Philip J. Fry, II?

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Ok so in BBS Fry's Brothers, Yancy, son is still called Philip J. Fry, II, who he named after the original Fry because he went missing (frozen), so if the original Fry came back on 1st Jan 2000 BEFORE Yancy had Fry II, why did he name him after Fry in that timeline when he never actually fell into the cryo-tube? 

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Thought about this too. Paradox.

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You'd expect him to name him after himself, as Yancy was named after his and Fry's dad, Yancy Fry Sr. So it's be

Yancy Fry Sr.
Yancy Fry Jr.
Yancy Fry Jr Jr.

in the current un-frozen Fry timeline. 

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Yes, this makes sense. Also thought about a whole new name, but it wouldn't go with the Fry family's naming-tradition.

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When did Yancy have his kid? Maybe he had the kid after Fry's duplicate died? That would seem reaosnable because he wasn't that old, he would have died in his thirties.

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That's a very good point, Randi!
Now I think Yancy (bro) hasn't seen Fry for longer than Fry Jr. was born. That'd be a reason for naming him after Fry because he's missing Fry already at that point. To mamke it clear:
Fry left to Antarctic (or Arctic?) in 2000 and didn't come back until 2012
Fry Jr. is 7 years old in 2012 so he was born in 2004 or 2005
In 2012 Bender found Fry Jr. and Fry has come back to NY, but Yancy Jr. and Fry Jr. never come to see him because he went first to his appartment at Panucci's, was shot up there by Bender and then went directly to the Cyrogenics. Right?

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Why the face of dissaproval? =/

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I said something, and realized I was way off when i posted it... and i forgot what my original point was when I went to edit it...  

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Rofl. It'll come back to you. Hopefully. 

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I think Yancy probably had his kid like maybe five years after Fry was frozen. 

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But in the BBS 2012 Timeline he wasn't. Well he was, but only himself and Bender knew that.

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When did Yancy have his kid? Maybe he had the kid after Fry's duplicate died? That would seem reaosnable because he wasn't that old, he would have died in his thirties.

I don't think my reason still makes sense after watching BBS, which I'm doing right now. When Bender approaches his nephew and pulls out the gun he says, "You want Uncle Phil! He's at the North Pole"

So I don't know now...

Also I'm confused why in the cryogenics lab there were three Frys when he went back an hour to get hot pizza, but then we only hear about two from then on. So the third (original) frozen Fry is who, the doomed paradox one since he went back in time? Why would he be doomed if he was the original? Oh I am so confused...

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When did Yancy have his kid? Maybe he had the kid after Fry's duplicate died? That would seem reaosnable because he wasn't that old, he would have died in his thirties.

I don't think my reason still makes sense after watching BBS, which I'm doing right now. When Bender approaches his nephew and pulls out the gun he says, "You want Uncle Phil! He's at the North Pole"

So I don't know now...

Also I'm confused why in the cryogenics lab there were three Frys when he went back an hour to get hot pizza, but then we only hear about two from then on. So the third (original) frozen Fry is who, the doomed paradox one since he went back in time? Why would he be doomed if he was the original? Oh I am so confused...

Yancy got married a few years after Fry disappeared. So probably had his baby a few years after that.. And I think we came to the conclusion a long time ago that he just liked the name Phillip. Because in BBS, Fry essentially never left.


No, the original's aren't doomed. Only the ones that are created by going back in time the 'copy' is doomed. The original in that scene is the one that went back to get pizza. He's the one that ends up back in the tube after trying to get cash out of his wallet and thawing out in 3007. The first one in the tube is the Fry from the Pilot who was unfrozen in 2999. The other one, pushing Bender into the tube is Lars. <-----He's the doomed one.

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*Double Posting*

Okay, I see what you're saying now.
The Original Fry is the one that gets Pizza. All the other ones are Copies. Yes, the Fry that was frozen in that tube during the scene was the first one, but every time you go back in time, you're creating something new. Any other you at that point in time is now a copy. Because the 'original' is the one that always keeps traveling. He is the only not doomed one.
But then that brings another question; why were all the Bender copies at the end of BBS doomed?   Cause they started exploding and everything before the universe tore apart.
Hmm...I guess the Fry in the tube during that Pizza scene was doomed in the sense that he will eventually become Lars..?

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But then that brings another question; why were all the Bender copies at the end of BBS doomed?  Cause they started exploding and everything before the universe tore apart.
Hmm...I guess the Fry in the tube during that Pizza scene was doomed in the sense that he will eventually become Lars..?

Yes that's exactly what I thought, I'm glad you were able to understand what I meant. I came to the same conclusion that Original Fry must have turned into Lars, otherwise what happens to the whereabouts of him when FutureFry (the one who wants warm pizza) unfreezes almost eight years later? Why isn't FutureFry the doomed one instead then? Is it because he is the one traveling, in effect making the original frozen Fry a duplicate who changes into Lars?

ow my head

Also, don't worry about double posting. How do you think I got 200 posts last week...casually do it under the radar
Haha but really I can't edit a post with a nerw quote on the phone, so it's just easier to post again.

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haha yeah, queen of double postings!!!

"Why isn't FutureFry the doomed one instead then? Is it because he is the one traveling, in effect making the original frozen Fry a duplicate who changes into Lars?"

YES. You just answered your own question. lol
PS I can't quote on my phone...

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I can quote, but if I am quoting multiple people I have to do it all at once. I can't edit it and add quotes.

Well I guess that's one paradox solved, thanks leia

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Also I'm confused why in the cryogenics lab there were three Frys when he went back an hour to get hot pizza, but then we only hear about two from then on. So the third (original) frozen Fry is who, the doomed paradox one since he went back in time? Why would he be doomed if he was the original? Oh I am so confused...

I made a thread about that like when I first started on PEEL.

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What thread haven't you made lol

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Indeed.

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It was a paradox-correcting time-code.

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It was a paradox-correcting time-code.

But that doesn't change anything about the goof in my original post... I don't think...

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The paradox-correcting time-code made it so that although you could briefly alter the events of the past, they would somehow revert back to the way they were afterwards...

For example, Bender steals the Mona Lisa when it's not even finished and brings it to the future. Without a paradox-correcting time-code, it would be worthless because nobody would know what it was. It wouldn't have cultural significance. Thanks to the paradox-correcting time-code, things had happened as they always had done in spite of Bender's actions.


It's not a case of multiple timelines as proven with Bender from way at the end appearing towards the start... as far as Bender's Big Score is concerned, it's one timeline and said timeline is sort of rewritten a few times. Basically the paradox-correcting time-code makes no sense scientifically, but is a very clever tool created by the writers to get themselves out of any sorts of logical holes or continuity errors such as the one you mentioned.