Cyclical Time (CTSU) vs. Cyclical Universe (LTMU) - Let's Get Ready to Rumbleeeee!

[Reply #120 on:]

I love it when tnuk gets his graph head on.

What's even better is that he's dealing with someone who just skims through Wikipedia in an attempt to pass it off as genuine knowledge in case it comes up on The Weakest Link.  I'm smart like that.    

I have part of a diagram completed, but it's more-or-less just an art upgrade to what's come before. What I really need to do is to tape sheets of paper together, and draw a timeline. It's really difficult to put it together as something you can view on a computer screen when it's something that can fill several pages of A4 when done manually.  Plus, the whole thing would ideally be displayed around the walls of a circular room.

I've said pretty much all there is to say on the issue, in various threads around PEEL. So I'm going to lave off posting the huge-ass diagram I've got in the works until I can be sure of three things:

1. I've got all the relevant bits in there. As svip says, I'm striving to make sense of things, rather than make them scientifically accurate or acceptable. I want to form a model for the timeline in Futurama and the way time travel works, that fits with the show's continuity, canon and internal logic.
2. I've come up with a display format that is both simple to produce and can be easily read and digested by the people looking at it. If it's really complicated, it's not going to be very useful.
3. I've addressed all potential holes in, or issues with, the model.

Once I'm sure of these things, I'll go back to the drawing board and come up with... hopefully a single diagram that fits on a standard computer screen and lays out the Cyclical Time Single Universe model properly.

The Linear Time Multiple Universes model doesn't work, therefore I'm not even going to try representing that graphically. But the CTSU model should be possible to show on a single diagram.

Please can the thread be renamed CTSU vs. LTMU, as the terms CT and CU seemed to be confusing people.

Oh, by the way...

Here's what I have so far.



Seemed a shame to waste it. Click it for bonus content!

[Reply #121 on:]

You have WAY too much free time.
Also, I thought we settled this months ago....

[Reply #122 on:]

Plus, the whole thing would ideally be displayed around the walls of a circular room.

Then construct such a room. Don't settle for mediocrity.

This is a nice depiction. One of the best I've seen, in fact. But you can't merely stop here!

[Reply #123 on:]

You have WAY too much free time.
Also, I thought we settled this months ago....

We're on a Futurama fansite.  We all have too much free time. 

[Reply #124 on:]

I love it when tnuk gets his graph head on.

I agree. I enjoy tnuk's diagrams, and I enjoy when he tries to explain PEEL phenomena with math and/or science.

And, well, the Dr. Who references make this diagram especially awesome.

[Reply #125 on:]

*bump*

So if Fry didn't actually go missing in 2000, and he lived in the past until 2012, wouldn't that fuck up all the episodes in the past like Jurassic Bark and The Luck of the Fryrish? None of them should have happened.

[Reply #126 on:]

Should of happened?  What does that even mean?

[Reply #127 on:]

If Fry had never been frozen on NYE between 1999 and 2000 and had somehow prevented the Nibblonians from freezing him at all to get to the future and save the world, there would have been huge problems with paradoxes.
After all Fry is still his own grandfather and if there was no way for him to go back in time to become his own grandfather he and his family would cease to exist.
Also in the future the Brainspawns would have had an easier way to get their way since there was no Fry to oppose them. Unless the Nibblonians could have made someone else fuck their own grandma somehow.

But IF Fry somehow prevented from being frozen AND IF it hadn't caused any paradoxes then yes, a lot of the events that happened between 2000 as you said 2012 would have played out quite differently.
Seymore would never had been waiting his whole life in front of the pizza shop, but had a great time with Fry (though the whole Lars episode already screwed that part, but would never had happened if Fry never had been frozen).
And yeah, it would have been more than unlikely that Yancy Fry Jr. would have named his son Philip, since Fry would still be there and wasn't missed by his family.


Though that really doesn't have anything to do with the topic at hand, does it?





And yeah, what Svip said, 'OF' IS NOT A VERB!

[Reply #128 on:]

It doesn't cause any problems if you subscribe to the idea of multiple timelines as opposed to simply re-writing the same timeline multiple times.

But more importantly, 'Bender's Big Score' featured time-travel using a "paradox-correcting time-code" which means that no problems like that could exist, anyway.

[Reply #129 on:]

It doesn't cause any problems if you subscribe to the idea of multiple timelines as opposed to simply re-writing the same timeline multiple times.

Yet it's clear that this isn't the way the Futuramaverse works, partially thanks to this:

But more importantly, 'Bender's Big Score' featured time-travel using a "paradox-correcting time-code" which means that no problems like that could exist, anyway.

Multiple timelines would need no paradox correction. Plus, there wouldn't be a jillion Bender's down in the limestone caverns. There would only ever be one at a time, since all the others would have their own timelines.

[Reply #130 on:]

And yeah, it would have been more than unlikely that Yancy Fry Jr.would have named his son Philip, since Fry would still be there and wasn't missed by his family.

It still happened in BBS though. They knew Fry wasn't dead and the child was still named Philip J. Fry.

[Reply #131 on:]

Yes, because BBS screwed with canon more time than a whore screws with customers.