Sewer or Old New York?

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In some episodes the sewers are right below the surface but in others it is Old New York that is below the surface. What order are they? Discuss

[#1 :]

Acording with the long falling that fry suffers in "The luck of the Fryrish", I have to say the sewers are under the old NY.

[#2 :]

Besides, in "I Second That Emotion" when our heroes wants to return to the surface, Fry says they're at least 1 mile underground. The ladder they crawled on in "Space Pilot 3000" doesn't seem to be more than a few hundred yards, tops.

[#3 :]

They must be at least a hundred feet underground. I mean, sometimes you see 10 or 20-story buildings in the ruins. New NY is right at sea level, so I guess the old NY caved in somehow.

[#4 :]

 

Originally posted by Just Chris:New NY is right at sea level, so I guess the old NY caved in somehow.

It's probably at a simulr level but global warming caused the ice to melt and the sea level rose a bit. For anyone who is about to qoute "Xmas Story" where appartently "a nuclear winter cancelled it out" just remember that a season 4 episode will be based on a global warming crisis.

As for wondering wether the sewer mutants are above or below Old New York I would say above. In "Xmas Story" we see one of the mutants at the side of the road just under the path where the drain is. Also in "Luck Of The Fryrish" when they go down to Old New York the hole which they use to get there seemes awfuly long suggesting that they went through the sewer level before getting to Old New York.

[#5 :]

But in "Luck of the Fryish":
Leela:...And yet you never had a single nuclear war.
Bender: What a waste.

Now that makes it all a little more confusing. I guess the nuclear winter was caused by a bomb test gone awry. Or maybe they intended to drop nukes in various places to cancel out the global warming.

[#6 :]

maybe there was a nuclear war after (2100-2200)

or maybe the aliens that destroyed the earth used nuclear based laser rays....

[#7 :]

 

Originally posted by Just Chris:
But in "Luck of the Fryish":
Leela:...And yet you never had a single nuclear war.
Bender: What a waste.

When Leela said that, she meant Fry's generation. So there still could have been a nuclear war, just not until after Fry's father died.

[#8 :]

Don't they go down the same manhole in luck of the fryish as they go down in leela's homeworld? (general area, as the ground collapses).

Why was there a ceiling after the ground collapsed?  The room in leela's homeworld they are in is directly under where bender dumped all the waste (the truck falls in, and it is seen sinking in the waste lake).  Maybe a river of waste?

Old New York has a pretty large area, and is several thousand feet from floor to roof.  The sewers might actually be above old new york, if given about 200 feet between surface and old new york.  But, there are plenty of contradictions, so it is probably just an error.

[#9 :]

What about that mutant that was encountered in "Luck of the Fryish" who seemed to be living in the sewers of Old New York?

[#10 :]

Maybe there are two sewers, the original one below Old New York and a newer one sandwiched between New New York and Old New York.

[#11 :]

ok, there's the sewers below OLD NEW YORK that were the original sewers..THEN they built over OLD NEW YORK (which is why there is a ceiling, McGrady) and used OLD NEW YORK as NEW NEW YORK's sewers, that's why we see all that green shit down there, its crapola. <--my theory.

[#12 :]

I think that Old New York is the sewers for the most part. And the "sub-sewer" they referred to in I Second That Emotion was old new york's sewers.
<-- MY theory

[#13 :]

^ theory = <-- theory

[#14 :]

^ mom = extremely attractive.
Naw I'm just jokin'. You're alright.
I failed to read your post.

[#15 :]

I thought Old New York WAS the sewer?

[#16 :]

no the one and only sewer is the old new york sewer system. Behold the oni theory

[#17 :]

Yea, the problem with that is that quite often you see the sewer through the grates, if it is the Old New York system that would mean that you would have pipes then the sewer.

[#18 :]

Not that it's a big deal because I pay attention to other parts of the show, but I go with the 2 sewer theory:

[] &#0124; &#0124; &#0124; &#0124;| [][]    <--- New New York
-----------    <--- Old New York Ceiling
======     <--- New New York Sewers
#==~_{}    <--- Old New York
======     <--- Old New York Sewers

I grabbed a couple of frames from "Luck of the Fryrish" that seem to support this. The pipes you see on the ceiling could be the NNY sewer pipes, which explains how you can see into them from above.

[#19 :]

Ok, it's just that the sewers and ONY look alot alike sometimes

[#20 :]

...Can't it just be sewer in some places, Old New York in others?

[#21 :]

I suppose, but I don't know

[#22 :]

I think New New York is twice as big as Old New York, so half of the sewer could be Old New York, and the other half is the sewer world where the mutants live.

[#23 :]

I always figured that the sewers and "The decaying ruins of Old New York" were one in the same...

Silly me. 

[#24 :]

I believe cellery's theory.

[#25 :]

 

Originally posted by Otis P Jivefunk:
Maybe there are two sewers, the original one below Old New York and a newer one sandwiched between New New York and Old New York.

How about this:

- New New York
- New New York's sewers - Home of the mutants
- Old New York
- Old NY's Sewers, aka the sub-sewers - home of the sub-mutants (it's rumored).

[#26 :]

well, cellery and jasonlevine both have a very good theory....

i'm so confused...        

[#27 :]

 

Originally posted by jasonlevine:
 How about this:

- New New York
- New New York's sewers - Home of the mutants
- Old New York
- Old NY's Sewers, aka the sub-sewers - home of the sub-mutants (it's rumored).

Exactly, that's what I was sort of thinking of too, and it's the most logical answer. You have a great way of explaining things jasonlevine

[#28 :]

 

Originally posted by Otis P Jivefunk:You have a great way of explaining things jasonlevine 

Thanks.     (And please, call me Jason.)

[#29 :]

 

Originally posted by jasonlevine:
How about this:
- New New York
- New New York's sewers - Home of the mutants
- Old New York
- Old NY's Sewers, aka the sub-sewers - home of the sub-mutants (it's rumored).

But then why did a mutant talk to Fry in the sewers of Old New York in "Luck of the Fryish"?  Is he a submutant?

[#30 :]

I think a titanic geological event folded New York into a Surface New New York and Underground Old New York...Just like closing an open book...Sort of?

[#31 :]

 

Originally posted by B.Frankendorfer:
 But then why did a mutant talk to Fry in the sewers of Old New York in "Luck of the Fryish"?  Is he a submutant?

He very well could be.  After all, he's been there for over a thousand years (he mutated from Fry's neighbor)

[#32 :]

This is true...

[#33 :]

Think about this: In "XMAS Story," you see the mutant from "I Second that Emotion" pop out of a sewer grate from below NEW New York. How do you explain this? Do they go to Old New York for the holidays or something? Maybe. They said in "I Second that Emotion" that their religion WAS an Easter/Christmas thing. And they said "CHRISTmas," not "Xmas."

[#34 :]

Well... I think that they are both on the same level. Over the course of 1000 years, New York could have expanded, being such a huge city, and old Old New York could be under the old parts, while the sewers are under the new parts.

Another thing is you really only see that one part of the "sewer town", then it turns into pipes. What if there are pipes on the ceiling/top of Old New York that cary the sewage from buildings in New New York to the main part of the sewer and that sewage lake. I could make a drawing to show what I mean, if what I said makes no sense.

[#35 :]

here it is

[#36 :]

Dude, you just bumped a three year old thread for nothing. You're not supposeed to bump threads like this unless you have something the least bit useful, which you don't.

[#37 :]

i need to no which is which