Poster of the Month March 2011

[Reply #40 on:]

Thanks futurefreak, it's because I'm not like the modern day R&B listening self-obsessed emo jerks.  I nominate

futurefreak
Xanfor
Bend-err
Bear

And ok what the hell winna

[Reply #41 on:]

You know who...

[Reply #42 on:]

Did you nominate me for this?

[Reply #43 on:]

I nominate to make 'this' king of PEEL.

[Reply #44 on:]

Like this?

[Reply #45 on:]

I am actually shocked that in the last 60 posts of yours you only mentioned that 15 times. You're losing it, winna.

[Reply #46 on:]

winna is very strange indeed... 

[Reply #47 on:]

?

Pro Tip: Click the frownie.

[Reply #48 on:]

Wait, I thought we were going back to standards, putting this in the PEELie Vault area with an established staff, and people only winning once (a year?)...or while I was gone for 15 days did you decide to throw all the rules out, making this total madness and totally worthless?

[Reply #49 on:]

The problem with that though is that a lot of people don't even bother to look in the vault.

[Reply #50 on:]

True that.

[Reply #51 on:]

The problem with that though is that a lot of people don't even bother to look in the vault.

That might change if we had potm in there every month. 

FHM.  Basically, mArc didn't respond to the idea in any fashion... people quickly forgot about it.  It'll probably get brought up again in 2 months.

[Reply #52 on:]

Or sooner. If enough people PM mArc about it. Which I guess nobody did. Since nothing happened.

[Reply #53 on:]

Several people sent him a private message.

Edit: I certainly don't advise spamming the shit out of his inbox about it.  You know how he operates... he gets around to doing stuff when he feels like it if he likes it.

Edit edit: However, many of the suggestions for PotM could easily be stated by whoever opens the potm threads.... like posting a list of all the people that have won in the last 12 months or whatever.

Edit edit edit: I'm not sure why I've edited this post so many times.  I could have just simply triple or quadruple posted instead.  Curious.

[Reply #54 on:]

Resisting the quadruple post. I'm very proud of you, winna.

The only thing with moving POTM is that less people will be inclined to vote, given its an extra click away. Or new posters might not be aware of it right away because not everyone reads the vault/wiki.

[Reply #55 on:]

Re: your edit edit, winna...  The suggestions we've had so far seem to have been mainly set out by me and weiner. Everybody else seems to be happy with more-or-less-anarchy.

Personally, I don't know if anybody bothered to do more than simply make complaints about the idea in the thread I opened for discussion, and so far, [-mArc-] hasn't even weighed in with his opinion, meaning I don't think that very many people have even thought about PM'ing or emailing him re: the matter.

I doubt this will change, and I doubt that POTM will change any time soon. Of course, I've been wrong before. We might all log in tomorrow to find a brand-new shiny subforum. But that's unlikely. I mean, we've been waiting for the PEEL Vault to turn red like the other subforums when it contains unread posts, for... hmm... well, we've been waiting since it opened.

PEEL is highly resistant to change. I think it'll continue to happen the way it does at the moment until enough people actually do what they can do about it.

Wait, I thought we were going back to standards, putting this in the PEELie Vault area with an established staff, and people only winning once (a year?)...or while I was gone for 15 days did you decide to throw all the rules out, making this total madness and totally worthless?

Yeah, just because somebody makes a suggestion here, it doesn't mean it gets adopted. Since Slimmy disappeared, [-mArc-] is the only active admin, therefore you'd need to get him to do something. Which involves getting him to care enough.

So far this year, [-mArc-] has made about six posts. He's opened and closed the PEELies subforum, he's banned the mysterious force behind the PEEL Inquirer (thus cutting short what was presumably planned to be a wonderful and intricate, engaging and highly amusing romp through the realms of fantasy and imagination, although this is all just conjecture since I wouldn't know anything about that because it totally wasn't me), and told me that I've got to stop swearing and insulting people or "take a break", which I suppose means a ban. Which effectively amounts to me not being allowed to respond to half the comments which are aimed at me, even though that's not going to buy the people posting them a ban. Not that I'm complaining out loud, you understand. I'm just muttering angrily under my breath. That's more activity than usual, but it's still not a lot.

Resisting the quadruple post. I'm very proud of you, winna.

The only thing with moving POTM is that less people will be inclined to vote, given its an extra click away. Or new posters might not be aware of it right away because not everyone reads the vault/wiki.

Typical bloody PEELer attitude. "I don't wanna. Other people might not do this." So? If you throw enough links around, make enough announcements, parade something round as a big idea, then people will click on it. People tend to go back to things they've clicked on, as something new might have happened. So one thing that it would do is increase awareness of POTM, WikiPEELia, and the Vault. Yet you're just dismissing it out of hand because it's "an extra click away".

If anybody actually does have that attitude, I'm disgusted with them.

Good luck getting anything to change around here. Good luck attempting to actually organise or get anything done around here... even AGI 9, which doesn't really depend on anything from [-mArc-] except him allowing the thread to remain open looks shaky, because people simply don't commit to anything. PEELers do a lot of talking, but take few actions, because PEELers are fundamentally lazy.

Y'know what? I think I'm going to be too lazy to turn this into a poll. So when the time comes to end nominations and open a poll, some other muggins can do it. I'm too lazy.

* tnuk sinks into a conveniently nearby armchair and refuses to budge.

[Reply #56 on:]

Typical bloody PEELer attitude.

I don't know why you think people take issue with you.

I didn't say it was my attitude, I'm saying you'll get less group participation, that's my guess.

We can all discuss/debate things on here and be respectful of each other.

[Reply #57 on:]

I know that one other person other than myself sent mArc a pm about the idea that was in consideration of that thread.

There was also a lot more discussion generated about that topic than just opening a new sub-forum in the vault, of which would be the main factor in which mArc would become involved.  Furthermore, although mArc seems to be the only active admin, it's certainly possible to trick slimmy into doing something since he has ftp access.  The fact of the matter though, is that some of the propositions would take a little bit of work.... for example, the parts I suggested about moving old threads over to the new forum (although we don't actually have to do that at all, I'm just throwing it in this post because I think it's a good idea).

Some of the main ideas we did discuss and hence why we started talking about it in the first place were for the majority about changing the norms and customs that we adopted in the last few years concerning PotM and an attempt to wrench it away from the clutches of complete dispassionate anarchy and to return it to its once former glory.  Most of these, such as standardised guidelines for nominating and voting could easily be enacted without new forum functionality.... in fact, the whole affair has been worked out without changing PEEL for the last several years.

All of the complaining you're suggesting the discussion is about is in actuality, meaningful thought about the economics of making PotM a standard portion of the board and carving out a niche in the forum itself.  Why do it if people actually won't use it?  Remember, we started talking about this in the first place because we want people to participate in PotM more fervently and to preserve our self created history as a group.  I think that people would in fact use it if it were there, but that's my side of the debate.  The discussion itself is healthy though, so that we can make more of an awareness surrounding the whole thing should it occur.

As I stated earlier, I know that mArc has been pm'ed about the subject, because I pm'ed him about it.  I also became aware that at least one other person did so as well, perhaps weiner or Xanfor, but I forget who specifically.  The real problem about most of this is actually how mArc feels about it.  I'm going on a conjecture here, but mArc's actions seem to indicate that he's very careful with things that are supported specifically by PEEL.  He has many things to consider about these things, and he usually sets down rules when he takes the trouble to go through such things; as an example, look at how mArc hosted the PEEL wiki.  That's actually a good example to build off of, since the wiki is part of our self created history, and mArc went ahead and included it with the PEEL package.  However, PotM is a different story.  Although I feel that can, has been in the past, and could certainly be more than a random popularity contest.  In its essence, it actually is a flavor of the month popularity contest.  Unfortunately, with the past few years it has also been prone to random anarchy.  I'm going with my hunch feeling on this, but if mArc is to be persuaded to provide for us this thing, we would have to actually persuade him into believing that it's a good, sensible idea... it'd probably be helpful if we could convince him that it wouldn't take too much time out of his schedule to set it up.   That's really why we were discussing it in the first place for so long: to hammer out the details so we had something worth presenting.

In conclusion: many people contributed ideas in your thread about potm (not just you and weiner).  Most of those ideas seemed to be agreed upon in no completely certain terms.  mArc was pm'ed about the discussion and a request was made for changes in the vault to provide for a new potm area.  Some of the ideas, especially concerning how the PotM itself would operate could be evolving to be used right now, without a new forum.   Although we're a lazy bunch, I think there's a lot of creativity that we can tap into... and we are a community about making things to identify ourselves with each other... even to the point of stretching across the ends of the earth to meet up with each other.

I know you're taking a break, so you won't read this totalnerduk.  I hope you get to feeling better, but seriously, nobody was taking the piss here.

Well... except I've refrained from nominating to see how this might pan out.  And we've been upto other things.

[Reply #58 on:]

Winna can I write a book on you?

We all need a PEELcation every once in a while, especially TNUK with all the photoshopping and newsprinting work he has done recently. I don't think we actually get paid "vacation time" on PEEL but at least you are able to take one when you please TNUK, with or without the signature of the higher ups

[Reply #59 on:]

I always wanted to go on a roadtrip with people I met in #futuramachat.  I should quit imagining happy times that don't exist.

Edit: if for whatever reason you ever get the inclination that some aspect of my existence is worth writing about to any extent, you can feel free to have my permission to use it in your labors.  This applies to everybody; although, I can hardly imagine that I'm actually that interesting.

[Reply #60 on:]

This summer winna. LET'S DO IT.

[Reply #61 on:]

I also nominate winna's book for potm

[Reply #62 on:]

I just got a wonderful subpar idea. The P! True PEELywood stories. The name needs serious work but you know what I mean.

[Reply #63 on:]

heh....

[Reply #64 on:]

Tnuk is right in that [wikipeelia]WikiPEELia[/wikipeelia] needs more promotion. In fact, I'll promote it with my signature now. And if a new POTM sub-forum is created, we can all work in various ways to promote that as well. Remember the campaign for Shiny several years ago? I got almost every on-topic poster involved, even those who had no idea what the competition was about. Fun times.

Compared to actual life, putting in effort for PEEL is surprisingly easy. I wonder why so few are involved.

[Reply #65 on:]

Remember the campaign for Shiny several years ago?

Nope, what was it about?

[Reply #66 on:]

I campaigned throughout on-topic for Shiny to win Poster of the Month, mostly by using flashy signatures. Got most of the crowd up and voting for her too, but all of them were still no match for the massive influence of off-topic. She was uncomfortable with being the center of attention though, despite of her sheer awesomeness, and thus I promised her that I would do no such thing again.

[Reply #67 on:]

Aah, I see, so who did win that month?


And she isn't around any more either it seems, maybe you did scare her away

[Reply #68 on:]

David A. And I find it very interesting that I still have the power to unlock that poll.

All I need is seven volunteers and the outcome can be retroactively determined.

[Reply #69 on:]

• Free Hot Meal
  
• SpaceMaN
  
• El-Man

[Reply #70 on:]

David A.

Ahh, then don't blame me, I had voted for Robiben that month

[Reply #71 on:]

Oddly enough, that's who the poll says I voted for too, yet I know I didn't.

[Reply #72 on:]

Oh yeah, a lot of polls show such stuff wrong too... might have been that I never voted at all, come to think of it.

[Reply #73 on:]

I campaigned throughout on-topic for Shiny to win Poster of the Month, mostly by using flashy signatures. Got most of the crowd up and voting for her too, but all of them were still no match for the massive influence of the winna shadow government conspiracy. She was uncomfortable with being the center of attention though, despite of her sheer awesomeness, and thus I promised her that I would do no such thing again.

[Reply #74 on:]

David A. And I find it very interesting that I still have the power to unlock that poll.

All I need is seven volunteers and the winna shadow government conspiracy to not intervene and the outcome can be retroactively determined.

[Reply #75 on:]

* booze  gives winna a golden star for being able to quote a post

Next lesson: how to quote AND comment it.

[Reply #76 on:]

* booze  gives winna a golden star for being able to quote a post

Next lesson: how to quote AND comment it.

He's just going to comment like this.

[Reply #77 on:]

Indeed, what a one-trick pony

[Reply #78 on:]

Booze
Xanfor
Futurefreak
Nutmeg
Tnuk
Super Hans

[Reply #79 on:]

...i got nominated for POTM!? This has neverhappened and for one are shocked and surprised.
Anyways I nominate
Booze
Xanfor
Bear
Futurefreak