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Schwestar Kaffee
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The "eyeball/brain-monster" is not from Doom. It's a "Beholder" from Dungeons & Dragons. :P
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plank
Delivery Boy
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But, youre right. Its a beholder. Here's a pic for reference <IMG SRC=" http://www.wizards.com/3e/images/3E_Beholder_Sketch.jpg" border=0> I think the problem is that many game-programmers (John Carmack, Richard Garriot) probably played Dungeons&Dragons, and thats why the cacodemon and the gazer appear in those games. Then again, it could probably be said that the creators of Dungeons&Dragons drew inspiration from writers like Tolkien, Lovecraft and mythology while designing creatures for d&d.
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Carsti
Crustacean
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... with all those game references, shmaybe sooner or later there will be a Dopefish around? Carsten
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Scythemantis
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« Reply #13 on: 03-12-2003 17:26 »
« Last Edit on: 03-12-2003 17:26 »
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I think this is an old thread (bumping an old topic...ooh...not good for my first post!) But I just have to clear this up: The Beholder WAS invented by Gary Gygax for "dungeons and dragons" almost thirty years ago. The gazers from ultima, and all similar looking creatures are "inspired by" his beholder and I know absolutely for certain that there is -nothing- in actual mythology even remotely similar. Believe me, I've spent my entire life being a monster geek. I would know if there were any ancient legends of giant floating eyeball creatures. Totally identical monsters actually appear in games entirely *because* the creators think the critter is mythological and "up for grabs" when it really is an original trademarked character. TSR (the game's publishers) have in fact sued a few other games for using them, but it's become so common that they no longer care. (Note that despite semi-common belief, 30 years is not long enough for something to become "public domain". It's actually 60 years) As for the origins of the one in futurama, it is absolutely the original D&D version. Matt Groening was a a huge D&D player in college and has referenced it in the simpsons and life in hell numerous times. The beholder's every last detail in that episode, right down to the pattern of its scales, is straight from the first edition "monster manual" (which I own, even though I'm not a D&D player! Shows what a nut I am for monsters) There was another AD&D monster in an episode as well, which was also dead-on accurate and appeared only as one of the pets in the veterinarian's waiting room in the episode (forget the title...gah) where bender flushes nibbler. It was a "Rust Monster", a metal eating cricket/armadillo like creature, and was even drawn in the same exact pose as its old monster manual illustration.
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Teral
Helpy McHelphelp
DOOP Secretary
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Welcome to PEEL, Scythemantis. Enjoy it here. Originally posted by Scythemantis: As for the origins of the one in futurama, it is absolutely the original D&D version. Matt Groening was a a huge D&D player in college and has referenced it in the simpsons and life in hell numerous times. Don't know if you're American or European, so I'll put this in spoilers. In fact the entire team behind Futurama are D&D fanatics. In the audio commentaries they joke about how they play D&D games, espicially Matt, David and the writers are obsesed with it. Even John DiMaggio (former cool guy) was in on it.
About the beholder in HHRHGB they say:
Some writer: "Very much Dungeons & Dragons." John: "A beholder." David: "Like it, but not legally like it."
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Action Jacktion
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« Reply #16 on: 03-14-2003 12:03 »
« Last Edit on: 03-14-2003 12:03 »
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Originally posted by Scythemantis: Only barely still on-topic but there was also an H.P. Lovecraft character on the show. In "A bicyclops built for two", one of the alien wives is a member of the Great Race of Yith It's true! I haven't seen that episode, but I checked some screen captures, and that's definitely one of the Great Race. Check it out: www.gotfuturama.com/Multimedia/FrameGrabs/2ACV09/Grabs/pic00629.jpg www.gotfuturama.com/Multimedia/FrameGrabs/2ACV09/Grabs/pic00620.jpg They appeared in Lovecraft's story "The Shadow Out of Time." I haven't seen any other references to Lovecraft in Futurama. Someone said that the octopus in "Leela's Homeworld" looks like Cthulhu, but I think it's just an octopus. Futurama never did an episode about awakening elder gods, did it? That would have been neat. I don't know how to get this back on the subject of video games, though one time Leela mentions Tetris.
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Teral
Helpy McHelphelp
DOOP Secretary
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It's a mix, I think.
we've got Sonic moments with the rolling and platforms, we see Donkey Kong, and the rest is just a parody on generic FPS.
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en0mis
Delivery Boy
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Hmm, I thought the rolling about in "Bicyclops Built for Two" resembled Metroid. Ah well, I haven't seen that episode for awhile. Heh, I can't wait to see AOI II this week on Cartoon Network... the whole video game part seems hilarious.
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