorite character and he just isn't Fry.
I guess the short version is it isn't so much I like Lars but I like what he represents. (Not old boring Fry but a knock on the head for Leela) He'd get real old if he was a frequent character. Then again he's dead so that solves that.
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Ralph Snart
Agent Provocateur
Near Death Star Inhabitant
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To keep it short, it was a pretty good movie but was also a bit of a letdown. I'd like to discuss a bit with Ralph Snart sometime soon after I post my review. You can confer with me via e-mail if you wish or we can have the discussion on an open forum. My e-mail is in my profile and I think that we can safely stop using spoiler tags. The hardcore fans have already watched the DVD and the casual fans have probably read the plot on other sites.
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HipNoJoe
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Originally posted by Frisco17: My opinion on Lars is kinda divided... ...it isn't so much I like Lars but I like what he represents. (Not old boring Fry but a knock on the head for Leela) He'd get real old if he was a frequent character. Then again he's dead so that solves that. He's more or less Fry with some boyish charm still but not the childishness - exactly what Leela wants. In and of itself that is no reason for Leela to dump Fry like a hot rock and immediately cling to Lars. The assumption must be that things didn't work out after TDHAIPT and she feels no loyalty to Fry at all (an all too common occurrence in the series), and that this new guy has a comfortable feel to him. As smart as the time-copy love story was as a plot, for me the bottom line will remain that only a genuine, reciprocal relationship between them will be satisfying, even if that means toning down Fry's goofiness a bit to suit Leela.
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Ralph Snart
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This has probably already been mentioned but: Has anyone noticed similarites between Leela and Michelle like how they treat Fry as a fall back guy just to keep them selves happy then when someone "better" comes along they just are like "Fry who?" Then something bad happens between the guy and them and they immediately go back to Fry and dump him the moment someone else comes along. Cold. Comparing Leela to Michelle. But I agree. Yes, I've mentioned before how important Fry is to Leela when she has nobody but the moment she meets another person, Fry is relagated to being Nibblers walker and poop cleaner. She also seems to have no problem letting Fry know when she's about to 'get lucky' with another guy, knowing how Fry feels about her. So I've become a Leela-hater. My once favorite character has now become my most hated. I prefer Zoidberg over her. As I've said before, Leela has a hell of a lot of 'maturing' when it comes to treating her friends well. I hear the Shippers. "Oh Ralph, Fry chases after Leela. It's not her fault when she shoots him down." True and that's one aspect of Fry I don't like - his single minded pursuit of a person who treats him badly. That said, Leela eggs him on by giving him mixed messages - she gives him just enough attention to keep him chasing after her so she can give her ego a boost by turning him down. Face it, Leela doesn't have a lot of boyfriends in her past for a reason, and it's not because of her occular oddity. A real-life Leela would be a pain-in-the-ass to be around any amount of time. Leela has so many pathos that she can never be happy, even if she does have kids with her important husband, the Senator (just wait until he gets home).
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FryFangirlLisa
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« Reply #677 on: 12-03-2007 20:59 »
« Last Edit on: 12-03-2007 20:59 »
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Generally speaking, I'm neutral towards the shipping stuff, really. ^^ I'm neither for it, nor against it. To be honest, I rather like how the series has things currently. Fry chasing after Leela and her not liking him just yet - in my opinion, I think this adds something special and interesting to the show. But if, in the last movie (or the end of the series, cause I'm not sure how many episodes they'll have), they do have Leela get together with Fry finally, that would be nice. I wouldn't hate it or anything like that. Because I think seeing Fry together with Leela for a certain amount of time would be cute, and something that many fans want. So it would be a good thing, as long as their dating or whatever doesn't last too long. However, if something like that does happen, I'd be worried that Fry and Leela getting together would bring too much romance into the series. And personally, I don't want that to happen. I like the way the series is now, and I don't want it to change. Originally posted by Frisco17: I forget who said it but somebody mentioned that Lars wasn't dense or childishly playful anymore. It was me who said that. XD Originally posted by Frisco17:He isn't dense because he got alot of life experience during his, for lack of a better term, time oddesy. But he is definatly just as playful as Fry, he just knows that there's a time and place for it. For example when he hoisted Hermes' head into the jar, "Up and away!", that's a pretty Fry thing to say. An even better example is the glass trick at the restaurant. That one made me realise that Leela doesn't mind people being immature and playful, she just minds when Fry does it because she's always looking for imperfections in him to use as excuses whenever she feels close to him. Oh. You know what, I didn't notice any of that. O.O But then again, I've only seen the movie one time so far.... I agree with you though, on the fact that Lars does still have some of that childishness in him. And also that, he just knows when to act like that, and when not to. However, I still don't like how Lars doesn't have as much childishness as Fry. Anyway, yeah, I need to watch the movie through a second time, and then again a 3rd time just be sure I caught everything. I'm gonna watch the movie again tonight, cause I lovead it. ^^ I'm waiting until after I see the movie a second time, to do my review of it. Originally posted by km73: And I can't really view Lars as Fry either. To me Lars just lacked most of the characteristics that make Fry charming. It seems as if most people don't have too much of a problem with him though. I completely agree with you there, km73. Originally posted by Frisco17: My opinion on Lars is kinda divided.
On the one hand the whole idea of Lars being a time paradox copy of Fry was brilliant. I also think the "getting Leela together with Fry, without actually getting her together with Fry" thing is extremely clever.
As a character Lars is a tad annoying. I mean he's not Cubert annoying but just a little annoying. The main thing is that Fry is my absolute favorite character and he just isn't Fry.
I guess the short version is it isn't so much I like Lars but I like what he represents. (Not old boring Fry but a knock on the head for Leela) He'd get real old if he was a frequent character. Then again he's dead so that solves that. Wow! It's like you took the words right out of my mouth! XD Those are my exact thoughts and opinions on Lars as well. And I think you summed everything up nicely there. Like you, I like the fact that Lars is a duplicate of Fry, and I like the idea of them getting Fry and Leela together without actually doing that. That was awesome!! ^_^ On the other hand, I don't like Lars as a character though. He's just not the Fry I know and love. He's a more mature person, someone who's perfect for Leela in every way possible. And to add more to that, he's also missing some important aspects of his personality, things which I like most about Fry. So yeah, overall, I have mixed feelings about Lars. I'm pretty neutral towards him, because I like him, and at the same time, I don't like him. ^^;
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Frisco17
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« Reply #678 on: 12-03-2007 22:43 »
« Last Edit on: 12-03-2007 22:43 »
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Originally posted by HipNoJoe: As smart as the time-copy love story was as a plot, for me the bottom line will remain that only a genuine, reciprocal relationship between them will be satisfying, even if that means toning down Fry's goofiness a bit to suit Leela. That's what I was thinking, you just seem to be much better at wording things than me. I kinda see Lars as a step in that direction. Especially because Fry seem to be able to learn things alot faster than Lars. Something that always bugs me is the "Fry and Leela getting together would ruin the show" theory. There's a whole cache of mayhem and hilarity in that situation just waiting to be tapped. The show would by no means become an F/L love fest. In fact it would probably be alitte less so because Fry wouldn't need to be working so hard to impress Leela. I don't think it would ruin the show at all, I think it would be like a second (or in this case third) wind. It would be a refreshing new situation to poke fun at and add the word "space" to.
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bend_her
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Fry and Leela getting together ... I don't think it would ruin the show at all, I think it would be like a second (or in this case third) wind. It would be a refreshing new situation to poke fun at and add the word "space" to. Amen to that. I can think of several examples of TV shows that drew off an asymmetric relationship, by which I mean a relationship between two people who aren't 99.99% clones of each other with one chromosome swapped. He's a more mature person, someone who's perfect for Leela in every way possible. Again with the "Lars is mature" thing. I don't get it, what about Lars makes him so mature anyway? That is, of course, if you can spill the beans about the inner workings of female minds without disrupting the underlying social order or something. Women... *grumbles*
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