PoTM - secondary accounts

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We have a new wrinkle in PoTM - when a person creates a secondary account, do these extra accounts count as seperate "people" for PoTM, or should all they be counted as the same person?

Why or why not?

[Reply #1 on:]

My opinion is that people would STOP making secondary accounts, but whatever... Count them as the same person!

[Reply #2 on:]

Oh bejesus, not again.

Here's my thinking:
What's to stop me setting up the following accounts:
Archie2K
Archie3K
Archie4K
Archie5K
Archie6K

Posting a few times with each, then getting all 5 people to nominate my main account (Archie2K) and thus getting 4 free nominations, and a furthur 8 to hand out to whomever I like.

In your case you had two names: TMC and Penis. As TMC you voted for Penis, and if we count all of your names together, you effectively exploited a gap in the rules and voted for yourself, which you could do numerous times.

The only time I think that people should have their votes tied together is when someone stops using one account and changes to another, eg. If I lost the password to Archie2K and registered a new name, say Archie2K3 and only used one account at a time, then votes for either name should be amalgamated together. And that's why I believe Penis & Tallywhacker should be counted together.

One last point: Why not in one of the PotM Rules threads?

[Reply #3 on:]

Secondary accounts are for chumps

[Reply #4 on:]

Chump has a secondary account?

[Reply #5 on:]

 

Originally posted by Archie2K:
Posting a few times with each, then getting all 5 people to nominate my main account (Archie2K) and thus getting 4 free nominations, and a furthur 8 to hand out to whomever I like.

No, no. Archie2k votes for Archie3k,4k,5k. Archied3k votes for 2k,4k,5k
And so on, thus you vote only for yourself, then tally them all up under one person.

[Reply #6 on:]

Basically it's like this:

If I'm being fair, then I'd amalgamate the votes (I thought you'd done enough to garner a spot in the final ten anyway).

However, from what I scream to fellow drivers, "Pick a lane!".  Choose one account and post under it.  The joke was funny for a while, once we figured out that it was you, it should have died.

If you complain that you don't make the final ten because of it, then perhaps you shouldn't have been pissing around in the first place.  Seems a shame that after all the good posting, you'll be undone by this.

EDIT: A fair compromise would be to render the secondary account inelligable for POTM, and ask the nominees to reconsider whether they want to vote for TMC. 

As suggested by Cyberknight.

[Reply #7 on:]

Now Archie, do remember that voting/nominating yourself is allowed, though admittedly somewhat tacky .

And only one account has been used to post any nominations. Voting/nominating with multiple accounts would indeed be naughty and cheating.

And I thought this deserved a poll so we could see how people vote and have clear-cut results, instead of just who argues longest.

[Reply #8 on:]

Many people cheat or used to cheat in the PoTM Nominations and the question is how are we going to stop them?

[Reply #9 on:]

It's just a small hole that could be entirely exploited to force your way into the final ten.

Foir what its worth, this couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke. You deserve to have won already. My tally says that TMC has 4, Tallywhacker (incl. Penis) has 3. Probably not enough to make the final ten.

But amalgamating the accounts gives the lot 7, which almost certainly will make it into the final poll, at someone else's expense, who will then no doubt complain loudly.

While I see that Tallywhacker hasn't posted any nominations, which is good, you still have voted for yourself by proxy, and if you had three separate accounts, you could vote for yourself by proxy three times.

Now I need to go off and learn the meaning of the phrase "by proxy" as I've probably just said something stupid.

One final thing: Do you REALLY think wanky voted for Tallywhacker because of TMC's long well thoughtout posts on religious belief?

 

Many people cheat or used to cheat in the PoTM Nominations and the question is how are we going to stop them?

Wha? Show me your evidence and I'll bother to reply to that.

[Reply #10 on:]

If people are different in different accounts, then they're not being true to themself.

Why would they do that? To be something they're not, because they want to be popular, or appeal to a wider audience. Why do that? To get more votes.

There's no point having 2 accounts if you're the same in each, but if you're being different then it's not you anyway. So IMO, along with my opions above, I think only the account made first should be voted for. And I don't see a point in having 2 accounts for the same person.

[Reply #11 on:]

Count them separately, but i think people should stop making secondary accounts.

[Reply #12 on:]

I agree with Margie, on the last part.

[Reply #13 on:]

 

Originally posted by Otis P Jivefunk:
If people are different in different accounts, then they're not being true to themself.

Why would they do that? To be something they're not, because they want to be popular, or appeal to a wider audience. Why do that? To get more votes.

That sounds so much more amusing if you picture Otis high on pot. duuuuuuuudddeee

[Reply #14 on:]

 

Originally posted by futureman:
Many people cheat or used to cheat in the PoTM Nominations and the question is how are we going to stop them?

Everyone that's won since you joined, has won fair and square.  You have no basis on which to accuse anyone of cheating.

Besides, you'd have to pretty sad to do that anyway.

[Reply #15 on:]

No, you used the proxy thing close enough to correctly that nobody will complain. Though in reply I'll just say that it's entirely legal for a guy to nominate himself (once), so no rules have been broken.

But please address the issue this poll is about... it's not about whether multiple accounts ought to be legal, but how they are to be counted when voted for in PoTM.

and in reply to your one final thing, Archie - Of course not. But the same person did all the posting that earned those 7 nominations.

[Reply #16 on:]

Oh my god. futureman IS George W Bush. He just needs some fabricated evidence and a few major news stations behind him and he's set to prove the big Melllvar fix of March 2003. 

I mean, everyone hates Melllvar. Infact me, Melllvar and MelBee are all the same person. The people in that photo of us from London wasn't us at all. They were just random pissed people in the Hen & Chickens, too drunk to realise the STEEP prices there. 

[Reply #17 on:]

Penis has a mind of its own. I think he should be counted seperately.

[Reply #18 on:]

and if we should count Tallywhacker as TMC, we will need to re-count votes and it will only make problems. let's just leave it like this.

[Reply #19 on:]

 

Originally posted by FishyJoe:
Penis has a mind of its own.

That is adversely funny, and damn true as well.

[Reply #20 on:]

 

But please address the issue this poll is about... it's not about whether multiple accounts ought to be legal, but how they are to be counted when voted for in PoTM.

All accounts should be counted separately unless someone changes their account due to reasons such as lost password. In that case all nominations for the first account should be carried over to the second account as in that case the two accounts weren't being used at the same time.

I'm not sure if you're just arguing because arguing is fun - and it is dammit  - but you never struck me as the kind of guy for whom this was important to. Can't you just steal Nixorbo's? 

[Reply #21 on:]

Actually, I was just talking to FJ about how I'm arguing to be argumentative.

But there is a purpose - we gotta have the topic resolved in time for the voting.

[Reply #22 on:]

The real problem isn't during the nomination stage, it is during the voting, when it would be impossible to tell if somebody had a dozen PEEL accounts and voted on every one of then without posting, then they couldn't be IP checked.

[Reply #23 on:]

 

Originally posted by TheMadCapper:
But please address the issue this poll is about... it's not about whether multiple accounts ought to be legal, but how they are to be counted when voted for in PoTM.

Actually whether or not they're legal should be part of this discussion.  What's to stop me registering again and again and nominating Aleel 100 times?

[Reply #24 on:]

 

Originally posted by Margarita:
and if we should count Tallywhacker as TMC, we will need to re-count votes and it will only make problems. let's just leave it like this.

Cyberknight has his Nomi-thingy, and has already counted up in favour of TMC's votes amalgamated.

 

Originally posted by Archie2k:
I mean, everyone hates Melllvar.

It's true.  I only did it so you'd all love me!

[Reply #25 on:]

 

Originally posted by TheMadCapper:
But there is a purpose - we gotta have the topic resolved in time for the voting.

Hmm.  If you alter ego votes are added together, Doug finishes 11th.  If they're counted seperately, Doug's 10th and you're 11th.  I say count them seperately.  A vote for Penis isn't a vote for TMC.

[Reply #26 on:]

 

Originally posted by PCC Fred:
A vote for Penis isn't a vote for TMC.

damn straight.

[Reply #27 on:]

The Voices has voted for Doug, which means we're both on 5 votes now.  If TMC/Penis/Tallywhacker's votes are added together, either Doug or myself gets kicked out of the final poll.

[Reply #28 on:]

 

Originally posted by Melllvar:
Cyberknight has his Nomi-thingy, and has already counted up in favour of TMC's votes amalgamated.

*sheepishly* Actually, I swopped back to TMC and Penis/TW being separate entities. However, this means TMC still makes the top 10, just. I'm sure I've missed a Zed nomination somewhere, though, as everyone else thinks he's got 4. (Did somebody nominate Zed under a nickname?)

[Reply #29 on:]

There's another thing to consider.  If TMC gets into the final poll using this alter ego method, next month everyone will be making alter egos and block voting, making POTM meaningless.

[Reply #30 on:]

Why do people use different accounts anyway? Theres no point really. Its just confusing 

[Reply #31 on:]

 

Originally posted by PCC Fred:
There's another thing to consider.  If TMC gets into the final poll using this alter ego method, next month everyone will be making alter egos and block voting, making POTM meaningless.

SB nearly made it meaningless last month as well, this is like a Soap Opera, but on a Message Board, and more entertaining.

[Reply #32 on:]

Well, I've said everything I need to... Tallywhacker and TMC are the same person, so I think they should be treated as such. As do the majority of folks here. And no, I only voted with one account 

However, if there's a huge turnaround in the poll, I'd be willing to accept the invalidation of Tallywhacker as a PoTM candidate, it being just a joke account to begin with, if the people who nominated "him" get their nominations back, to use as they see fit.

[Reply #33 on:]

 

Originally posted by futureman:
Many people cheat or used to cheat in the PoTM Nominations and the question is how are we going to stop them?

Noone have ever cheated in these POTM. What would be the point. Cheat to win an Internet popularity contest? To echo our currently absent Aussie friend Ben: that's saddest thing I've ever heard. And the real question is: do we care enough to stop them?

Anyway, the issue raised by this poll: yes, the posts are made by the same person, but they're made with different persona.

Although the joke was fun, and TMC because of it briefly replaced FishyJeff as my hero, I have to say the votes should be counted seperately.

[Reply #34 on:]

 

Originally posted by PCC Fred:
A vote for Penis isn't a vote for TMC.

exactly.

[Reply #35 on:]

Hm... I think I even created an alter-ego about four months ago. But someone truly evil *glancesatmArc* deleted the account before I got to post. Stupid me for talking about it in the chatroom while the owner of this MB is around... *shakesherhead*
Why does nobody vote for three?

[Reply #36 on:]

Vote for the bear!

My final thought, Jerry Springer style: If multiple accounts are amalgamated then PotM will become not about who has the most friends and best campaign, but who has the most accounts. It seems that everyone, no matter how meaningless their posts, get votes. PotM is a farce already, but that would be plain ridiculous.

CyberKnight really deserves a round of applause for all the work he has put in these past two months. I thought I was the only one sad enough to do something like that!

[Reply #37 on:]

 

Originally posted by Archie2K:
CyberKnight really deserves a round of applause for all the work he has put in these past two months. I thought I was the only one sad enough to do something like that!

I'll second that.

My final thought: this wouldn't happen if second accounts were banned.  Whilst I think that TMC's posting is deserving of a spot in the final ten (and no-one can begrudge him that), the fact remains, without secondary accounts causing confusion, there would be no issue at all, except lousy counting.

[Reply #38 on:]

Secondary accounts should be banned, I'm surprised that some of them are still active.  How could they be allowed in PoTM?  It's equivalent to ballot stuffing if you let one person vote multiple times with their not so funny alter egos.

[Reply #39 on:]

 

Originally posted by futureman:
Many people cheat or used to cheat in the PoTM Nominations and the question is how are we going to stop them?

Stop trying to "force yourself" onto us by pretending to know what you are talking about. You don't know what you're talking about.

I see where TMC is coming from, but i don't think that him and Penis/Tallwacker should get the votes totalled up.