payn
Bending Unit
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« on: 08-11-2003 20:03 »
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... and why I'm glad it wasn't....
The more I look into the history of Fox, the more I'm sure that, if Groening and Cohen had gone to Fox and asked for help, the show would have averted cancellation, gotten a better timeslot, and even been advertised--but that it wouldn't have been nearly as good as show anymore.
I could go into examples from various Fox shows, but there's no better example than Ally McBeal.
Season 4: The ratings are in the toilet, and Fox is considering cancellation. David E. Kelley calls up and said, "Hey, guys, can you help me save my show?"
He asked for their creative input, and got it--along with a doubled advertising budget, big-name new stars (Robert Downey Jr. and Christina Ricci don't come cheap), and an all-out blitz to make sure everyone remembered Ally at awards time. Even after months of no return, they still kept throwing good money after bad--they even gave them a two-hour special with Matthew Perry as a guest star--before finally letting Kelley pull the plug himself after five seasons. (And giving him at least one new series, despite Boston Public's ratings going steadily downhill.)
All networks like to have as much creative control as possible, but Fox seems to be especially neurotic about it--their dream situation is to tell the creator, "You can do whatever you want," then have them come crawling back and say, "I want your help, because I truly respect your creatve input." That seems to be more important to them than even money.
If Groening and Cohen had done this--especially after demanding so vehemently that Fox stay out of their way--I think Fox would have had a sudden love affair with the show, and we'd be seeing it for another few years, possibly even at 8:30 on Sunday.
But Fox would have tampered with it--and, even worse, Groening and Cohen would have gotten frustrated and begun to disown the show (can you say "Simpsons" anyone?).
Would you want to watch a watered-down Futurama gradually dying over two or three years? Not me. I'm glad Groening is a crotchety, stubborn bastard.... But I'm wondering if everyone else would agree?
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User_names_suck
Professor
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i dunno a not so good futurama is better than no futurama but then maybe the cancellation will start matt working on other projects that would be better than the watered down futurama
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Red Dalek
Crustacean
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"i dunno a not so good futurama is better than no futurama"
No way - Futurama has to be excellent or gone. A rubbish Futurama would just be an insult to everyone who worked on it.
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bboynfuel
Crustacean
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Originally posted by ThreeDLou: I think the whole reason we all got into Futurama was that there was no room for shoddy workmanship. Loyalty to the show is because it doesn't pull punches or fear people's toes getting a good treading. Futurama may have died early but it is leaving a very beautiful corpse. That was the best post I have ever read.
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ataricat
Crustacean
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I'd rather hold out hope that Cartoon Network will pay for a few new good episodes than watch four more years of Futurama with the jokes dumbed down to make it more marketable.
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Allen
Professor
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On this subject, I kinda have to laugh. While it's true Fox didn't like being shut out creatively, we have to remember that "I, Roommate" was done according to Fox's specifications and everyone who has Season 1 on DVD knows what they thought of that.
Now, if they didn't like that episode, one wonders if control over Futurama could have saved it. I'm not sure honestly. If anything I think as long as it was on Fox, it was watered down. There are still rules about what's too taboo for TV, and they seem to be different for every station. Now, obviously the show got away with a lot, but it could have gotten away with more in my opinion.
Now, can it be watered down more? Sure. Would I have liked this to happen? Of course not. Could it have been saved? Not unless The Simpsons had been frozen instead. In Fox's eyes, it was doomed when they realized the skin pigment wasn't yellow.
I've said my two cents. Thank you.
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Tahair
Poppler
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actually, u can still catch Futurama on Cartoon network monday-thursday @11:30pm, only fox cancelled it.
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Jamesbondcja
Professor
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Yeh but they are not new episodes Tahir. They are just dumped Fox episodes.
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Otis P Jivefunk
DOOP Secretary
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Originally posted by Venus: i would rather have no futurama than a cheap watered down bastardization of it. I want more Futurama, of course, but i want it at the standard and quality that we're all used too. Exactly! And in IMO, things started to get a bit more patchy in Season 4, so I'm kinda glad it's ended on an overall high
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Anarchist
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As much as I want to go on a monstrous rampage every time someones says "it's good that the show ended because it was already going downhill", the one thing I do agree on is that there are worse fates than cancellation, and FOX would be very capable of subjecting Futurama to them.
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Teral
Helpy McHelphelp
DOOP Secretary
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Giving FOX creative control (or at least joint control) of the show might've saved it, but I'm glad Matt and David told them to stuff it. From the commentaries on "I, Roommate" is clear that even FOX didn't know what they wanted to do with the show. That episode was made following FOX' pointers almost to the letter, and they hated it. Jeez, way to be logic about things Alfa, Beta and Gamma. Matt (and I'm sure David agreed) told them; "we're doing this my way". FOX: "We don't like the sound of that". Matt: "That's just too bad. Now get out of my office". As a result we have 72 wonderful episodes (although I'm not too sure about "A Pharaoh To Remember" ) to cheerish, and not some FOX bastard grinding along year after year (no, this is not a reference to The Simpsons, I'm making a point here). oops, I just realised I'm simply echoing every single post already made in this thread. I'll shut up now. </rant>
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Allen
Professor
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Originally posted by Garbage Picker: Maybe Matt was secretly tired of the show (doubtful, but maybe).
Um, I'd have to say no to that.
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zoidyzoid
Professor
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Originally posted by User_names_suck: a not so good futurama is better than no futurama
Are you sure about that? I think a lot of people (like me) would disagree with you on that point.
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SpaceCase
Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #24 on: 08-16-2003 13:55 »
« Last Edit on: 08-24-2008 13:02 »
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Originally posted by User_names_suck: a not so good futurama is better than no futurama Originally posted by zoidyzoid: Are you sure about that? I think a lot of people (like me) would disagree with you on that point. Any Futurama is better than no Futurama (it's that whole 'division by zero' thing). I've said it before, I'll say it again: If, by some miracle, CN (for example only) produces new Futurama ep's, I'LL WATCH THEM! Having said that: Whether or not I keep watching them depends on the quality of the show. Okay, I'll shut up now...
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