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coldangel

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Noble acts of self-sacrifice aren't necessarily romantic. Heroic, yes. Chivilrous, yes. But you'd like to think a bloke would do something like that for any lady... otherwise what purpose do we serve? None. Not in the modern world; there is very little place left for men except to take an occasional bullet for the women so they can run the world for us.
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coldangel

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Then I should have girls hanging off me. WHERE ARE THEY??
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coldangel

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I normally hate it when they sing; with the exception of Jesus Christ Superstar (I'm not religious, it's just breathtaking) all other musicals piss me off. But the songs in The Sting and Devil's hands are the only ones that seem to fit nicely into context and don't make me cringe.
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Shiny

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I love all the musical epsides. I think reality would be a lot better if we could just burst into song (with orchestrated backup) to express our feelings. IMHO, "Time Keeps on Slippin'" is not NEARLY as hopeless as it could be. The ending, while heartbreaking, at least implies that winning Leela's heart is still possible, if very difficult. (For utter suicide-inducing tragedy, it's "Jurrassic Bark" all the way...the only episode of any television show EVER to reduce me to a sobbing, helpless basket case, unable to recover or go to sleep until I scribbled out a story to "fix" it. And that was just from reading the transcript online!!! If I'd actually HEARD "I Will Wait for You" instead of just reading the title, I'd probably have just dropped dead of terminal existential angst right there... )
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coldangel

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Dude... it's just a dog...
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Shiny

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It's just an utterly helpless creature who loves with a pure loyalty unadulterated by human complexities...a member of a species we domesticated to be our companions, "creating" a new species in fact, capable of bonding with humans (in lieu of other dogs) in a bond so deep that even extreme abuse may not end the loyalty...an animal with a deep and abiding awareness of the presence of its loved ones, and therefore a deep and abiding awareness of the ABSENCE of its loved ones that it cannot mitigate nor rationalize away...an animal with no sense of time, so that it can never conclude that its loved one is never coming back and seek happiness elsewhere...a creature doomed to suffer for its loyalty until it drops dead in mid-longing.
Yes, a dog. But not "just."
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Stezzy

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Shiny I understand where you're coming from. The episode upset me too. Its not "just" a dog, it's about vulnerability and longing, love and loyalty and feelings of being abandoned to death. It stirs up a huge amount of feelings that pretty much everyone can identify with, regardless of who or what the character is. The dog dying while waiting for its master to return is a pretty powerful image. Great episode though, it deals with so many emotions.
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coldangel

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I hate dogs. And they hate me.
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Shiny

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coldangel, you SO need a puppy...  What makes that episode especially painful is the lengths the writers went to to show that Fry really loved Seymour...he cared so much about getting "his puppy" back (a very telling way to phrase it) that he was even more interested in setting up a dog bed than in watching Leela and Amy engaging in scantily-dressed combat. I guess they did that so we wouldn't think Fry took his dog's love lightly...but it just made the knife twist even more. Stezzy, thank you and welcome to PEEL! Good assessment. Venus, thank you and great to see you in the thread...hug Anica for me!
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KitKatBar-Fry

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Me too. I loved that episode to bits, though. Although was seriously water-working by the end of it. My aunt always used to sing that song at family reunions. And then she died a year ago, on Remembrance day. So the dog dying, tied in with my emotions over auntie (who wasn't really my aunt, in fact, but my grandpa's best friend. Her name was Jacquilline; I was named after her!) was almost too much to bear. I seriously had to eat some chocolates to make myself feel better.  And then my mom had to go and call me by my name for dinner...too much, too much. But other than that, the episode was class "a" eggs, baby!
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« Reply #63 on: 11-09-2006 19:12 »
« Last Edit on: 11-09-2006 19:12 »
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Originally posted by Fry_B: I know this may be a petty detail, but why was the fossil on display at Panucci's that of a dog standing ? I thought Seymour laid down before he was gone ? (sorry to bring back that sad part again) I actually think the Nibblonians may have played a role in that. Not only was he standing, but the dog was found at Panucci's 1000 years later AND was the only item there preserved in dolomite (sp?) of all things (which as Farnsworth pointed out, is pretty hardy stuff), when really he should have been picked up by animal control or the sanitation department and chucked wherever dead animals end up getting chucked.... Sorry. Anyway, it's just a baseless theory, but I've always figured that Seymour's fossilation was meant to be a backhanded appology for freezing Fry in the first place ("Heh, sorry we ripped you from your friends, family, and old life as a whole for our own purposes. But hey, we feel kind of bad about that, so... um... we'll give you your dog back!" ). Clearly they couldn't hand it off directly to him, so they preserved him well enough to last a millenium and hid him in a place they figured Fry might eventually come back to visit, where he would "stumble upon" the fossil. Other than that, I have no idea how he would have ended up encased in dolomite.
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coldangel

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Well, I am a Professor apparently.
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Originally posted by coldangel_1: Rigor-mortis put the canine in 'standing' position, and Dolomite is a sedimentary carbonate rock. Dolomite accounts for about 10% of all sedimentary rock, including much that's produced near the surface of the Earth, so there is no logical reason why the petrification of the dog would not have encompassed large amounts of that mineral. It's just luck of the draw and physical location. Aparently it was quick fossilization or something - whatever that means - but Seymour was definitely not in standing position in the last seconds of the episode. Lying on the side is a different position. But - what was I arguing here about again ?? Oh, my main point was that that may have not been Seyomour's fossil in the first place and the implications of that fact. Well I guess - let's leave poor Seyomur rest in peace
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coldangel

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She wanted to lose her virginity again.
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coldangel

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The comics aren't canon. I think it's just youthful zeal overriding the adult mind. Hormones, etc. She's doing what she wants to do instead of what she feels she *should* do.
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coldangel

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*gasp*
I'm in an ugly physical state! I have a big gash on my forehead - did you see the picture?
I think she was just high on puberty.
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coldangel

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It's not a scar yet, it's still an open wound. And it HURTS!! Arrgh... oh well. I'm gonna have to wear a bandanna for a while.
Puberty. I never really noticed it. Just happened gradually and I took it in stride. Only vexing thing was the pimples. But that would explain Leela's teen thing with Fry.
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