Techno? Heck...YES!

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I don't like much techno at all.  I remember liking Daft Punk's "Around the World" and Strong Bad's techno, but that's pretty much it.

The system is down.

[Reply #41 on:]

Anyone heard The Sabres Of Paradise?

I've got Daft Punk's "Discovery", mainly because I liked the Anime Videos for the four singles off there.  The rest of the album is pretty good.  I have Massive Attack's "Mezzanine" too.

@GM: Matrix Revolutions has some collaborations between Juno Reactor and the movie's composer.  Juno Reactor are pretty damn good.  I recommend the track I quoted on the previous page "High Energy Protons" by them.

One other thing, if anyone who's got the Matrix Revisited DVD (ie: the second disk off the Matrix DVD set), one of the easter eggs on there is 40 tracks of techno music, which is pretty damn good.

[Reply #42 on:]

Rippable?

I never knew about that easter egg, it wasn't mentioned on that eggs site I went to a while ago.
How does one access these phat choons?

[Reply #43 on:]

With a phat choon ekstrakta?

[Reply #44 on:]

Bah, why am I asking anyway, my DVD drive is bonered.

[Reply #45 on:]

 

Originally posted by ~FazeShift~:
Rippable?

I never knew about that easter egg, it wasn't mentioned on that eggs site I went to a while ago.
How does one access these phat choons?

Taken from a DVD Eggs site:

There is also a 41 track jukebox which is accessible on the disc - these are all full songs and add around three hours of listening to the disc! Simply select Languages from the Main Menu and then press Left on your remote control. This will reveal a phone - pressing Enter will give access to the many songs.

I've listened to these and they're wicked.

[Reply #46 on:]

i hate techno with passion. some eletronic music is good, however this music is not classified as techno.
techno sucks as such already, and as a drummer i also have to add my share of dislike for music which doesn't use a real drumkit but a drumcomputer.

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What if real drums were played, and then sequenced into it?

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Originally posted by Otis P Jivefunk:
What if real drums were played, and then sequenced into it?

that's only marginally better, if at all. plus it doesn't change the fact that the music as such just sucks. 

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well its not all I listen too but most of my music is Techno
 

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Originally posted by Melllvar:
Anyone heard The Sabres Of Paradise?

 Yeah, but Two Lone Swordsmen are better. Both Andy Weatherall.

[Reply #51 on:]

 

Originally posted by Melllvar:
@GM: Matrix Revolutions has some collaborations between Juno Reactor and the movie's composer. Juno Reactor are pretty damn good. I recommend the track I quoted on the previous page "High Energy Protons" by them.

Yeah I actually downloaded that song and I really like it. I also downloaded a couple of others by Fluke as well and one more by Juno Reactor. Its good stuff, I really like it 

[Reply #52 on:]

I can only enjoy techno when I'm extremely drunk and that my standards of music and women has reached rock bottom...

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Originally posted by ghoulishmoose:
 Yeah I actually downloaded that song and I really like it. I also downloaded a couple of others by Fluke as well and one more by Juno Reactor. Its good stuff, I really like it   

If you can find it, Fluke's album, "Risotto" is excellent.  I've seen Fluke twice live, and both times they've been really good too.

[Reply #54 on:]

All this talk of "Fluke" is confusing me. The only Fluke I've ever heard was a folk band who played at Henley festival last year, and they were mighty good too, and ever since then I've wanted to take up playing the bodram, an Irish percussive instrument.

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Yeah, that's them. 

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I don't really like techno, but if I find some really good stuff, I'd listen to it. So I'm not saying "All techno music is crap".   

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Originally posted by Otis P Jivefunk:
What if real drums were played, and then sequenced into it?

That's the point of sequencing drums in techno music. You can create rhythms that are impossible or very hard to do with a solo drum player. How would one be able to constanly produce snare rushes? And then they would have to toss in effects, like flanging and notching off certain frequencies.

[Reply #58 on:]

Two words for ya. "Aphex" "Twin." And you say techno is bad...

[Reply #59 on:]

His stuff isn't strictly techno...

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Yeah, that's the problem. What's the difference between "techno," "electronica," "trance," etc? It's too hard to draw lines between the computer generated/enhanced music. It's all just relative terms, anyway.

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Fucking hell, you lot don't know shit

Listen too Jeff mills , Adam beyer, DJ Rush, Carl cox (and not his house sets please) 
Derrick May , Dave clark, Umek, etc etc etc....

Bollox with "Fragma" or Faithless, i mean, Faithless had one hit, insomnia, all the rest are varations on that theme, Fragma suck huge amounts of monkey dick, all they did was take an ok euro/club trance track and stuck some fat bitch singing on it.
Techno rocks, but only if you understand it and what it means, it was never meant to sound warm and friendly.

Old topic i know but i mix and buy this shit, and to hear opinions which is based on dave pearces playlist is a joke!  And with any luck it wont enter the charts cos vocal techno is shit.
But some have, check out Born slippy or DJ's Misjah's Access. Still not quite pop is it? (Born slippys thundering beat is what its all about!!

I should read some more of the thread before i post init but my opinion still stands.

Who needs real drums when you are limited to what you can do eh?  innovation mate

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Originally posted by nerdlingus:
Who needs real drums when you are limited to what you can do eh?  innovation mate

so it's innovation to use the same loop over and over again?
face it: even though it is technically possible, no dj ever creates complicated drum patterns. it would require excessive amounts of sampling, there would be no loops. in fact, he'ld most likely have to record everything anyway. what i'm talking about are constant rhythm changes, sudden stops in the middle of the beat, changing of speed, that kinda stuff. also, it's damn hard to program in stuff such as drumstick technique, which you can hear though.
but then again, most electronic music should be danceable and what i described would probably allow moshing or spastic movements.

the only thing that computers can do better than the average drummer is being extremely fast. so fast that it sounds sucky.

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Nah mate, programming rhythm changes aint to hard, and all Dj's, producers alike create complex drum patterns, excessive sampling is all part of the fun, in fact its a standard to sample loads hence the sample cd market.

But yeah, 10 years ago, it was innovative, but is just another way of doing it now i guess.

Anyway Drums through a compressor sound alot phatter then any drumset i've heard before.
With a sampler or computer (reason anyone?) and a few midi tricks you can program anything. Also most drum tracks in chart music is programmed anyway and subtle deveations in sound or attack is easily done, its where to put it that gets hard!   But atleast you dont have to think about being in time for the most part.       

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i don't like effects on drums too much. but then again, i'm not a fan of bass-heavy music, i'ld rather have noise.

as for the rhythm patterns: the problem is, you rarely hear it. there might be subtle changes, but that's not what i'm talking about. i'm talking about music that's on the verge of being unlistenable, that makes you go "what the fuck are they thinking now?".
there's electronic music like that too, but it isn't classified as techno then.

oh yeah, interestingly enough, many bands who actually play electronic music still use a real drumkit. even on stage. and it sounds a lot better too.

also another thing: programming and sampling is a lot easier than actually playing drums and i just find it very annoying that every dumb fuck who has absolutely no idea how to play even one real instrument can make "music" just by pushing buttons. yes, scooter, i'm looking at you here.

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Dont confuse me with scooter man, i take extreme offence to that! 

You like noise then, cool, any examples?  Would like to hear.
Sampling - tedious and boring sometimes as to just hitting buttons, why dont you give it a shot, setup your drummaps via midi, load them into your sequencer then try and make a beat, it took me years to get any good out patterns also when you have made your pattern you can change the drumhits and create totally different sections in just a few clicks, its good stuff man, dont knock it till you tryed it, dont get me wrong,i've had a few go's at drumming but found it well hard!  but its still taken a few years to produce anything decent with a PC.

Anyways have you heard any Gabba by the way? Try it, can be bass heavy but the speeds are ridiculess, no time for rhythms in that, i cant stand it cos its exactly what you said you like - noise. 

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i know that sampling isn't easy, whether you're sampling music or rhythm-parts. however, it seemed easier to me than actual drumming. i know that sitting in front of a computer and expecting the whole thing to work out perfectly within a week is wrong. i just think you'll get good results faster than with actual drumming.

i also think that many of the stuff you mentioned isn't really techno. i was having a go at techno here, not at electronic music in general. as said before, i like some electronic music, an example would be berg sans nipple.

i like noisy music, it doesn't have to best. i like it more when it's complex.
examples with a short description:
north of america - download the songs fuck (repeating) and xrxxrxrx. that's math/noise-core.
the flying luttenbachers - avantgarde jazz. or something like that.
ruins - i have no idea how to classify it. two weird guys from japan armed with a drumkit and a bass.
the cancer conspiracy - instrumental hardcore-ish stuff.
mohinder - spastic hardcore. not exactly complex but ... well, spastic.
arab on radar - the masters of really fucking annoying stuff. noise.
lightning bolt - similar to ruins both band-wise (two guys, bass and drums) but harder and more straight.

and also, since i mentioned them: berg sans nipple. they're not as noisy though. 

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you saying jeff mills isnt really techno? Detroit man, thats (almost) where it started. 

cheers for links man will have a listen when i finish work

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Originally posted by nerdlingus:
Dont confuse me with scooter man, i take extreme offence to that! 

 

Haha, everybody hates Scooter.

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'Fraid most of my experience with techno comes from the WipEout games. Worked very well when I was playing the game... didn't touch it otherwise.

Scooter? eeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwww.

Oh yes, someone mentioned Kraftwerk! Is that truly techno? (I am something of a musical neophyte). Whatever it is, the electronic yodelling cracks me up.

I'm laughing with them... right?

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By using samplers, drum machines, sampling drum machines, fx units you can create stuff impossible to play with a drum kit.  You can totally create the drummers live feel within a sequencer easily, ever heard of velocity and off setting your notes by a few milli seconds? controllers and event lists within the sequencer?  There are so many tricks to programming beats and it is far from easy to create an original loop.  With a drumkit, instantly you can just sit there and bang out a beat and it will sound good, however with samples you have to choose and prepare each sound, re sampling etc and takes hours and hours to create a cool fresh original loop.  I could sample each sound of your drum kit and re create anything you could play including the "live feel" and with those samples i could create a very "busy" percussion loop that would be physically impossible to play with your hands/drumsticks.  Go listen to hi hat sections of a skippy house / garage / techno track and then tell me you could do that with your drum sticks!
With my equipment and knowledge, i could take a 1 bar loop and just by using effects and recycle i could make it totally un-recognizable and have a new loop !
Sorry but peep who say using samples is easy annoys me cos its not! Yea its easy to go buy a sample cd and just use the loops supplied but to create original loops with lots of samples requires lots of skill and time.  Take a look at rolands v-drums, a sample based drumkit with sticks- awesome !
Yea dance music is repetative but thats what its about, and if its so shit why is it so popular and why are people making lots of £ from it?

[Reply #71 on:]

 

Originally posted by jammer:
With a drumkit, instantly you can just sit there and bang out a beat and it will sound good, however with samples you have to choose and prepare each sound, re sampling etc and takes hours and hours to create a cool fresh original loop.

so, what you're saying is this: if you play really easy stuff on a drumkit that you'll learn within the first few weeks of your drumming lesson it sounds good (it does not, but that's not the point) but if you try to do something complicated with samples you have to have to have the experience and the knowledge to pull it off? wow, now there's a good argument.
here's something: go sit down on a drumkit and play the stuff the drummer of, say, the mars volta or dillinger escape plan plays. it should be easy, according to your theory.

 

Go listen to hi hat sections of a skippy house / garage / techno track and then tell me you could do that with your drum sticks!

actually, about anything that can be done with samples can also be done with a drumkit, unless the samples consist of more instruments played at the same time than one human can possibly play. then you need two drummers with two kits, which makes the whole thing a bit more complicated, but it's certainly possible. if you don't believe me, go check out do make say think live.
however, i gotta agree with that, computers can do complicated things faster just by speeding it up. but speeding things up doesn't depend on being a very skillful dj.

 

Sorry but peep who say using samples is easy annoys me cos its not! Yea its easy to go buy a sample cd and just use the loops supplied but to create original loops with lots of samples requires lots of skill and time.  Take a look at rolands v-drums, a sample based drumkit with sticks- awesome !

i never said it was easy, i'm just saying that it's easier to create good samples than to be a good drummer.

 

Yea dance music is repetative but thats what its about, and if its so shit why is it so popular and why are people making lots of £ from it?

dance music is repetitive, that's exactly my point. i hate repetitive music. i hate music you can easily dance to. music should be mentally demanding, if music's so complex that it gives you a headache or at least breaks your concentration if you try to listen to it as background music, it's good.+
and many musicians who make electronic music share this point of view, as their music is not repetitive and easy to listen to.
as for the argument "many people like it, it must be good" let me give you these two examples: millions of flies eat shit. however, that doesn't mean eating shit is good.
and millions of germans thought the nazis were right with everything they did. turns out this wasn't exactly the case.
also, following this logic, i assume you're a huge fan of britney spears.

[Reply #72 on:]

Spiff, you loser!  Lot's of cool people like techno and it is fun to dance too.  You get to take ecstacy and get laid if you go to a techno show.  You are just not cool.

[Reply #73 on:]

some techno is good. i have few songs and they're nice as a background music. it's not my favorite genre though.

[Reply #74 on:]

It's good wanking music. But I don't listen to it....or wank.

[Reply #75 on:]

Rap will prove to us that no matter how shitty a genre is, if it's done well it could be good.

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As far as I understand about electronic drumming, the basis is something you can dance to (usually a bass drum on the beat) with some flashy hi-hat and snare played over the top. What I hear anyway (and bear in mind my experience of techno is listening to Kiss 100 at work) could be created by an experienced drummer so long as it didn't involve playing more than two instruments at the same time.

Live drumming (if done by some experienced) has more groovy feel to it (as it's not programmed) and can easily be danced to aswell. However you can break into all kinds of fills and half times which would bewilder anyone listening. While I don't doubt that electronic music could do that, they don't very often.

But the best thing about dance music is that its roots are firmly set in disco. Listen to any trance record and compare it to disco and you'll find it's the same beats and grooves just sped up 50%.

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Originally posted by nerdlingus:
Fucking hell, you lot don't know shit

You know "shit"? Good for you...

[Reply #78 on:]

Moby - I'm Feelin So Real is awesome.
One of the most tripped out tunes I've heard.

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It is very very rare that I will like a techno track.

The majority of techno is talentless crap. There is some interesting stuff but most of it is heavy drums and bass and not much else. I just need more layers in my music.