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« #367 : 08-10-2013 02:50 »
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I want to argue that a bit
What about in the "The Why of Fry" the line where he actually had a tear coming down when he said "but it was my life" That line shows that he is upset that his life was disrupted and he did feel sad for himself
Yes. But Fry has said on many occasions that his friends and family ARE his life, so technically he feels sad (ok, maybe for himself, but because he would miss his friends.) I'm not saying he's not sensitive and emotional, but he's not whiny.
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« #370 : 08-10-2013 06:00 »
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What? I think Fry has always been whiny. Since Season 1. There's really no big difference with Fry's whininess. It's always been the same.
He didn't burst in tears for hardly any reason in the first run. E.g. the Christmas episode: While Leela ran away crying for having no one thinking of her, Fry's reaction was just a rather grumpy "Hey...how about a little sympathy here". Also, sadness was reserved for much bigger themes. It was usually Fry getting hit by the saddest themes, things that would have gotten everyone down ((TLOTF: Seeing how the whole life could have been. TWOF: Suddenly confronted with he choice of sacfificing himself or loosing Leela.). Yet, there was usually just a sad look, a single tear running down the face, and often some determination to still change a bit about that (A quest to get the clover to make his life better, etc...). Overclockwise featured a "I have a problem...I gonna kill myself" crying, passive char. Little problem, no action, but big drama and tears. That does not make that character likeable TKOS showed a much better way to handle such a theme: Fry did not sit there and cry about not getting Leela. He tried to change the situation by learning to master the ship, and having the idea to move the stars. Only when these (rather impressive and touching) efforts turned out to be for nothing, THEN Fry was sad. The story showed a character doing everything he could, doing more than most other people would. Those endeavours STILL leading to no avail gave the story tragic and sadness. A failure where basically no failure was deserved. Imagine TKOS with the new, whiny version "Leela, will you got out with me". "No". "Waaah...I'll kill myself". It would not have been touching, sad or tragic. It's just some loser who -upon the first problem- already gives up and feels sorry for himself.
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« #373 : 08-10-2013 15:17 »
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What? I think Fry has always been whiny. Since Season 1. There's really no big difference with Fry's whininess. It's always been the same.
He didn't burst in tears for hardly any reason in the first run. E.g. the Christmas episode: While Leela ran away crying for having no one thinking of her, Fry's reaction was just a rather grumpy "Hey...how about a little sympathy here". Also, sadness was reserved for much bigger themes. It was usually Fry getting hit by the saddest themes, things that would have gotten everyone down ((TLOTF: Seeing how the whole life could have been. TWOF: Suddenly confronted with he choice of sacfificing himself or loosing Leela.). Yet, there was usually just a sad look, a single tear running down the face, and often some determination to still change a bit about that (A quest to get the clover to make his life better, etc...).
Overclockwise featured a "I have a problem...I gonna kill myself" crying, passive char. Little problem, no action, but big drama and tears. That does not make that character likeable
TKOS showed a much better way to handle such a theme: Fry did not sit there and cry about not getting Leela. He tried to change the situation by learning to master the ship, and having the idea to move the stars. Only when these (rather impressive and touching) efforts turned out to be for nothing, THEN Fry was sad. The story showed a character doing everything he could, doing more than most other people would. Those endeavours STILL leading to no avail gave the story tragic and sadness. A failure where basically no failure was deserved.
Imagine TKOS with the new, whiny version "Leela, will you got out with me". "No". "Waaah...I'll kill myself". It would not have been touching, sad or tragic. It's just some loser who -upon the first problem- already gives up and feels sorry for himself.
When I meant he's whiny, I mean him complaining just too much. And it most certainly has been there throughout the entire series. I never mentioned anything about him crying. He's barely done it in the series. In Overclockwise, him just doing the "I have a problem...I gonna kill myself" thing was incredibly stupid. It seems too Family Guy-ish. And that's just one thing out of many that makes me hate that episode. I mean Leela leaving for pretty much no raisin was incredibly dumb too. It's definitely the worst finale ep, and maybe the shows bottom 20. I still enjoy it, but only for the Overclocking Bender. The Fry-Leela stuff was just poor. Very poor. Plus, Overclockwise is pretty much the only episode we've seen where Fry would even be whiny like the "I have a problem...I gonna kill myself" arc. I do not recall any episode where that could be seen. Except for the preview I saw for Meanwhile. Which really bothers me too. Hopefully he does it better somehow.
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« #374 : 08-10-2013 18:46 »
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Inquisitor Hein,stole the words from my mouth! Because it's exactly what I think about Fry actually.
In the original run (and part of season 6) when he had a problem well,he cried about it but at least he tried to find a solution in the process and that is my huge complain now ,He only whines about Leela (and sometimes Bender) and Overclockwise it's the perfect example, was indeed really stupid.
And another issue that really worries me, is not only the writers shows him as a crybaby....they show him as a STUPID crybaby. Fry used to be clueless because,well he was new in the future,but come on! actually he more or less knows what is going on, why make him more stupidier? (for example the M joke in Calculon 2.0,was really dumb).
I know,Fry is such a sensitive guy with a good heart, why people must confuse it as a sign of idiocy? Another reason of why I think that Freela's relationship is really weak and bad written ACTUALLY, Fry does EVERYTHING for Leela, and what does Leela? Nothing.
I just noticed something in "Leela and the Genestalk" ,Fry (and the whole Freela thing) was really well written (besides the beans part,but as I said before, it's important for the plot) because Fry not only was worried because he wanted to impress Leela,he did what was right! something that anyone would do too.
And then that reminded me to "The Mutants Are Revolting" when Fry was a mutant, what was Leela's reaction? She didn't even want to share the same air with him at first. isn't that unfair? I don't know why the writers are so good with Leela but they show the worst of Fry.
Anyways I haven't seen that Meanwhile's preview because I don't want to ruin the surprise for myself but hopefully I hope more than a "Fry/Leela episode only" because,the show is named Futurama, not Freela's Show.
And about next week's episode! Wow I was wrong about Rowe,he is actually a good writter after all.
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« #379 : 08-13-2013 04:52 »
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I think Game of Tones will be pretty good I actully liked the animatic that we got from it and it made me laugh so I don't think it will be bad
it should be the futurama/simpsons crossover we should be more worried about
And I saw it, too. It looks very promising. More precisely the scenes of Fry's past (or his dream...?). If Mike does manage to fuck it up though, I will hate him. As much as I previously posted I would. Also, this is my 666th post, eh?
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« #380 : 08-13-2013 04:59 »
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If Game of Tones sucks, I will hate Micheal Rowe. I will never forgive him for ruining such a good premise. For as long as I live. I will make him rue the day he became a Futurama writer.
All a writing credit signifies is who penned the original draft. Futurama is still primarily group written. it should be the futurama/simpsons crossover we should be more worried about
No we shouldn't, it's not even happening on Futurama.
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« #383 : 08-13-2013 15:26 »
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No, not really.
Stories get rewritten. For that matter, it's completely common practice for stories to be completely hashed out (through a "treatment," or some other stage before the actual first script draft) before then being given to a writer to draft the first script of. As well, scripts themselves are often written mostly by the group and then assigned to whichever writer based on whatever reason (say, they happened to pitch the synopsis initially).
Writing credits are an interesting curiosity, but anyone with any real familiarity with television writing will tell you that they mean substantially less than, say, 90 of PEEL seems to think they do.
Also, even if Mike Rowe wrote every last second of his credited episodes (which he didn't), Jesus, get a grip Solid Snake. He's a writer on some TV episodes you didn't like; he didn't kill your mom.
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« #384 : 08-13-2013 16:01 »
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But it's still from the same creator
Uhhh, so? These shows have at least a dozen different writers staffed on at any given time. And even if that wasn't the case: Different cast, different setting, different premise, and both shows have been going long enough to distinguish themselves from one another and carve out their own distinct style. Futurama stopped being known as "that other Matt Groening show" a long time ago. And, by all accounts, Groening's involvement in both is quite minimal (certainly less so than David X Cohen and Al Jean would have at the moment). Regardless: IT'S NOT AIRING ON FUTURAMA!!! If this thing is shit, it winds up being "another bad Simpsons episode." Who gives a shit? Case closed.
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« #388 : 08-14-2013 01:24 »
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Notice that 7b is gets darker as it go on? The last four seem REALLY dark
Game of Tones, yes. Muder on the Planet Express-yes and no. It looks dark, but I'm sure it won't be. Stench and Stenchibility-looks dramatic, but not dark. Meanwhile-Hearing the first act and hearing about the second, yes, but we all know about the happy ending. And I do agree with Snrub about some of the best ones being kind of dark.
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« #389 : 08-14-2013 13:27 »
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Notice that 7b is gets darker as it go on? The last four seem REALLY dark
Game of Tones, yes. Muder on the Planet Express-yes and no. It looks dark, but I'm sure it won't be. Stench and Stenchibility-looks dramatic, but not dark. Meanwhile-Hearing the first act and hearing about the second, yes, but we all know about the happy ending.
And I do agree with Snrub about some of the best ones being kind of dark.
goT, EXACTLY MoTPE, will be dark IMO S&S, Agreed Meanwhile, Who knows the end is good?
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