HellsCream
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« Reply #360 on: 05-26-2005 15:37 »
« Last Edit on: 05-26-2005 15:37 »
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Well ok ok i should have put it differently... what i meant was that time travel is CURRENTLY impossible and therefore we have no way of knowing its laws so we have no one universal known law for time travel, so the answer to that question would depend on which theory about time travel you use. I still don't think time travel will ever be possible, at least in the form that it is in the movies and such (where people just pick a date and go there) but i guess i can't completely rule out the possibility. I have to admit i didn't perfectly understand that wormhole thing, but if i understood any of it you can't choose to which time you go or anything. the wormhole theory does however fix the problem of the earth's position that is so obvious with the time machine theory, as the wormhole moves (as opposed to time machines which would have to calculate the difference between the earth's position in the current time and the time being traveled to and move you back to earth, otherwise you'd just end up in space where the earth was/will be in the time you're traveling from). hope at least some of it made sense =P ooh my first TOTPD
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Shiny
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Originally posted by Descon: now i say that the two instances of bender will share memories because they are made out of completely identical parts. the true question is, will the parts that are made be a copy of the existing parts....as you can see this creates quite a debate. They are not made of completely identical parts...for one contains information (and all the pathways and effects that information has created in memory storage) that the other does not. In addition, the buried Bender head has been through 1000+ years of wear and tear. The sub-atomic particles Bender's head is made of will have lived & died and changed position, so that (while being indentical enough on a macro-level), they are no more identical than two lab-grown diamonds of the same size and cut. The ones and the zeros in buried-head-Bender have no way to jump across space and suddenly appear in suicide-booth-Bender's head. I'm sure if Young Bender dug up his buried head, he could plug himself into his counterpart and share information, but without a connection of some sort, there's no way we know of for the memories to get from one Bender head to another.
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Descon
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wormholes were invented/concieved by a physicist whom helped with the book that made the movie "contact" while developing a way to travel huge distances in a short time.
so anyways, shiny, you think that there would be two instances of bender that are unrelated. where i think that because they are the same parts from the same metal (etc) that when the new bender is made it would be a copy of the existing one, in order to keep from there being 2 seperate benders.
but again, time travel is a tricky thing, and who knows if it will ever be able to be explained fully. also, hellscream, you are right, you cannot choose when you wish to travel back to, the distance betweent the two ends of the wormhole remains constant. say if they were 10 years apart, in 2000 one would be in 2010, where in 2050, the other would be in 2060. its really a tricky subject
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CombienReaction
Delivery Boy
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« Reply #364 on: 06-05-2005 06:07 »
« Last Edit on: 06-05-2005 06:07 »
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A minor bump, but I'm hoping I can explain this...
In my eyes, time is like a straight line. Forget everything you learnt in "Back To The Future", forget everything you've learnt from "The Terminator" and definetly forget everything that 90's "Lost In Space" movie 'taught' you. There's no alternate realities created by altering the past with the Planet Express crew arriving in the 50's. In 1950, Bender is left behind and is buried in the sand. The Planet Express crew return to 3002 and discover Bender in the ground after over 1000 years. After the 1950 time-hopping, in 1999 Fry (who will later go on to travel back into the 50's) is frozen. During his freezing, in 2996 Bender is made (the same Bender who will travel back to the 50's and be buried), in 2999 Fry meets up with Bender. They have never met before. In 3002, Fry accidentally causes a rip in time and the crew go back to the 1950s. Clearly, this isn't a "one-time" thing, it's always happened. Fry even mentions "that ship that landed in Roswell... was us", demonstrating the fact that Fry had actually heard about what his future crew had done in the past, without actually knowing he was involved. Clearly demonstrating the fact that there are no alternate realities made and there is always one Bender who is active, and both the Benders (the one in the ground and the Bender who will later be buried) are the exact same person. They have the exact same authorisation code, the exact same memories of meeting Fry and the like. 2996-3002 there is two Benders. The one in the sand (who is the future version of the other one) and the one whom Fry will meet up with, and later unearth. My theory doesn't make much sense when you just scan read it, or read it fully for that matter, but I see it in a similar light to how I poorly explained it. The two Benders in 2996-3002 is the hardest part to understand. You've got to take in the fact that the buried Bender, is the eventual version of the other Bender, and that's why when the active Bender goes back to 1950 and is buried, there's not two Benders in the ground...
I really hope that made sense...
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CombienReaction
Delivery Boy
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« Reply #371 on: 06-09-2005 11:13 »
« Last Edit on: 06-09-2005 11:13 »
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No-no-no-no... you completely have misunderstood. Bender was made in 2996, with no memories of anything. He meets Fry three years later and a few years afterwards goes back in time and is left behind. The exact same character is unearthed a few days after he went back in time. It's the exact same Bender, only 1,000 years older.
Yes, at one time there is two Benders, but they both have different "thoughts". Bender who was just made will be completely unaware of his future self being buried.
Bender being buried is sort of like the DeLorean being buried in Back To The Future Part III. No one from 1885-1955 knew about it (and at one instance there was 4 DeLoreans in the same time zone!), and nothing was effected by it's presence. Although, the entire Back To The Future trilogy has a completely different view on time travel, the same "thing" occurs when the same things are in the same time-zone: nothing.
I'll reiterate what I mentioned before, clearly, time is linear in said episode. Fry mentions the Roswell Alien Sighting was them; therefore obviously it has always been like that. And if that UFO crash was always the Planet Express crew, and 90's Fry had always known about it (although, unaware it was him), then he's always been his grandfather; and Bender has always been in the ground.
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Descon
Delivery Boy
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« Reply #372 on: 06-10-2005 16:50 »
« Last Edit on: 06-10-2005 16:50 »
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i guess this boils down to: if i travel back in time, do i become my younger self? or am i the age that i am now, looking at my younger self.
the first one would not work, as of course the characters are going back in time to before they were born. (except for in fry's EXTREMELY odd case)
If you read anything about physics or are at all interested, the idea that both benders share memories comes from the quantum entanglement theory, where two of the exact same atom can exist in two areas at the same time. the frequency at which both atoms are vibrating is the exact same, in bender's case, his head would be "vibrating" in a manner identical to the other instance of his head, actually copying the exact memories and the like into both instances.
i know this doesnt make much sense, but take physics 30 (if your albertan and canadian, i dont know what the american/UK/anywhere else equivilent is)and it should be alittle more clear to you
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CombienReaction
Delivery Boy
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If you travelled back in time, you'd stay the age you are. You'd be able to encounter your past self.
The two Benders wouldn't share thoughts/memories... look at it this way: right now you're reading this post. You're probably thinking "boy, this is complicated, I'm never going to understand this". Tomorrow, you decide to build a time machine and you go back in time to see yourself reading this post. Your past version is unaware of your presence, and he'll still be thinking the same things you thought of the previous day. Now, if you were spying on your past self, you wouldn't be thinking the same thing you thought in that time period, would you? The same thing goes for the Benders.
I understood what you said, perfectly. The thing is I don't think I'm explaining my theory very well. The two Benders don't fuse memories or anything, it's just like they've never went back in time; except that there's an older Bender in the ground...
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JDB
Professor
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In Fry's Opera, The Robot Devil sings to Fry, "Well I don't see any danger, in gambling with a stranger"... But The Robot devil knows Fry, doesn't he?
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Shiny
Professor
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He was throwing his voice!
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gcocca
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Ya I noticed that too, maybe it was removed? Or bender minght have forgot about it, he does have alot of gadgets on him to be thinking about.
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