Xanfor
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Methinks me needs to start another Shippyest Fan Art/Shippy Logo contest...
How about it? Anyone want to?
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coldangel
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Awwww... And then Zoidberg spoiled the moment, because that's what Zoidberg does best.
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Xanfor
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I used to use framegrabs to make little mini stories, back in some old threads. Their titles usually followed the syntax 'The Best Moments of Such-and-Such Episode and Their Extrapolated Consequences'. I remember I started with 'Time Keeps On Slippin'', and then moved on to others. Maybe I'll start doing that again...
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gaschief
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Yeh the end bit is quite touching were fry sacrifices his O2 supply to save Leela. Which contrasts dramatically with The series has landed were Fry declares its every man for himself, when they run out of O2 on the moon. Its interesting the way the writers toy with the shippy them throughout the seasons, after all in space pilot 3000, I think a precedent is set for potential shippiness, in that scene were fry surrenders to Leela to get the career chip put in, then she decides to quite her job..'because i always wanted to, i just never realised until I met you.' Iam rambling now...Love and Rocket is very good, the bunny boiling ships computer is very funny!
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SpaceCase
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« Reply #569 on: 08-31-2007 11:39 »
« Last Edit on: 08-31-2007 11:39 »
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Originally posted by bend_her: Offtopic, but shouldn't your sig read "I'm not imaginary, I'm complex!"? Originally posted by km73: No, I'm pretty sure she said parallel?? Granted I haven't seen the episode for a while but I could swear that's right. It’s a pun, evidently based on the difference between complex numbers, and Imaginary numbers. If not, I’ve just made someone look a whole lot smarter than they are. Originally posted by Xanfor: I used to use framegrabs to make little mini stories, back in some old threads. Their titles usually followed the syntax 'The Best Moments of Such-and-Such Episode and Their Extrapolated Consequences'. I remember I started with 'Time Keeps On Slippin'', and then moved on to others. Maybe I'll start doing that again... Go for it. Originally posted by HipNoJoe: One of my absolute favorite images. The look in Fry's eyes as he gently clasps her hand...Leela's faint smile instead of one of her negative reactions...And I think to myself "what a wonderful world." What a Wonderful World, indeed...
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Ralph Snart
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Near Death Star Inhabitant
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Oh please, Leela's already bossy and domineering.
Her personality may be fun in a cartoon but in real life...
Let's just say she would be a lonely, bitter person.
Hey wait! She's already there!
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bend_her
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SC: Thanks, its good to know someone got it. Oh please, Leela's already bossy and domineering. What if that's exactly what Fry wants? Maybe he changed from the time he made his comments about Amy. Besides, being bossy doesn't always imply bitterness...
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coldangel
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The few occassions where Leela has softened to Fry have seen a marked decrease in her general level of bossiness. She almost seems to open up, like her bossiness was actually a protective shell.
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bend_her
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Originally posted by coldangel_1: She almost seems to open up, like her bossiness was actually a protective shell. My point exactly. It's not like she's being bossy on purpose. I think it might have something to do with the fact that she came from an environment where she was constantly bullied. Originally posted by Decapodian:Are you saying that Fry gets some sort of perverted pleasure out of being bossed around? I'm no psychologist, but why does Fry being submissive imply that he's perverted? Again, we know Fry grew up in a family where he was always being told what to do by Yancy Sr. (and to a lesser extent, Yancy Jr). And I complain that others overanalyze...
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Frisco17
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I think I find the former theory much more plausible than the latter.
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Frida Waterfall
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It could be a combination of factors that make Leela "bossy" (I don't consider her to be bossy, just strict). As stated by bend_her, as a child, she was picked on by her peers because of her eye made her "bossy" (moreso sensitive and defensive). But I think were missing the obvious. Leela... is a woman. A very hormonal woman, according to the rest of the crew (especially the Professor). Luckily, she takes her emotions out through exercise.
I've realized yesterday while watching "The Sting" that Leela needs Fry more than Fry needs Leela. Physically, Leela's the one saving Fry's butt from his own (or Bender's) doing. More importantly, Leela gives Fry a personal purpose in life. If Leela never entered Fry's life, then Fry would find his life in the 31st century to be as pointless as his life in the 20th century. Fry has set out many times to protect her (A Bicyclops Built for Two, The Sting, etc.). He's been a great influence on her; she'd still be a fate assignment officer. And looking at how she was in "The Sting", she'd be an emotional wreck without him.
Heh... I just realized how fitting the job of "fate assignment officer" is for Leela.
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SonicPanther
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Well...I've always thought Leela had one shockingly realistic dream there - minus the random musical number, of course.
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Frisco17
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Originally posted by gwynhwyfar: Frida, i always enjoy reading your Fry/Leela points! [Scruffy] "Second" [/Scruffy]
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Frida Waterfall
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Originally posted by Decapodian: You don't know if she would be an emotional wreck without him. That was in The Sting in where her entire 'going crazy thing because of Fry's death' was just a hallucination. True to an extent- let me explain. Dreams are created from the sub conscience. If you don't know about the sub conscience part of our minds, its a section of the brain that works without our own direct command (it's a bit complicated). So, when Leela was mentally out-of-it in "The Sting", the entire experience was composed of what was going on in there. From what she remembered last, Fry took the hit of the giant baby queen bee. So, in her mind, she assumed that Fry had died and took all the blame for his death. Now, in her last dream sequence, all the emotion shown derived from how much she missed Fry, not from the unbearable guilt that she felt. She was even about to put herself to sleep (practically suicide in a way) just to be with him. If it wasn't for Fry's support (by the way, it's very shippy), then she would have continued on with the final spoonful of honey. About the dream in "The Sting", it's possible that what was going on around Leela as she was asleep would influence some actions in the dreams. If you listen to the commentary on the episode, somebody said that their original plan was for everything that Fry said in her dream he was actually saying at her bedside. It looks like they may have wanted us, the fans, to assume that Fry did have some influence to her dreams. Note the stress toy on the nightstand, the Ice Fields of Hyperion on the screen, and Fry's trademark jacket wrapped around her shoulders. Originally posted by Professor Zoidy: Basically, neither of the two could really go on being happy without each other. If Fry didn't have Leela, he'd probably would have been killed long ago, but he wasn't and vice versa with Leela, though she's needed saving far less times. In a sense, Fry's the "damsel in distress" and not a woman for once. A new twist on an old cliche. Leela doesn't save Fry from death that much, actually. Even so, most of the saving took place in the beginning of the series when Fry was clueless about how society worked. I wanted to empathize that Fry would be passionless without Leela. Back in the 20th century, Fry really didn't like his life as a pizza delivery boy with a girlfriend who *might have* been cheating on him. He didn't have any ambitions. In the 31st century, he might have a low-paying, yet thrilling job and a vulgar robot as a best friend, he still didn't really have any goals in life. When he realized that his relationship with Leela had a lot more meaning than originally thought, it gave him something to chase. Remember, he froze himself for Leela.
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Xanfor
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I shall henceforth, from this moment on, refer to Frida Waterfall as Shiny the Second. This is a complement of the highest order, and means that no longer need I scrounge this thread for errors and correct them in a tediously pedantic manner. A female of intelligence and long-windedness and general all-around understanding, ability, and common sense has once more arrived and made this her residence. The Official Shipper's Thread is now officially living again!!!
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SonicPanther
Professor
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Wow, after reading the post I was myself going to say Frida is the next Shiny. Great minds think alike, eh Xanfor?
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bend_her
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Frida, most of your points are valid for 3/4ACV-Fry. Before that, one gets (aw, heck, I get) the sense that he wasn't sure Leela was "the one" for him, although he still likes and respects her a great deal (ref: Bicyclops). I don't think that Leela's dream was because of her subconscious mind, it was simply her mind trying to make sense of recent events as she perceived them. This doesn't imply guilt, just that she doesn't know the whole story. I have a rather mundane theory of why we dream, but the Shipper's thread is probably not the best place for it. Note the stress toy on the nightstand, the Ice Fields of Hyperion on the screen, and Fry's trademark jacket wrapped around her shoulders. [Zapp] Brave-o! [/Zapp] I noticed the jacket and stress-toy, but the picture on the wall was a good find. You can almost hear Fry absent-mindedly looking around the room, thinking of something to say before finding the picture. The Official Shipper's Thread is now officially living again!!! [Zoidberg] What? Hooray! [/Zoidberg]
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Professor Zoidy
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Originally posted by Frida Waterfall: Leela doesn't save Fry from death that much, actually. Even so, most of the saving took place in the beginning of the series when Fry was clueless about how society worked. I wanted to empathize that Fry would be passionless without Leela. Back in the 20th century, Fry really didn't like his life as a pizza delivery boy with a girlfriend who *might have* been cheating on him. He didn't have any ambitions. In the 31st century, he might have a low-paying, yet thrilling job and a vulgar robot as a best friend, he still didn't really have any goals in life. When he realized that his relationship with Leela had a lot more meaning than originally thought, it gave him something to chase. Remember, he froze himself for Leela. Well, you shut me up Frida. But you still have to admit, they all equally needed saving at one point or another, and it was interesting. It isn't always just this character or that character. It's pretty much all of them.
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coldangel
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« Reply #591 on: 09-03-2007 19:29 »
« Last Edit on: 09-03-2007 19:29 by coldangel_1 »
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But let's not forget the changes that Fry's free spirit and wide-eyed optimism wrought in Leela in the very first episode. Fry: What are you doing? Leela: Quitting. Fry: Why? Leela: Because I've always wanted to. I just never realised it before I met you.
While Leela gave Fry something to live for, it's Fry who teaches Leela how to live. Before he came along she was a jaded cynic who seemed willing to live her life in miserable acceptence of her lot. Of course, the triumvirate is completed by Bender, who provides proactive 'energy' to the trio while gaining a much-needed moral guide from the other two. It's a trio that works together even better than Kirk, Spock and Mcoy. And sexier.
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Frida Waterfall
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Originally posted by coldangel_1: While Leela gave Fry something to live for, it's Fry who teaches Leela how to live. Before he came along she was a jaded cynic who seemed willing to live her life in miserable acceptence of her lot.
To live and love, Coldy. "Are we going to fly through space, fight monsters and teaching alien to love?" Originally posted by coldangel_1: Of course, the triumvirate is completed by Bender, who provides proactive 'energy' to the trio while gaining a much-needed moral guide from the other two.
I would love to explore how important Fry and Leela's relationship is to Bender and visa-versa. There's a lot to say on that topic. However, I'm not sure that it can be discussed here on a shipper's thread. I'll make a thread for it sometime later.
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coldangel
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In a sentence: Fry and Leela are teaching Bender how to be human.
That is, of course, the primary developmental theme that's examined whenever sentient robots are depicted in fiction.
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Frisco17
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Originally posted by Xanfor: I shall henceforth, from this moment on, refer to Frida Waterfall as Shiny the Second. This is a complement of the highest order, and means that no longer need I scrounge this thread for errors and correct them in a tediously pedantic manner. A female of intelligence and long-windedness and general all-around understanding, ability, and common sense has once more arrived and made this her residence. The Official Shipper's Thread is now officially living again!!!
You are absolutly right! It's amazing how much this thread has picked up recently and returned to it's former quality.
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FuturamaPac
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It's hard to believe I was reading this thread a few weeks ago when jle was constantly rejecting Deca. Now, it's shippy again!
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Frida Waterfall
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Originally posted by Xanfor: I shall henceforth, from this moment on, refer to Frida Waterfall as Shiny the Second. This is a complement of the highest order, and means that no longer need I scrounge this thread for errors and correct them in a tediously pedantic manner. A female of intelligence and long-windedness and general all-around understanding, ability, and common sense has once more arrived and made this her residence.
I'm flattered... However, I don't think I could ever be a succeeder to the original Queen of the 'Ship. My posts aren't anywhere near the quality of hers. Originally posted by Xanfor: The Official Shipper's Thread is now officially living again!!! Uh... not quite. Back in the first two or three shippers' threads, I remember that a single page would be filled up within a day. That's 50 posts in a day. That would be fantastic if this series of threads could restore its title of being the hottest thread on PEEL. I got high hopes that the movies may jig it back to its former self. Originally posted by coldangel_1: In a sentence: Fry and Leela are teaching Bender how to be human. There's more that meets the eye. I've had this in my mind for a while, and the thought, at first, seems absolutely ridiculous. It's long, and I don't have the time to write it all out on a weeknight.
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