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Evil Fox Exec
Bending Unit
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« Reply #81 on: 07-17-2003 09:17 »
« Last Edit on: 07-17-2003 09:17 »
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Well, I still move that in the ratio of good eps to bad eps, 4acv is much worse that 1acv, 2acv, and 3acv combined. I do not believe either, that the worst Futurama episodes (IMHO, of course) are better than the current Simpsons episodes. They're just as bad. But, again, we'll never know if this is a continuing streak. I don't know for sure if Futurama would've jumped the shark or not, and we'll never know that. Remember people, all the above is just my opinion. For whatever reason, much of 4acv didn't appeal to me.
Anyway, I sure hope Fry and Leela get together in the last ep. After all, now that Futurama has been cancelled by Gail "Bastard" Berman, the relationshipship will not cause Futurama to jump the shark, because there wouldn't be anymore Futurama episodes anyway!
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FishyJoe
Honorary German
Urban Legend
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People are being way too harsh on 4acv. I hate to sound like a lame-o fanboy in denial, but it wasn't that bad.
Somewhere in 3acv, the show lost it's great dialogue. 2acv had such great rhythm...since then, though the jokes are still good, and the plots are even better, it doesn't seem to flow as smoothly as before.
But still, 4acv has been spread out so slowly over the past couple of years, it's difficult to see it as one complete season. I was "eh" on a lot of 3acv episodes, but rewatching them on Cartoon Network has given me a new appreciation for them. Futurestock went from one of my least favorites, to one of my favorites.
Jumping the shark is supposed to be the "point of no return"...but 4acv had some great episodes. I think the writers could get back their previous level of consistency, if they had another season.
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Wonderbee31
Starship Captain
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« Reply #92 on: 07-17-2003 15:13 »
« Last Edit on: 07-17-2003 15:13 »
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For aussie dude, the phrase jumping the shark does come from that Happy Days episode, where Fonzie and the gang go out to California for a vacation?, and Fonz takes a dare to put on some water skis and he has to jump this ramp with them, and there was supposed to have been a shark that swam around the ramp, increasing the "danger". Well, Fonzie jumps it, and there was much celebrating. Yay. The next few seasons though, it was percieved that the show was starting to run down, with cast members leaving, and the storylines getting stale. So eventually, it became known as jumping the shark, when a TV show reached a point where it was starting to become more of a shadow of it's former glory. I guess you could say the same about movies as well, as I've seen several long running movie series that sure aren't as good as their earlier parts. SW, anyone? That being said, I still think that Futurama had a few good years in it, and was not nearly ready to jump the shark yet. Even with a Fry/Leela romance, I think that the writers and actors could have pulled it off for a while longer.
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zb
Crustacean
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This thread is important enough to make me register...
Regardless of wether or not the show was going downhill, I find it rather nice to know that it is finite. It has a beginning and an end, and when it is done, I will say "It's been grand" and move on. I have gotten a lot of enjoyment out of Futurama over the years, but after "Devil's Hands," it will be very satisfying to be able to look at the show as a complete work. I am confronting my usual desire that things last forever? it's better to realize that the world about change.
So, although I think that Futurama could have had another few funny seasons, I am very happy to appreciate it as-is, and skip the discussion of what might have been.
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DrewCycle
Crustacean
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I can accept the possibility that this is the end of Futurama, but that doesn't mean that it is or that it has to be. Reports of the fat lady singing may be exaggerated. Where are the dreamers amongst us? I was amazed how fast I was shot down for trying to imagine what it would take for it to continue - I KNOW there are infinite possibilities, that you can never know what will happen.
I too am sad that Fox has stopped something that I thought was beautiful and wonderful. Saying that something ending is good because it was good when it ended seems upside down to me - it sounds like trying to convince oneself its for the best, chin up and all that, to relenquish possibility to keep from being disappointed. The show has gone places I never saw coming, with some really amazingly touching episodes and such scathing social commentary (which is why I think Fox wanted it off their airwaves - too iconoclastic for their hyper-conservative tastes).
And I LIKED the episode where Kif gets knocked up.
I'd rather have more episodes produced and let ME choose what I think of them, rather than predict it just would have gone downhill. That seems defeatist and no amount of evidence that is based on things in the past can convince me otherwise. Even now there could be some chain of events seemingly unrelated which could yield more episodes. ANYTHING is possible, however improbable it might seem from some perspectives. And all of our thoughts and words and actions however seemingly insignificant may play a role.
And if it does end here, I am so grateful for what has been created.
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M Jackson
Professor
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OK right I haven't read this whole thread, so I don't know if somebody has already said this. I have to say that i'm truely shocked that some of you are even thinking that Production Season 4 isn't as good as the first three. Infact it is easily the BEST! Every single episode (and I really mean that) can rank as one of the all time greats! Or if every episode (all 72) were ranked, then all of Season 4's episodes would be in the top half of the list. I love Season 4 it's my favourite. Futurama is NOWHERE near 'Jumping the Shark"!, it had many years of life left in it!
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Anarchist
Professor
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Well said, DrewCycle, although you haven't really said anything new. (Oh, and for the record, I agree with you about 4ACV.) As for where the dreamers are - we're still here, it's just that we're a bit difficult to see right now. I like to be realistic rather than blatantly setting myself up for more disappointment, but I and several others have a dream of continuing Futurama ourselves (fan-made "virtual seasons" ), and things are very much looking up on that front. We can't have everything, but we can and WILL have something. "Futurama" is bigger than the episodes alone - look at the fan community; look at the fan-created work; look at the comics. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: we're not going anywhere.
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Metdude
Delivery Boy
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Personally, I think all 5 seasons of the show have been pretty consistent. Sure, there are some episodes I don't really like but they don't affect the overall quality of the season they are in. I hope Devil's Hands ends with Fry and Leela getting together. I guess I'm a sucker for a happy ending. The Why Of Fry would also have been a good way to end the show.
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Futurama_Hil
Urban Legend
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yes, all seasons were great, and even the worst episodes of futurama are better than almost anything else on tv. there's not one ep i wouldn't want to see given the oppurtunity.
everyone i know or who i've talked to about futurama likes it- everyone seems to like it except fox. i, roommate wasn't the best episode, but how could you not love it!? i don't get fox-it may not be for a while, but one day when all their good shows (only malcom, simpsons, futurama) are gone, all their crappy stuff will soon lose people's interests after they do the same thing over and over again (think reality tv). who knows what kind of tv people will watch in the future, but lemme tell ya something: they all die out- they're, you could say, fads. but there's always some people who enjoy it still and don't leave it. in this case, i think it's safe to say we all like comedy shows, after all, that's what futurama is, we still watch them, or at least i do (you know, cn kinda stuff). maybe one day one of those comedy fans will start a succesful television company and get quality shows, like futurama. thank you and goodnight.
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