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I guess that was just neccesairy for the plot, you explanation seems very right tough too.
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« Reply #165 on: 09-05-2013 22:49 »
« Last Edit on: 09-05-2013 23:35 »
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Hmm, it's definitely a goof, it's not even necessary to plot if you ask me. No, wait, this becomes very confusing... Everything reverts back (including the person who pushed the button), except some objects(?) and the inside of time shelter. I guess they didn't think it through. 
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SolidSnake

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No, it's not a goof. Remember, Fry fell for over 10 seconds. And when Leela got it and pressed it, everything goes back to the position that they were in back 10 seconds before. It showed you that in the beginning with the Professor. It was frankly quite well-done and smart.
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SolidSnake

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But the time button was in the time bubble thing so it wouldn't of gone back 10 seconds.
Even though things are inside the bubble, they will still revert 10 seconds.
But (in that case) what doesn't make sense, is that how the 10$ bill and diamonds didn't go back.
The $10 bill was destroyed, or went to the different axis thingy the professor mentioned. Because remember what the Professor said about being in the Time Shelter and not escaping during the time Fry was falling? And the diamonds not going back is a goof. Not a significant goof, but a minor small one.
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SolidSnake

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You know what, I think only the time button and living creatures will swap it's place 10 seconds back, and not any other objects.
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Quantum Neutrino Field

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I think QNF was talking about when Zoidberg handed The Professor the $10 and The Professor kept it with him even though he didn't have it 10 seconds ago.
Yes, exactly. You know what, I think only the time button and living creatures will swap it's place 10 seconds back, and not any other objects.
Clothes, etc.? Well, basically that could be the case, but it doesn't actually make sense.
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DannyJC13

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You know what, I think only the time button and living creatures will swap it's place 10 seconds back, and not any other objects.
I think I'm gonna go with this. Any object will stay with you but the button itself (unless, of course, you were the one holding it 10 seconds ago anyway).
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transgender nerd under canada

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But the time button was in the time bubble thing so it wouldn't of gone back 10 seconds.
Even though things are inside the bubble, they will still revert 10 seconds.
But (in that case) what doesn't make sense, is that how the 10$ bill and diamonds didn't go back.
They travel back ten seconds, but don't revert. They remain in the state that they were in before the button was pressed, since they are in the bubble. The button itself will obviously travel to wherever it was ten seconds ago. Normally this would be in the hand of the person pressing it, but as we see with Fry falling, this might not be the case, and the button goes back to where it was ten seconds ago. The contents of the bubble it creates are not "reverted". Therefore the $10 bill stays in the bubble, as do the diamonds. It isn't a goof. You know what, I think only the time button and living creatures will swap it's place 10 seconds back, and not any other objects.
I think I'm gonna go with this. Any object will stay with you but the button itself (unless, of course, you were the one holding it 10 seconds ago anyway).
Danny has it right. Snakey, not so much.
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« Reply #176 on: 09-06-2013 17:11 »
« Last Edit on: 09-06-2013 17:12 »
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Fry and Bender go back to where they were 10 seconds ago while the diamonds stay with them instead of going back where they were 10 seconds ago. I don't quite follow the logic. They remain in the state that they were in before the button was pressed, since they are in the bubble.
Except for the people, who don't remain in that state, in that position they were?
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Inquisitor Hein
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Fry and Bender go back to where they were 10 seconds ago while the diamonds stay with them instead of going back where they were 10 seconds ago. I don't quite follow the logic.
The diamonds are with Fry and Bender in the bubble, and therefore go back with them.
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DannyJC13

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Fry and Bender go back to where they were 10 seconds ago while the diamonds stay with them instead of going back where they were 10 seconds ago. I don't quite follow the logic.
When Fry and Bender go back to where they were, they aren't "refreshed" like everyone else, they're the present versions, just shifted backwards.
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transgender nerd under canada

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Fry and Bender go back to where they were 10 seconds ago while the diamonds stay with them instead of going back where they were 10 seconds ago. I don't quite follow the logic.
They remain in the state that they were in before the button was pressed, since they are in the bubble.
Except for the people, who don't remain in that state, in that position they were?
As Inquisitor Hein said, the diamonds are in the bubble with Fry and Bender, therefore remain with Fry and Bender when Fry and Bender go back to where they were ten seconds ago. When Leela pushes the button, she goes back to the position she was in ten seconds ago, and so does Fry. Ten seconds ago, Fry was falling (and come to think of it, ten seconds ago Fry had the button, so that clears that up (the button goes back to where it was ten seconds ago, just like the presser does). This means that Fry shouldn't have been in the bubble when Leela pressed it, but we see that he was - I'm calling that as an animation mix-up (and thus a minor goof that's not strictly speaking the fault of the script). If that wasn't an animation mix-up and the episode was scripted with both of them inside the bubble when Leela presses the remote, Fry not being a puddle whilst falling after the first time he strikes the pavement is either a plot hole, or a case of technology operating on the rules of whatever serves the plot best (so it's either a fail or a recognised trope), depending on your perspective. Hopefully the DVD commentary will address this issue. However, I didn't immediately question this whilst watching initially and so am content to chalk it up to the writers invoking Fridge Logic (which they have always relied upon to smooth over the rough edges in the plot or the concepts driving it since the first season).
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It seems that only the ones in the bubble can remember those ten seconds, and fry continues his story with Leela every time she presses the button. So wouldn't he just forget and start over telling everything everytime?
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SolidSnake

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Funny, there's a similar goof in "Time Keeps on Slippin". Remember the scene where the little boys are outside the store complaining about taxes? And then when time skipped they got old and complained about not getting Free Money? Why didn't the main characters in the episode get old as well...? I love both eps the same, actually. But I just wanted to point out that this isn't a out-of-the-ordinary goof. 
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SolidSnake

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I still don't understand exactly how the main characters were lucky enough to avoid such big time-skips though. Everybody else on Earth experienced big ones like that, except for them.
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SolidSnake

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Yup. The Meanwhile goof had the same kind of goof as that, once you think about it. Except this was more of a goof than the TKOS one, since the time aspect was more hit on than in TKOS.
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transgender nerd under canada

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this was more of a goof than the TKOS one
What you've said there would be right, except for three minor details: - Nothing you've mentioned from TKOS was actually a goof.
- Nothing you've mentioned from TKOS was actually a goof.
- Nothing you've mentioned from TKOS was actually a goof.
Whilst this is technically one minor detail repeated three times, it seemed like you'd probably need to have it pointed out three times before you'd take notice of it.
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Tachyon

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Even if a show is doing a fantasy, non-canon ep, it generally works a better if there is internal consistency.
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TheMadCapper

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I don't think that's a goof. I think the lines above his pupils are the top of his eyelids.
A quick google image search will show that this is in fact consistent with the artwork of Scooby Doo. It's not a goof, it's a deliberate imitation of the original show.
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