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The Master Con
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There's more social commentary in an episode of Futurama than there is in a whole season of Friends! That's not saying much.
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Beamer
DOOP Secretary
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Futurama rarely has much social commentary, which is understandable due to it's futuristic sci-fi theme. However, it DOES have occassional social commentary in many episodes - some main ones that spring to mind include A Taste Of Freedom, A Big Piece Of Garbage, The Bird-Bot Of Ice-Catraz, The Problem With Popplers and Crimes Of The Hot. However, Futurama doesn't exactly devote itself to social commentary, so it doesn't make as many good points about modern society as say, South Park - but still, it has it's more subtle moments.
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User_names_suck
Professor
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Originally posted by MrBurns: I like the way Futurama deals with social commentaries. In The Simpsons, you always got the feeling they're trying to teach you something because the social commentary aspect was so obivous, which was pretty annoying. Err I hope someone understands this. i dont know its obvious they are trying to say something in the problem with popplers and the birdbot of alcatraz, for example, someone making an unusually long speech, with appropriate music, and a camera push, happens in these 2 episodes
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davierocks
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Futurama IS filled with social commentary, perhaps not as much as some Simpsons episodes but yeah. I agree with most of Matt Groenings opinions on society, although I don't agree that with what seems to be his opinion on social security, several jokes in both the Simpsons and Futurama imply that he is against it. Ah well nobody is perfect.
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Tropic of Fry
Crustacean
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What are you talking about? Friends is loaded with social commentary! It's a bunch of pathetic losers hanging out in a coffee shop that's name is a wretched pun. I can't think of a more frighteningly real wake up call to modern society. Not to mention the females on the show always date men with wavy hair, what's that about? But that's beside the point. Futurama has many excellent things to say to whomever will listen, but i don't think it matches the genius of the Simpsons seasons 2-5. Now THAT was deftly crafted commentary.
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DotheBartman
Liquid Emperor
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Eh, interesting theory FilthyCrab, but I think Groening's comment was more about the "no crossovers" rule, and the idea that The Simpsons is a tv show that Futurama characters watch, so they're not in the same universe. Frankly I think that statement was made entirely to avoid having to do a crossover (he absolutely hates the idea, as evidenced by his actually pulling his name off "A Star is Burns" because of the crossover with "The Critic" ) and so that Futurama could be judged as a seperate show from The Simpsons.
And regarding The Simpsons' "moralistic" views, I think it actually tended to be a little less heavy handed then Futurama (Godfellas being the one real exception). Every time they have something to say its completely from one viewpoint with a "message" attached. The ending of "Big Peice of Garbage", however much I love it, is a good example. The Simpsons had some of that too, but mostly whenever they had an "issue" episode they would approach it from different angles and of course satirize each. "Itchy and Scratchy and Marge" was one of the best examples. The "there has always been violence" argument is mocked as too simplistic and the idea that media may actually affect childrens' behavior is legitimately explored (which is amazing given all the flack the show was getting at the same time for supposedly influencing children), but at the same time Marge's crusade is also mocked as being too simplistic. And the ending, rather then preaching one way or the other, basically just says "the issue of censorship and media influence on children is a complex one with many facets. Think about it" and lets the viewer decide. There are lots of other examples, like "Scenes from the class Struggle in Springfield", "The Cartridge Family", etc where they showed multiple sides and similarly ended with "think about it" endings.
One last thing: Groening may or may not be for social security. Keep in mind that he has probably contributed about ten things to The Simpsons since season 3 (okay, that's exxagerating...a little) and similarly doesn't exactly write every joke on Futurama either.
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Beamer
DOOP Secretary
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Still, there's no denying Futurama has plenty of social commentary - it's just a lot more subtle than the social commentary in The Simpsons.
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Sil
Professor
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If you listen to the audio commentary for SP3K, David Cohen and Matt Groening say something to the effect of:
DXC: "We decided if we wanted to do any sort of serious commentary on life to day, then the future had to have good and bad elements; it couldn't be a complete utopia or a total dystopia." MG: "Yeah, a total utopia or dystopia would get boring after a while."
Also says in the commentary for Birdbot of Ice-Catraz:
DXC: "Back when I was working there, one of the senior writers on the Simpsons told me that if you're going to do a thoughtful episode like this, it works much better if you give both sides a somewhat reasonable argument; like 'yeah, hunting could be beneficial if the animals are overpopulated and starving or whatever.'"
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DotheBartman
Liquid Emperor
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Originally posted by Lt. Kroker: I don't see how keeping focus makes for good satire. Having some funny Omicronian/Zapp scenes doesn't take from the message in any way. Also, it showed the hypocricy of both sides of the argument.
"Animals eat other animals. It's nature." "No it isn't. We taught a lion to eat tofu."
"8th Commandment" really didn't show both sides for me. It pretty much just said "Stealing is baaad. If you do it you'll go to HELL!" It just depends. There's nothing wrong with some side jokes, but MOST of your material needs to be related in some way to the main point for a full fledged satire to work to its fullest. Again, Problem with Popplers kept its focus fairly well, but most other episodes didn't. Basically, the point is that you need to keep a good focus up to make something truly thoughtful. Some quick side jokes (which was most of the satire on the show, for most episodes anyway) are nice but they don't get a person thinking in the way that "Itchy and Scratchy and Marge" etc, or "Godfellas" for that matter, does. So, by that token, some of the Zapp scenes were a tad excessive and just distracted from the main point too much, therefore distracting the viewer a tad from what hopefully otherwise got them thinking. And again, I never saw "8th Commandment" as being that one-sided. I guess it takes the "stealing cable is wrong" route or at least the "stealing cable might be wrong, so think about it" route. But I think they leave the religious aspects of it more or less open for debate, similar to "Godfellas" (an episode that could come off to many as preaching, but in the end doesn't entirely clarify if Bender was talking to "God" at all). Most or at least a good portion of the writers back then were athiests after all.
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