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Australian Guy
Liquid Emperor
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Did anyone see that Hilarious article on somethingawful ages ago. About who was going to take over the presidency of the RIAA?
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Killerfox
Professor
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I totally feel that NOW (I mean for cancelled shows) its 100% right.
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DotheBartman
Liquid Emperor
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Eh...I don't think anyone in the US has any kind of excuse (unless they can't afford the dvds, but as someone else said, why are they then paying for broadband?). It may be cancelled, but it also runs four to five nights on cartoon network and at times TBS, and you can buy dvds. This isn't some totally obscure, three episode show that will never be seen again aside from old home videotapes and internet downloads. This show lasted 72 episodes and is still on the airwaves all the time. Not to say Fox doesn't suck for canning the show, but its not exactly helping the creators of the show get it running again when people are illegally downloading it (sure, some people might be turned onto the show via downloads, but most people, as in people who aren't absolute fanatics and don't post at PEEL, would probably rather stick with their downloads rather then buy the dvds).
That said, my stance is more leniant regarding other countries, since its so hard to in some of them. Same reason I'm okay with shows being pirated that aren't still on the air in some way. If you legitimately can't get the show anywhere else then I think its fine. Its when the show is as easily obtainable as it is now for US viewers that I have to wonder about it.
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Beamer
DOOP Secretary
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I download the episodes, and I still watch them when they come on TV and buy the DVD's. I don't see how what I'm doing is hurting anyone.
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Beamer
DOOP Secretary
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Well, I bought the Season 1 DVD from Harvey Norman a few months ago. My parents have already bought the Season 2 DVD as a Christmas present for me, and they've already pre-ordered Season 3.
Anyway, my point is that downloading episodes really only hurts people if that's the only time you ever watch the show. But I still watch the show on TV and DVD on a regular basis, therefore I can't see how me downloading episodes is hurting anyone.
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Gleno
Liquid Emperor
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Originally posted by DotheBartman: Its not. But I imagine a lot of people who download episodes don't buy the dvds and maybe don't watch the episodes on tv (I know that if I ever have a way of watching a show without commercials, like on tape or dvd, I wont watch it with commercials on tv) either. This board is made up of hardcore fans who care enough to buy the dvds, but that's not neccasarily a representation of the majority of downloaders. That's exactly it, I mean for starters 99% of the people who post here are obviously hardcore fans, why else would you keep posting here....? The people who only watch the show casually if it's on and then downlaod eps for their own use aren't really doing anything wrong either.... My situation is this, I have never downloaded an ep for the simple reason I don't know where to get them from (nor am I asking) as long as I get all 4 seasons on dvd, even if it takes another year I don't care....I have no need to download them, even though I'd love to see the ones I've missed and not seen yet, (or may never see) Especially now the show is cancelled, I don't think there's anything wrong with it, all the money to be made off the show being on TV has been made (except in places where new eps are yet to be shown) and as for the dvd's, people are going to buy them whether they download or not.... Phew....
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Anarchist
Professor
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There's a huge difference between "illegal" and "wrong", and I only obide by the laws that coincide with my personal code of ethics. That's all I'll say on the subject.
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Beamer
DOOP Secretary
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The majority of downloadable episodes are just ripped from TV anyway. Therefore, you'd assume most people would actually tune in to watch it instead of taking a "I don't need to watch it, I'll just download it" attitude, so I doubt the ratings take much of a blow due to downloading.
Pretty much everyone who downloads episodes would like the show anyway, so you'd imagine that roughly 95% or so people who download the episodes would have watched them on TV anyway, so it would still give the show ratings. The DVD sales would really only come from hardcore fans - and most hardcore fans would buy the DVDs reguardless of whether they had already downloaded the episodes or not. I know I did.
Basically, although there are a few bad eggs out there - one would assume that the majority of episode downloaders would still watch the show anyway, and you'd also assume that some of the downloaders would buy the DVD's too. Although downloading episodes can harm the show when it's done by the wrong person, the "wrong person" really is a small minority.
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maraxus
Crustacean
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"Downloading episodes is illegal", "You are hurtin the sales of the dvds", "Fox doesnt get the money they deserve"... Who Cares?? the show is most probably dead anyways. I downloaded all the eps when there were no dvds yet and now they are gone from my HD but i saved them in 15 cds and pass them around my friends, now i have the first 2 dvd series.(btw i dont live in the US)
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Teral
Helpy McHelphelp
DOOP Secretary
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Originally posted by dr.bender nye: Downlading episodes is purly fine.those 2 people that belive it's illegal Funny thing is, according to current legislation it is illegal. No matter how you twist and turn, it's a violation of copyright. So it's not something those two people believe, it's a fact. and stick by the law are wimps Obeying the law is for wimps?
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BigBen
Crustacean
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Fine just fine fine just fine, fine
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SonicPanther
Professor
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Fine if you have, or plan on buying, the DVD's.
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