wĭʹkēpē'lēə : self-indulgence wikified

[Reply #680 on:]

On second thought, I like Amy's idea better. It looks clean and requires intelligence to understand.

TOTPB!

[Reply #681 on:]

I think it's cool that you made a template.  Most of the pages that get blanked get their content brought back sometime later; it's usually a case of someone going through their own little thing for awhile and they just needed to let off steam.

[Reply #682 on:]

Xanfor and Winna,

I think what was done to my page works out because you don't lose all the links that may be time consuming to add back if the person ever changes their mind, and they are still in the emperor chain.

[Reply #683 on:]

I respect that, it makes sense.

[Reply #684 on:]

The unedited version is never lost; just go back in the history log to find it if you ever choose to revert it. I think a combination of the two ideas make the most sense: leave it as bare as Amy's is, but still use the template. The template would detract people from trying to edit it "up to Wiki par".

[Reply #685 on:]

I was going to say what i_c_weiner said.... plus with Xanfor's template, you don't have to lock the page unless it gets out of hand.  People know not to mess with it while the template is there, but it allows the individual whose page it is to edit it again when/if they change their mind.

[Reply #686 on:]

I kinda never voiced my thoughts on wikipeelia as it's not mine and I did not want to create work for Spiff. But as he might be passing it on, here goes.

I'm planning on putting a prominent button for wikipeelia on PEEL 2.0 and give it a tag and subdomain redirect, but only if wikipeelia does not deviate too much from PEEL's ideals and rules (let's call it PEELgeist as it's not a fixed set of rules).

I think we need a few features and near consensus on a few things. My suggestions would be:

Rules I'd like to see:
• Everyone should able to say "This does not go on the page about me because I don't want it to be there". It should overrule what Superusers/wikimods think should go on someones page and extend to the right to have references to oneself removed from other pages of the wiki.
• Every Superuser/wikimod should be able to say "this does not go on your page because it is not in line with the wiki rules/peelgeist."
• Everyone should be able to have the page about themselves be locked until they decide otherwise.
Features: I'm not media-wiki experienced, so maybe these features already exist, are close to impossible to implement, or already are in place.
• If a page is locked, the previous versions should not be accessible but for the superusers.
• I'd really like to see something like "page owners", which would be the person who creates a page and for personal pages, the person described on the page (if they have a wiki account). The owner of a page should be able to say "this user will not be able to change my page anymore".
One thing I'm unsure how to handle: I don't like how problems in one of PEEL/wikipeelia spill over to the other. Especially with someone being banned on one and then having extra incentive to be troublesome on the other. I'm not willing to import ban decisions from the wiki. The wiki owner might not be willing to import banning decisions from here. So, not sure what to do. For now I'll say: "If you were banned on the wiki and start taking discussion about it to PEEL, you might get banned on PEEL."


In line with rule 1 I suggested, I'd request that the peelsex logo be removed from the page about me and have my name removed from the list of peelsex people.

PS: I also agree that TNUK needs to calm down a bit :P

PPS: Again, just suggestions. Discuss.

[Reply #687 on:]

^Excellent ideas and advice. I wholeheartedly agree. It's depressing that some people's pages go blank because of the animosity that goes on between a few users.

[Reply #688 on:]

 

Originally posted by futurefreak:

...futurefreak remembers. remember when dogs were actually cats, and women couldn't vote? futurefreak doesn't remember...

Funny post.  Ralph is old enough to remember when men were men, women were women and...

What was my point?

None, just a try for levity.

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Edit:  I just read -mArc-'s post and agree with most of what he said.  The person should have the last say of what goes on the page.  The problem is, what about the users who place inappropriate or spiteful things on other's pages just to be spiteful?  Maybe TNUK is taking it too seriously - he can direct his time and energy to other things but for some people to say he hasn't done some good towards WIKI's time consuming things is incorrect.

If the current and future administrator is going to allow the BC and HJS of the world to indiscriminately place spiteful things on pages, then I'll ask/demand that my page be locked and blanked now.  They both should have lifetime bans for some of the shit they've done.  Maybe TNUK was a little overjealous but I feel he did a pretty good job patrolling the Wiki. 

Granted I know Xanfor is another major force there and he's not a controversial figure like TNUK, I'm going to say that I appreciate all the efforts that Xanfor has expended to be a class act and be fair and unbiased.

The "Peel-Sex" logo needs to be dumped.  NOW.  I'm not giving anybody a hard time but it's obvious that it's one of the things that seems to be tearing the community apart.  While it may be good for a laugh or two, such things can have horrible consequences for others.

Example:  If I were to somehow make the trip to a PEELathon and one of the female members and I had a beer together, then somebody else decides to place that logo on my page, you can be damned sure that Kelly would be asking a LOT of questions.  It was conceived to be a joke but it has backfired.  It's time for the inventors of said logo to admit that it's not a good idea, remove it from every page and retire it.

The discussion is on TNUK and not on the real problem of the Wiki - the vandals.  Why isn't the administrator or sysops banning the trash who are causing most problems?  HJS and Birthday Assclown do nothing but create acrimony - their objectives.  To allow them continued access to edit other pages means that the admins and sysops are no better than them. If that is the case and the attitude is "It's just the internet", then I want nothing else to do with WikiPeelia.  If this pisses anybody off, bite my white, hairy ass, take my page down immediately and lock it.

Rob, for what it's worth, I support you and back you, but maybe it's time for you to put your efforts behind something else.  Something less stressful, like defusing land mines in Bosnia.

That's my opinion, your milage may vary.

[Reply #689 on:]

I agree with Marc's rules. I also agree that something should be done about trolling, no matter who does it.
Sysops and Admins shouldn't get involved in a flame fight and especially, they shouldn't start any. Their job is to make sure the wiki stays clean.
I hereby also propose, that every admin and sysop uses the account with his normal nick to actually edit content and use a second account (like Gopher_Admin or something, I don't know) to enforce the rules but stay away from any content unless specifically asked by the person the site belongs to to do something about it.
That way, we won't see any power abuse and people will stop bitching, hopefully.

[Reply #690 on:]

I thought double accounts weren't allowed 

[Reply #691 on:]

I allow double accounts as a double standard for admins and sysops. 

[Reply #692 on:]

Oooh, I like the irony in that!

[Reply #693 on:]

Yeah, cloning is only for the people who can afford it.

[Reply #694 on:]

Just an fyi, I removed the peelsex logo from everyone's page except the one person who added it themselves.  If anyone wants it back, they can feel free to add it.

[Reply #695 on:]

Request to superusers/sysops: C'n you block me from making edits for 6 months just to remove temptation? Yeah, I do need to calm down and do something less stressful. So I'll take a break, and the block will serve to re-inforce my less-than-phenomenal willpower.

Thanks Ralph, thanks mArc, and thanks Xanfor. I love you guys. Sorta. In a totally non-scary way.

I like the idea of "blank by request" - I feel that I should apologise for even creating the dam PEELsex logo, and I would like to request that if anybody else sees me doing anything even half as dumb in the future, they should call me on it. I can't always tell the difference between a good idea and a bad one.

-total "taking a break now" nerduk-

[Reply #696 on:]

K, I'm sick of this.  Rob made the peelsex logo and had it on a separate page, where it implied nothing.  I'm the one who put it on everybody's page, so stop getting upset at him for it.

So that makes me the evil one or something.  Anyways, like I said, I removed it from every page except the original pages it was on (Peel Singles Bar and Peelationships) and I didn't remove it from a page where a peeler added it him/her self.

[Reply #697 on:]

That's like saying Oppenheimer wasn't responsible for Hiroshima because he just lead the team that perfected the bomb.

I can admit when I've done something wrong/stupid. You don't have to jump in front of the bullet for me.

[Reply #698 on:]

A sex bullet...just like they sell at the various adult novelty stores I certainly don't shop at.

[Reply #699 on:]

Ok, I'm tired of this. Let's keep discussing it.

[Reply #700 on:]

I have to kind of agree with Amy.  That PEEL relationship logo wasn't made for cheap laughs.... It wasn't created for the purpose of making fun of someone at their expense.  As I said when this first occurred, not everyone may like the idea, but at the same time there was nothing inherantly wrong with it in the first place.  It was a simple thing to denote that PEELers had had relationships with other PEELers...  In a way, it's kind of cute.  On top of that, it was rather anonymous, unless someone decided to talk about it.

[Reply #701 on:]

Goddamnit, I had a really childish remark to make but now it makes no sense 

[Reply #702 on:]

You can always use the quote tags...

[Reply #703 on:]

Nah, it wasn't that type of remark.

[Reply #704 on:]

so it stands for PEELationships or PEELsex? i did not know that...where's the one for my page  hehee kidding...

i think if we take the wiki for what it is, a humorous collection of information unbeknowst to other members, then there shouldn't be a problem.

[Reply #705 on:]

There shouldn't be but there will. People make it their business to cause problems. (cough) Birthdayclown

[Reply #706 on:]

I thought you were talking about keffothemonkey 

[Reply #707 on:]

i hate monkeys.

[Reply #708 on:]

Keffo is winna, right? 'Cause I'm fairly sure that keffo has been responsible for major vandalism in the not too distant past.

[Reply #709 on:]

Yeah, keffo is winna.

[Reply #710 on:]

Everyone's winna.

*waves his server around at people and hopes for stuff to happen*

[Reply #711 on:]

Keffo really IS winna, though, dammit.

[Reply #712 on:]

I thought keffo was Laura

[Reply #713 on:]

Hey Upsilon, did you go to Gay Pride?

[Reply #714 on:]

 

Originally posted by Upsilon:
I thought keffo was Laura

How did you get my name?

[Reply #715 on:]

Um, Gopher, you do realise that I've already uploaded all the PEEL emoticons, right?

[Reply #716 on:]

homerjaysimpson: I've been here years and years

gudbjorg: No, I didn't. Did you?

[Reply #717 on:]

JBerges and Kloudes are not a PEEL couple, they are a couple who are both on PEEL. They met in real life. Nice try, internet!

[Reply #718 on:]

Xanfor: ... of course I did. I just thought they were awesome enough to be duplicated.

...

ahem. Anyway, yeah, or something...

[Reply #719 on:]

 

Originally posted by VelourFog:
JBerges and Kloudes are not a PEEL couple, they are a couple who are both on PEEL. They met in real life. Nice try, internet!

Aw, now you've just made it sound boring!  Well... maybe we met over something else, like CB radio, or semaphore...