The Why Of Fry

[Reply #40 on:]

 

Originally posted by SuperFry:
Yes because the Fry that went back in time kept finding a way back but kept going in an infinte loop around and around and he can't break out of the loop while the Fry with the Scooty Puff Sr. kept going in aline all the way to Devil's Hands but in the Devil's Hands I didn't know he actually got the devils hands and the devil got Fry's

Next time you post, please, please, try to actually make sense. Run-on sentences make peoples' brains explode.   

[Reply #41 on:]

You couldn't make sense of that???   

[Reply #42 on:]

 

Originally posted by winna:
You couldn't make sense of that???      

It makes sense, but it needs some punctuation... lots of it.

[Reply #43 on:]

Those are the sentences I used to do.

[Reply #44 on:]

In the Devils' Hands did Fry and the Devil actually switch  hands.

[Reply #45 on:]

Superfry must be feeling pretty stupid. I.e. the same way he normally does. Get to bed you stupid kid.

[Reply #46 on:]

 

Originally posted by SuperFry:
Yes because the Fry that went back in time kept finding a way back but kept going in an infinte loop around and around and he can't break out of the loop while the Fry with the Scooty Puff Sr. kept going in aline all the way to Devil's Hands but in the Devil's Hands I didn't know he actually got the devils hands and the devil got Fry'

my brain hurts

[Reply #47 on:]

The whole thing is confusing.

[Reply #48 on:]

well everyones over analysing,

just assume time travel in its simplist form is possible due to the brains powers
and there you have no paradox

[Reply #49 on:]

I have a strange theory.  I think that fry was responsible for the fact that the flying brains couldn't affect him.  Remember in roswell that ends well he impregnates his own grandmother causing himself to become his own grandfather thus he is in definition inbred.  This may have been the cause for his wierd brain wave pattern.  So it is actually his own fault that the nibblonians picked him out and froze him.

This bout of insanity I have just come across is all your fault with all your stuff about time and space and loopy looping.

EHU WEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!! this is absalutley incredible 

[Reply #50 on:]

MY GOD THATS BRILLIANT

[Reply #51 on:]

Um don't they say that in "The Why Of Fry"?

[Reply #52 on:]

i dont rember that,
i just remember in the day the earth stood stupid
they mention fry has diffrent brain wave patterns,
and on the commentray for roswell that ends well,
they discuss different possibilities, which they wouldn't do if they had already made that decison

[Reply #53 on:]

I'm pretty sure that in either "The Day The Earth Stood Stupid" or "The Why Of Fry" Nibbler or Ken or one of the Nibblonians said something like ".... delta brain waves do to being his own grandpa...."

[Reply #54 on:]

I don't know what you mean

[Reply #55 on:]

Its in the Why Of Fry..
"It is because I'm so smart?"
"Ho hehe hohohoho, oh my.. Anyway, u weren't effected because of cetain action u did in the past which made u ur own grandfather"
"yeap! I did do the nasty in the pasty!"
or something like that... 

[Reply #56 on:]

I only just realised that when Fry said "pasty" he didn't mean of the Cornish variety. 

[Reply #57 on:]

yeah its coming back now, i was watching with my dad, and i wan't sure if he'd seen the roswell episode

[Reply #58 on:]

Now I remember oh well it just proves that I'm right doesn't it?

[Reply #59 on:]

Seriously though, we won't ever really know the answer unless time-travel is ever actually invented.[/QUOTE]
  If it was invented, dont you think thet we would be surrounded by futureistic people
telling us what to do and what not to? Even if they didnt, eventually someone will slip up and say something and cause the"past" generations to do something, alterating the future and possibly creating more time "travelers" 

[Reply #60 on:]

 i think time travel is completley incomprehensible there only one line of time
we cant go back because its already happend
sorry to ruin peoples fantasies

[Reply #61 on:]

I think that if time travel were possible it should be banned because its so dangerous. 

[Reply #62 on:]

I just had a thought. When Fry asks the Infosphere those questions about stamps and dinosaurs, instead he could have asked if Seymour had a happy life. Or what happened to Seymour after he got frozen? Then when he found out, that would have added even more emotion to the infosphere scenes. Then, when he got teleported back to the past, he could have ran to get Seymour, who would have been waiting. Then get Seymour to follow him up to the cryotubes, then put Seymour into the Cryotube to get frozen with himself! I know it's a pretty stupid cliched idea, but my mind wondered...

[Reply #63 on:]

Wouldn't that ruin the ending of "Jurassic Bark"?

[Reply #64 on:]

 

Originally posted by David A:
Wouldn't that ruin the ending of "Jurassic Bark"?

It's on a different time continuim, so no.

[Reply #65 on:]

But if you go back and watch "Jurassic Bark" again after seeing your version of "The Why of Fry" it would rob the ending of meaning, because you'd know that Fry later goes back in time and saves his puppy.

[Reply #66 on:]

Whichever weird explanation we go with, the stuff future Fry does in 1999 affects the future so freezing Seymour would change the ending of Jurassic Bark and indeed just about every other Futurama episode since he would now have his dog right from the beginning. Plus, he only had a short time to stop Nibbler from pushing him into the tube so there's no way he could get to Panucchi's Pizza and back before getting frozen.

[Reply #67 on:]

Weeeeernstrum! 

*hits David A and Weeeernstrum with a thick plank*

Tell me this, when you watch 'Space Pilot 3000' now, do you see two shadows or one? Unless you've been spice weaseled, you'll still see one. It already happened before 'The Why of Fry', and even though the events of 'The Why of Fry' changed the past, the original past will have always existed on it's own time continuim.

The events that originally happened in 'Space Pilot 3000' and 'Juassic Bark' will always remain the same before the future happening. When things in the future change the past, it creates a new time continuim, but the old one will forever remain. Hence the ending of 'Jurassic Bark' not changing. However, you're getting confused because a new ending will be created, but although it will replace the original ending, the original ending happened before it got replaced, which is when we see it.

[Reply #68 on:]

 

Originally posted by Otis P Jivefunk:
*hits David A and Weeeernstrum with a thick plank*

Oh yeah?

*Hits Otis with a sledgehammer.*

 

Tell me this, when you watch 'Space Pilot 3000' now, do you see two shadows or one? Unless you've been spice weaseled, you'll still see one.

Pffft.  I never even noticed the one shadow to begin with.  I guess I'm not very observant.

 

It already happened before 'The Why of Fry', and even though the events of 'The Why of Fry' changed the past, the original past will have always existed on it's own time continuim.

Then why are there two shadows in the flashback in "Jurassic Bark"?  You can't have it both ways.

 

The events that originally happened in 'Space Pilot 3000' and 'Juassic Bark' will always remain the same before the future happening. When things in the future change the past, it creates a new time continuim, but the old one will forever remain. Hence the ending of 'Jurassic Bark' not changing. However, you're getting confused because a new ending will be created, but although it will replace the original ending, the original ending happened before it got replaced, which is when we see it.

That wasn't what I was talking about.  I meant that it would ruin the emotional impact of the ending, because you'd think, "Hey, no big deal.  Fry gets his dog back in a later episode anyway."

Oh, and it's spelled "continuum" by the way.   

[Reply #69 on:]

About the only thing that we can't dispute that was brought up in The Why of Fry is the reason for the death of the dinosaurs.

[Reply #70 on:]

 

Oh yeah?

*Hits Otis with a sledgehammer.*

Prick, obviously the plank wasn't thick enough...

 

Pffft. I never even noticed the one shadow to begin with. I guess I'm not very observant.

Blind.

 

Then why are there two shadows in the flashback in "Jurassic Bark"? You can't have it both ways.

But thats only after the second time contiuum existed. The original time continuum always existed, Space Pilot 3000 proved it.

 

That wasn't what I was talking about. I meant that it would ruin the emotional impact of the ending, because you'd think, "Hey, no big deal. Fry gets his dog back in a later episode anyway."

It still happened before The Why of Fry, so at the end of Jurassic Bark, you dont know he's gonna get his dog back, so therefore it hasn't ruined the ending.

 

Oh, and it's spelled "continuum" by the way.

Typo,sssss

[Reply #71 on:]

 

Originally posted by Otis:
It still happened before The Why of Fry, so at the end of Jurassic Bark, you dont know he's gonna get his dog back, so therefore it hasn't ruined the ending.

Yes but if you watch it again after seeing your version of "The Why of Fry" you do know that he's gonna get his dog back.

 

Originally posted by Otis:
Typo,sssss

You spelled it "continuim" three times.  You made the exact same typo every time?  Riiiiiight...

[Reply #72 on:]

::Kill-O-Zaps David A and Otis:: Oh, what was that about planks and sledgehammers? Can you two not accept that you have different fundamental views of how the universe works? ONe believes that it's one universe, one timeline and the other is more of the multi-timeline/universe (continuum) type... if I'm correct.

Truth one: There are many (infinite, actually) timelines and universes. I know this for a fact, because I've read THHGTTG
Truth two: If Fry got Seymour back, one way or another, it would spoil subsequent viewings of Jurassic Bark.

And these truths are indisputable... Done!

[EDIT]And I will not succumb to any "STFU and let us beat this dead horse... n00b!!" comments.[/EDIT]

[Reply #73 on:]

 

Originally posted by Tikka Bird:
::Kill-O-Zaps David A and Otis:: Oh, what was that about planks and sledgehammers?

Ow.  Quit it.

 

Can you two not accept that you have different fundamental views of how the universe works? ONe believes that it's one universe, one timeline and the other is more of the multi-timeline/universe (continuum) type... if I'm correct.

I wasn't arguing for or against either of those views.   

 

Truth one: There are many (infinite, actually) timelines and universes. I know this for a fact, because I've read THHGTTG

I never said otherwise.

 

Truth two: If Fry got Seymour back, one way or another, it would spoil subsequent viewings of Jurassic Bark.

I agree.  That was the point that I was trying to make; the only point that I was trying to make.  I wasn't interested in debating the other stuff.

 

And these truths are indisputable... Done!

Shut the...

 

[EDIT]And I will not succumb to any "STFU and let us beat this dead horse... n00b!!" comments.[/EDIT]

Oh, sorry.   

[Reply #74 on:]

Okay, I got something right at least... But if you weren't debating on single/multiple universes/timelines, then what was this
 

Then why are there two shadows in the flashback in "Jurassic Bark"? You can't have it both ways.

[Reply #75 on:]

Its not a matter of beliefs. When you watch Space Pilot 3000 now, you do not see Fry under the desk grabbing Fry falling on the chair. However, in The Why of Fry he did just that. Judging by David A's theory, on subsequent viewings we would see Fry grabbing the chair, like in The Why of Fry.

*Inserts DVD into DVD player*

Watching Space Pilot 3000 now, we dont see Fry's hand grabbing the chair. This proves that future events have not changed the original time continuum. Remarkable...
Applying this rule based on fact to Jurassic Bark, would subsequently mean the original ending would forever remain. The theory being when future events change the past, it doesn't overide the original time continuum, instead it creates a new one. Then when we watch Futurama, we're always watching the original time continuum. Thus the original ending to Jurassic Bark would remain.

Well globviously it wasn't a typo, dont you get get jokes,sssss? 

[Reply #76 on:]

 

Originally posted by Tikka Bird:
Okay, I got something right at least... But if you weren't debating on single/multiple universes/timelines, then what was this
 

Then why are there two shadows in the flashback in "Jurassic Bark"? You can't have it both ways.

Something that I shouldn't have posted, apparently, since it just confused the issue.

I don't care about the whole single/multiple universes/timelines thing, but I see that Otis is still arguing against "David A's theory" whatever he thinks that that is.  Whatever.

The only reason that I mentioned the two shadows in "Jurassic Bark" was because Otis was using the fact that there is only one shadow in the pilot as proof that he was right about something or other.  I'm pretty sure that the real reason that there was only one shadow is that the writers hadn't thought of "The Why of Fry" yet.  Nibbler's shadow is there because they had already decided that Nibbler had caused Fry to be frozen, but they hadn't come up with the rest of it yet.  There are two shadows in "Jurassic Bark" because "The Why of Fry" was already in the works when "Jurrasic Bark" was made.  If J. Michael Straczynski had made Futurama he probably would have gone back and changed "Space Pilot 3000" so that there were two shadows.  He did that sort of thing on Babylon 5 all the time.

Now, maybe I'm wrong and the fact that there is only one shadow in "SP3K" and two in "Jurassic Bark" was planned all along, and proves whatever convoluted theory of time travel Otis is in favor of.  I don't care.

If Fry got Seymour back, it would ruin the ending of "Jurassic Bark" regardless of how it happened.  It wouldn't even have to involve time travel.  What if they made an episode where Fry changed his mind and decided to clone Seymour after all?  (He could if he wanted to.  He still has the fossilized dog.)  It would still ruin the emotional impact of "Jurassic Bark" because the ending would no longer have meaning.

[Reply #77 on:]

[EDIT]This is a reply to Otis' thingy[/EDIT]
Yes, BUT our primitive brains would still just believe that Fry gets Seymour back, no matter if it's an alternate Fry. One gets miserable, the other gets the dog, but to a human mind, it'll just be Fry all the same... (most human minds at least). I am a true believer of alternate universes and that sort of stuff, but it can spoil ANY plot. Whatever you're watching, you'll ask yourself: "Wauw, what'll happen?", but if you apply the theory of alternate universes to everything, you'd answer your question by saying "Anything happens- I don't wanna watch this dungpile of a movie, because in an alternate universe something else will happen in it..." That's not how it works now, is it?
I'm babbling again.

[Reply #78 on:]

*Takes plank back to shop*

Looks like even the thickest planks weren't thick enough, theres no point in wasting anymore of my money on you...

I still stand by what by what I said before, if you dont get it, then thats your problem. The whole point has just become diluted, contradicted and fucked up.

[Reply #79 on:]

Was that for me? I don't think we differ that much. It's just my post above that's a bit inane and babblish... And quite frankly- I'm not that passionate about clubbing this topic to death, after all, it was crafted with wuv by SoopahFry, wasn't it?