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heyumugs
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Every time I watch The Sting, my eyes tear up. The same goes for Leela's Homeworld. The scene in Love and Rocket where Fry gives Leela his oxygen. When Fry moves the stars for Leela in Time keeps on Slipping (Not sure if I got the title right). The Luck of the Fryish..so many other moments.
It's remarkable that an edgey, in-your-face, and sometimes dark comedy can be this emotionally rich and deep. Absolutely brilliant.
When the show returns to TV (have faith!) I hope there are many more episodes and moments like these - they just weren't there in the movies. The final scene where Leela tells Fry she loves him seemed obligatory, just in case this is truly it for Futurama. That moment and everything leading up to it should have been so much more poignant.
Damn, I sound pretty wimpy! I think I'll knock out some push-ups, down a few brewskies, work on my car,... Ah, who am I kidding? I should pass gas and go to sleep.
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Ralph Snart
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I've cried over many futurama episodes..
the devils hands are idle playthings, jurassic bark, luck of the fryish, time keeps on slipping, Leela's homeworld.. and probably some i can't remember.
Bree
It's a pity that Bender's Big Score fucked them all over. they no longer have any sort of emotional impact. If anybody can watch Jurassic Bark or Luck of the Fryish and not have a moist eye at the end, then that person has no heart. Then to start the movies off with no explanation of what happened at the end of Devil's Hands had to be the most ham-handed use of the hated reset button ever.
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FistfulOAwesome
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« Reply #363 on: 05-01-2009 22:24 »
« Last Edit on: 05-01-2009 23:02 »
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I'd say Beast not continuing anything but the anomaly from Score (despite taking place a month after Score) is an even more ham-handed reset. There is even a deleted scene with Bender chastising the Narrator for ignoring the rest of Score in his "Last Time" recap and the Narrator (read: writers) shrugging it off. Let's not forget DXC apparently thinking that Futurama fans have goldfish length memories when he says that they were worried that fans would have a fit over that but shrugging it off since it would have been 8 real time months over the releases of the movies anyway. Here is a link to a list I made of all the character resets Beast made (which are just as bad as plot resets)- http://www.peelified.com/index.php?topic=17266.msg1021948#msg1021948
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Svip
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I like the time travel in BBS, because for once I am watching time travel not trying to take itself seriously. Usually when that happens, you end up with contradictions that people are going to burst up and notice. But in this case, the contradiction are fixed before it occurs, because the contradictions will occur, I mean, it's time travel.
The "paradox-correcting" part was pretty much a joke on the common issues of time travel, but even DXC admitted on the commentary that, since they are sci-fi fans, they could not really accept it themselves entirely, so they tried to make it somewhat more consistent.
But do not take Nibbler's words too literally, I think that is your problem. Nibbler does mention that even a little usage of the time sphere could lead to catastrophe, but that doesn't necessarily make that correct. It is all about a warning about overusing it.
The paradox duplicates works as a brilliant plot device. And in fact, the "doomed" concept is super easy for audience to understand. In my experience, this film wasn't difficult to follow - at least not if you were paying attention - so I have not understood that criticism.
I agree, that real time travel would have them vanish or create an alternative timeline. Or my preferred version; time travel cannot occur.
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speedracer
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« Reply #367 on: 05-02-2009 19:09 »
« Last Edit on: 05-02-2009 19:12 »
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BBS's use of time travel actually annoys me greatly. The whole paradox correcting timecode doesn't really make sense. Nibbler mentioned that if they use the time code even a few times it would irreparably damage the universe but by the end of the movie they use it hundreds of times before any universe damaging effects take place (the rift (which I add is not damaging the universe at all and is easily repaired). Plus why do the paradox copies continue existing but are merely killed or destroyed? That doesn't stop the paradox since the materials still exist out of nowhere. They should have blinked out of existence.
Some people thought that the use of time travel made the movie hard to follow but I actually think that it was its version of time travel that made it difficult. The paradox correcting allows them (the writers) to literally do anything and if it doesn't make sense they wave their hands and say "Whoosh, Paradox-Correcting". Unlike the previous time travel devices used in the show, the PCT (Paradox-Correcting Timecode) is annoyingly lacking in consistency or logic.
I submit that time-travel paradoxes are allowed to exist by some analogue of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. It states, among other things, that violations of conservation of energy (resp. paradoxicality) can occur in quantum systems for very short periods of time. Here, 1000 years qualifies as a very short period of time, and entire human beings qualify as quantum systems. What, you don't buy it? Well, I tried.
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heyumugs
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Since the reset button is pushed due to the time anomaly at the end of BBS, does that mean the tv series was essentially wiped out from any of the characters memories? Leela has no recollection that Fry waited by her bedside in The Sting or that he gave up his oxygen to her in Love and Rocket?
If this is the case, what the blank was DXC thinking?
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Svip
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What?! I don't think anyone is suggesting they have rebooted the entire show like that. I think only the Fry-Leela relationship was slightly reset, but I don't think the original run is forgotten. I mean, if that is supposed to be true, how can they remember the tale of Vergon 6 in Bender's Game?
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Gorky
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Yeah, I've always thought of the reset button as more of an abstraction, not something tangible that's written into the show. As DXC mentions in the commentary for TBWaBB, they were consciously aware of resetting the Fry/Leela aspect of, at least, BBS (and, depending on your interpretation, BBS was a reset of "The Devil's Hands Are Idle Playthings"); he says that they recognized it was a bit out-of-character for Fry to be dating Colleen, after the whole Lars saga, but that they basically shrugged it off. Other than that, I don't think there was any intentional resetting done (especially when you consider the ending of ItWGY).
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Svip
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Oh, that reset button. I don't mind the reset button being used for the purpose of telling a new story. But the reset button should never interfere with an ongoing story (which is the main reason I don't like the B Title Films).
Three of the films contains the letter B. Huh huh!? You only liked one of them? Considering that English usually don't contain a lot of Bs, I would actually have to applaud the writers for that many Bs.
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Gorky
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Plus, two of the movies have B alliteration: "Bender's Big Score" and "The Beast With a Billion Backs". That's good writing, my friend.
Topic: Yeah, the reset button is pretty annoying. But I thoroughly enjoyed the first, second, and fourth movies regardless of lapses in continuity (and even BG wasn't god-awful). To paraphrase Leela: They may have made a few missteps as far as the ship goes, and as far as characterization goes--but at least we got a few mildly interesting stories out of it.
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Svip
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It's cool that there are still people on these boards who are interested in discussing the show itself.
Wait a minute, I was under the impression that was what we did! Even when we're not! I mean, isn't this sort of what this topic is about?
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Gorky
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It's cool that there are still people on these boards who are interested in discussing the show itself.
Wait a minute, I was under the impression that was what we did! Even when we're not!
I mean, isn't this sort of what this topic is about?
Ostensibly. I just meant that the on-topic boards are usually pretty dead when compared to the off-topic ones. I like when new members kind of revitalize the discussion, because I'm so nerdily obsessive and willing to debate with 'em.
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Svip
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Unfortunately, Futurama is not alive and kickin'. I was scouting the Madhouse here again (since I host them now, I do that slightly often), and from what I gather, there used to be several hundred Futurama websites in the early days of the show. Back when the Internet and the show was new.
But now... only those would had something else to offer or just hardcore fans stayed behind.
This is also the reason why Futurama will do better as a TV show as anything else. Followings of films are a lot harder to keep active than a TV show. I have made my research in fandom, Miss Gorky.
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Ralph Snart
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I freely admit to loving the ending to Jurrassic Bark even if it was sad. I love animals and have had a couple who have stayed by my side through thick and thin. I grieved when they died.
Luck Of The Fryish means a lot to me on a deeper level. In 1971 my brother was killed by a land mine in Viet Nam. The last time I saw him, he gave me his .30-06 Savage hunting rifle. He told me to practice because he was taking me deer hunting when he came back. (I still have that rifle. Next to my first wife's guitar, it 's my most cherished possession.)
I worshipped him - he could do no wrong in my eyes, then he was gone. It wasn't until I visited my mother in 2004 (a year before she died) that he often told her and my dad that I was the person in the family who would do well in the world.
If the series comes back, I hope it's a case where they can catch lightning in a bottle twice.
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EliasJ
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5. When Fry spells out I love you, in the star's and the black hole sucks them up. 4. When Fry get's killed by the giant bee. 3. When Hermes saves Bender. 2. When Seemore wait's for fry. 1. When Fry's brother name's his son after fry, do you agree or do you have any other suggestions.
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Scrappylive
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I would rank Seymour as #1, but maybe that is just because I am definitely a dog person and not so much a people person. I would also add the part from Ghost in the Machines where Bender realizes he really cares about Fry and starts to miss him. Especially the part where Bender, as a ghost, hugs Fry who can't hear, feel, or see him, and Fry just walks off completely unaware. Also... Welcome to PEEL, Elias!
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EliasJ
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Thank's for your opinion and thank's again.
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DannyJC13
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1. The reveal that Lars is Fry in Bender's Big Score
That really hit me when I first saw it, and it was the point where I realised that I had to get into this amazing show. I have the song (30 Century Man by The Jigsaw Seen) on my iPod too. 3 versions in fact (it's the entire EP), including the Futurama version. The cover is dedicated to BBS too.
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TheMadCapper
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Only one Futurama scene has ever made me leak liquid from the corner of my eyes. Here it is:
The ending of Jurassic Bark (before they retconned it with Lars).
Another thing that makes me sad is when people misuse apostrophes.
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Tachyon
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Moments in "The Sting", "Leela's Homeworld", and "Jurassic Bark" come readily to mind.
<snif>
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DannyJC13
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There's something slightly touching about the scene where Fry looks at the lake in SP3 and it cuts back to the 20th century where he is skating with Michelle, then we cut back and it's all destroyed and dark. Also, the mutant/alien octopus thing is in there too.
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vermilion fox
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The ending of Leela's Homeworld still makes me tear up so I just tend not to watch it...
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