wĭʹkēpē'lēə : self-indulgence wikified

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I have to agree with TNUK, Ralph and Xanfor on this one.

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Big server! Free space! I keep on top of security stuff! What does a guy have to do to get noticed around here?

[Reply #642 on:]

I think you have to attract Spiff's attention with a fan dance.

[Reply #643 on:]

Finally, a reason for all that practising...

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Originally posted by Archonix:

Finally, a reason for all that practising...

Pictures or it didn't happen!

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Damn, Ralph. You beat me to it. I was going to demand pictures, plus reaction shots of Spiff.

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I have disagree with frisco on this one.  I agree with everyone else though.

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Originally posted by Frisco17:
I have to agree with TNUK, Ralph and Xanfor on this one.

 

Originally posted by DrThunder88:
I have disagree with frisco on this one.  I agree with everyone else though.

Which would by extension agree with Frisco. But if you don't agree with Frisco, you don't agree with the other people you agree with. Meaning that you don't agree with yourself. Which would mean that if you disagree with yourself and you disagree with Frisco, you actually agree with Frisco, but you disagree with him...

I've gone cross-eyed. Can't you just disagree with everybody to keep it simple? A policy of blanket disagreement with the entire universe would at least help to decide which side of the fence you're on every time you come across a fence of some kind.

[Reply #648 on:]

So you're saying you didn't like his joke, then? 

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I was just trying to think it through.

[Reply #650 on:]

Logic is a little tweeting bird, chirping in a meadow. Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, which smell bad.

[Reply #651 on:]

Ok you guys are on a whole different plane here now  Its like a 747 or something... Are we still talking about the Wikipeel? 

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Originally posted by totalnerduk:
   

Originally posted by Bend-err:
     

Originally posted by totalnerduk:
If they do decide (or anybody does) to vandalise any more of it, then I'll be askign Spiff for my old powers back to ban them for a month. I'd like to know who would support me and mail Spiff on my behalf if I asked them to, saying that it's good idea. If nobody would, then forget it. If there are a few people who would like to back me up so that I can continue to try and make the wiki as great as it deserves to be, then that would be great. Greatly great.

so you can lock pages again so the user (who the page is about) can't edit it the way they want to?

I think I know which page you're referring to. I wasn't going to keep it on there forever, just until we could approach an agreement as to what the truth was about. There was a lot going on there behind the scenes you know nothing about and at least two people were furious as to what they considered outright lies.

seems like you don't cause i was referring to my page which you locked after I deleted some stuff off it

 

I did more good than harm, and certainly more good than you

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Originally posted by Archonix:
Big server! Free space! I keep on top of security stuff! What does a guy have to do to get noticed around here?

Can't a guy study for an exam for a couple of hours? Jesus H. Christ!
Seriously though, sounds good. I'll get in touch via e-mail, but currently the exam tomorrow has priority.

As for bandwidth: It's nothing to worry about even on a really cheap contract, which you apparently don't have anyway.

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Originally posted by Bend-err:

I think I know which page you're referring to.

seems like you don't cause i was referring to my page which you locked after I deleted some stuff off it

You mean when you blanked your entire page? Oh yeah, I remember that.

So it's just a personal grievance you have then? That's fine. Keep simmering in your own unresolved angwer over that, just remember your crusade against taking anything seriously.

You can be quite a poisonous individual can't you? Well as much as I might find your bites irritating, you'll have to bite quite hard to kill me.

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Originally posted by homerjaysimpson:

Yeah, Billy West must have thought it is serious business...

You do remember him?  The guy who placed a restraining order on your ass.

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tnuk: personal grievance? hah, you wish
i didn't take it serious, just thoughed i bring it up to show how you DID abuse your powers


and now i go and actually do some usefull stuff, have fun going back to crying about your powerloss

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So, the re-instatement of valid, non-compromising content to replace vandalism is abuse of power? Thanks for the new definition, Bend-err.

I don't think I've cried about losing my status. I'd remember it if I'd cried.

Have fun doing whatever it is you class as "useful".

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dude, hasn't spiff made it clear enough he doesn't want you managing wikipedia? take a break and go outside or something...

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^
Guys, test thread please? I want to see if new content has been put in now read the post drama chit chat.

Anywho, I'm going to add some more Pims Bio stuff since nobody else can be bothered.

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Originally posted by SpacemanSpiff:
 

Originally posted by Archonix:
Big server! Free space! I keep on top of security stuff! What does a guy have to do to get noticed around here?

Can't a guy study for an exam for a couple of hours? Jesus H. Christ!

What, you actually study for your exams? Get out of here!

 

As for bandwidth: It's nothing to worry about even on a really cheap contract, which you apparently don't have anyway.

Also about a dozen domains that could be used for it, if needs be. I'll send you a list when you aren't so busy.

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Originally posted by Margarita:
dude, hasn't spiff made it clear enough he doesn't want you managing wikipedia? take a break and go outside or something...

Did I even ask Spiff to re-instate me yet? Was I even responding to Spiff? No. I was responding to your buddy there. As for going outside, it's ten in the evening. It's cold out.

I was merely pointing out to Bend-err that his criticisms of my performance during my tenure as a sysop were not particularly valid.

If I decide that having sysop status back is particularly important to me, I'll ask whoever is in charge of the wiki at the time (as it seems as though it may change hands) if that can be done.

If not, I'll still be able to contact other sysops and point out action that needs to be taken which is not currently within my remit. So it's not as big a deal to me as you appear to imagine.

Sorry to burst your little spite-dream, but I'm really not crying about it.

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Why does a fairly small wiki for an internet messageboard need a lot of security?  I understand it's being on a personal server, and not wanting that to be compromised... but like Gopher said, he wasn't patching with unPEEL, and I doubt he had any problems.  I also assume the traffic isn't too bad.... maybe 20 users a day?  Most of the content is text.... I'm just guessing.

As far as all the drama goes, it is my belief that tnuk did a lot of good on the wiki; I certainly appreciate that, just like I appreciate all the work anybody does on it.  I think he's fine with Spiff's decision for now, he just feels the need to defend himself, which seems fair.  That said, he was cut off sysop for the reasons Spiffy stated; the wiki was supposed to be fair, and well... to be honest, because of this other drama stuff, tnuk used his powers in what could be easily seen as a privelaged manner.  I have no intention on playing sides in this instance, as that's what a lot of it seemingly boils down to, but I will say that for the most part tnuk had good intentions and attempted to work fair and play well with most everybody. 

Lastly, I'd like to point out that if you're going to play the "I would appreciate it if people didn't put certain things on there about me"/"If I edit my own entry, that should be good enough" cards.... Play that with everybody else.... even the jerks and the trolls. 

All that said... I could hardly be suspicious of anything you wrote on your wiki Spiffy; from what I've seen, and of what you wrote, you've attempted to be fair in all matters despite the crutch of having the capability to do with it as you like.  I tend to respect other people's things, and to be honest, you do currently own the wiki, and I think you've been nice enough to share it with everybody.

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you have to stay up to date on patches if it's a long-term resource because eventually somebody armed with the latest mediawiki exploits (published by public mailing list and on the web) will stumble upon unpeel while looking for wikis to trash. If I left it up indefinately without patches, it would eventually happen to unpeel as well, but since it's usually locked and temporary anyway, I'm not overly concerned and took only minimal precuations to avoid losing the whole database.

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What's with all the eDrama all of a sudden? Did someone forgot to lock the door to #futuramachat? Oh, right... I forgot that fun is serious business.

Meh, I only came to respond to something I read at work (about 2 pages back or something)....

I don't see how anyone can be surprised that TNUK lost his SysOp status. Granted it wasn't absolutely certain either, but abusing the ban-tool like that? Come on...

JoshTheater: Apparently he couldn't make it to PEELathon VI. TNUK added a mocking line to his page. Josh removed the line and updated the PEELathon page with his absent. "Banned for a week because he has a stick up his ass. This should give him time to remove it." Nice and friendly.

Jeremy: Now I know he isn't popular with several PEELers, but unless he has a third account I'm not familiar with he has made exactly 1 edit (pre-banning) to Slackit and TNUKS pages. Slackit's was borderline, the one on TNUKs was across the line. Contrast that with the BirthdayClown page which is 95% TNUK made and not exactly a declaration of love. Jeremy banned, TNUK continue editing.

I'm not siding with either here, just pointing out this wasn't exactly unjustified. They both made additions to the Wiki, mistakes were made, c'est la vie.  Both can continue to add to WikiPEELia if they want to, so what's changed?

Though a lock on a couple of pages for a few days might not be without merit... Hmmm, decisions, decisions....

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95? More like 50%, and none of it's over the line. But yeah, the rest of it's right. I was acting like a jerk with Josh.    I'd forgotten about that, actually. Still, there's also behind-the-scenes stuff there as well.

Locking pages indeed is not without merit.

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Behind the scenes stuff that involves things up people's arses is not something I would want to see aired in public...

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BANNED!

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What were you banned for, Bear?

[Reply #670 on:]

He tried to steal my pik-a-nick basket!

[Reply #671 on:]

I thought it was the public nudity. They caught him wearing nothing but a shirt collar and a hat...

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Originally posted by totalnerduk:
So, the re-instatement of valid, non-compromising content to replace vandalism is abuse of power? Thanks for the new definition, Bend-err.

It's not vandalism if it's their own page. Some people don't want certain things wrote about themselves. I will say that sometimes they're not always right in deciding such things(ie. when nothing bad or defamatory is wrote about them), but it's at least something other than simple vandalism.

 

Originally posted by totalnerduk:I don't think I've cried about losing my status. I'd remember it if I'd cried.

Have fun doing whatever it is you class as "useful".

That may be true but you aren't doing a good job of showing it. Take for instance how you followed up your comment about not crying with a spiteful remark. Or how you said you'd stop replying a page back, but kept replying anyway.

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SRS BIZNIZ

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Originally posted by Margarita:
dude, hasn't spiff made it clear enough he doesn't want you managing wikipedia? take a break and go outside or something...

I agree with Margarita! (and Teral, for the record)

Can't you all use your powers for good instead of uselessness? Go cure cancer or something, seriously.

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Originally posted by Ralph Snart:
  Yeah, Billy West must have thought it is serious business...

You do remember him?  The guy who placed a restraining order on your ass.

What does this have to do with anything and it wasn't a restraining order, silly.

 

Originally posted by DrThunder88:
I have disagree with frisco on this one.  I agree with everyone else though.

Best Post Ever!

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AVO?

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Drama? This isn't drama. This is... A really badly written Coronation Street fanfiction, tops. An average day at Outpost Gallifrey is drama. Except when it's squees. Which is a fairly large amount of the time, don't get me wrong. But really, there's no drama here. Considering the circumstances I'd say everyone's being rather civil.

Now, as to why tnuk lost his sysop status... Teral offers as evidence his indiscriminate banning of JoshTheatre. I don't recall seeing a reprimand from any of you when this happened. In fact, I don't recall there being a response of any kind to this. In terms of how wikis work that's approval by proxy. I could have said something, certainly. So could have anyone else. But it was the sysops' responsibility, and every single one of them ignored it. Tnuk may have made a maldecision, but it sure was polite how everyone, especially those who's jobs it was, stood up against what they perceived as injustice. If none of you saw what was wrong with it then, don't use it as evidence for now.

To get straight the actual point, this lukewarm thing that can barely be called a debate was started not by controversy over tnuk's demotion, but by the recent edits of hjs and BirthdayClown. Hjs was deliberately doing exactly what -mArc- said BC had been banned for doing. She was also uploading a different version of the same picture over and over and over again. This is not only a waste of bandwidth, but also of the wiki's disk space (every version of the file is saved.) She was acting out of pure spite and the intention to be both insensitive, rude, and hateful. That is why hjs should be banned. Now, as for BC, he was just being quite annoying over there, and basically taking offensive at every attempt to help him out. Locking the page was the best option for all, I agree, before things got too heated.

Finally, there's the issue of blanking pages. What is permissible, what is vandalism? Now, it's been suggested in various places of which I have no particular interest to go and find that the most that should be removed from any page is its content. That is, everything except the infobox, with the avatar picture and so on. However, there are arguments against this. We need to standardise. I personally think that the infobox should remain, however, there may be some who take exception to this. In any case, a page that has been blanked by request should have the template {{blankbyrequest}} at the very top of it. Never mind what it looks like for now, it can be changed at some point in the future.

Incorporate this into your deliberations. I'm going to go be a man now. Buy some tires. Maybe spit or something.

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Xanfor, I do have some thought on what should be done on blank pages.  I believe I was the first person to ask to be removed from the wiki, and blanked my page. 

The measures that were taken by the mods was that my page was locked, but I was still showing categories as well as who I drank.  I think this is the correct link.

Since that was done by done by Gopher and Tnuk, I would assume that could be seen as the standard for blank pages.

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i hate internet sub-cliques. remember when everyone was on the same page, and fighting was kept mostly private between select PEELenemies? futurefreak remembers. remember when there was no wiki, and no discussion of people's personal lives that they didn't want being discussed? futurefreak remembers. remember when dogs were actually cats, and women couldn't vote? futurefreak doesn't remember...